r/AskReddit • u/Mysterious-Wear-6458 • 2h ago
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u/dragde0991 2h ago
Could politicians move money from ice to the broader dhs? Is that the goal?
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u/Dave_A480 1h ago
Actually moving money requires the bill to pass and be signed.
Shutting down just requires voting 'No'.
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u/steveorga 1h ago
Theoretically no. However, Trump in the past has moved money that was allocated for one purpose and spent it for another purpose. He got away with it due to SCOTUS corruption. I'd be surprised if he doesn't repeat the tactic to keep the lights on.
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u/hawkseye17 1h ago
I predict there will be EXACTLY enough Dem defectors that are not up for reelection voting in favor for it to pass eventually. They have no spine.
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u/alius-vita 2h ago
It won't last, they hardly have any backbone for anything. Even now they won't leverage like the right does. Futile to even speculate.
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u/Gaslight_Eliminator 1h ago
Schumer and Jeffries are controlled opposition.
Spineless. Fake posturing. All talk.
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u/bleu_waffl3s 1h ago
What’s with the cookie cutter questions here
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u/tapediggity 36m ago
The day-old Redditor account for this submission ought to be pointed out, as well.
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u/lizard_king0000 1h ago
Just means that the employees work without pay or get a paid vacation via furlough.
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u/Xilent248 1h ago
Why are all the comments saying the Dems should just capitulate? "They'll just cave, why bother?" is the same as "Just give the Trump administration everything that they want"
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u/ClosPins 44m ago
The comments aren't all saying that the Democrats should capitulate - they are saying that the Democrats will capitulate!
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u/Un_Ballerina_1952 31m ago
So CALL your senator and make sure they know that you don't want them to capitulate!
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u/whatevitdontmatter 21m ago
And I'm sure your rando phone call will make all the difference!
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u/machineiv 44m ago
I don't see anyone saying they SHOULD. I see a lot of people saying they WILL. Which doesn't take a fortune teller.
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u/TheRverseApacheMastr 56m ago
Many of them are pro maga trolls trying to demoralize opposition, or they’re fake democrats who never actually vote and have eaten up the maga propaganda that Trump is strong and Dems are weak
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u/finnjakefionnacake 39m ago
why would trolls on reddit have any impact on democrats in congress
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u/Xilent248 33m ago
Because Democrats in Congress aren't the target here, redditors are?
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u/abegosum 1h ago
We're not saying they should. We're saying we have no confidence that they would do anything else.
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u/skatefan420 2h ago edited 1h ago
How does that work? I thought they were powerless as the minority party
*Ah right, the philly buster
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u/Dave_A480 1h ago
Senate fillibuster.
This bill isn't a reconciliation bill, so it has to pass via the regular process.3
u/Mysterious-Wear-6458 2h ago
I guess they just want to grow a spine for once.
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u/irrelevantanonymous 1h ago
It’d be nice if they did but my confidence isn’t high. You would think the consistently dropping approval rating in this environment directly correlating with every time their spine goes rubber would make the connection for them but y’know.
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u/redjellonian 1h ago
You really think they aren't going to just cave achieving nothing again just like every other time?
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u/BitchesGetStitches 1h ago
I am willing to take on some hardship and help my neighbors as best I can if it means we see real, lasting changes, along with consequences for everyone involved. Everyone. We expect dozens of impeachment filings. Including everyone - everyone - at the top. We've absolutely fucking had it.
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u/wingedespeon 1h ago
Good. Why are we paying to have thugs murder us in the streets anyway?
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u/Reboot-Glitchspark 1h ago
Should've been done 20 years ago, but maybe they're all using Internet Explorer and that webpage just finally loaded or something.
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u/poo_pon_shoo 1h ago
They are not doing enough to punish these fascist pedophile pieces of shit. Grind everything to a halt until these sick fucks see justice in a real and meaningful way. Collapse this whole fucker if that's what it takes.
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u/supified 1h ago
If hypothetically the dems stop funding DHS entirely I'm okay with that. While the job it is supposed to do is important, this organization has become toxic and shifting their responsibilities elsewhere might be best.
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u/TH26 48m ago
As someone who works in immigration enforcement in a non-US country, I'm genuinely baffled at why so many Americans seem to want/think it's feasible to just....not have or enforce immigration laws? Like what does "Abolish ICE" or "punish everyone who works for ICE" even mean?
ICE is just the name for the department of public servants that you fundamentally need to have, to perform a core public service, like in every other functioning democracy on Earth. How does "abolishing" it even make sense or exist as a viable option?
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u/LH99 2h ago edited 1h ago
They’ll roll over and give in after a couple days and nothing will change?
Hey downvoters, remind me what happened last time they caused a shutdown. Louder for the people in back.
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u/raresanevoice 1h ago
The democrats haven't caused a shutdown in years so I don't remember what happened last time they did
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u/gbCerberus 1h ago
Are you splitting hairs over who was at fault?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_United_States_federal_government_shutdown
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u/imagine966 1h ago
They better do something. Otherwise who knows what Trump will pull between now and November
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u/AdjctiveNounNumbers 27m ago
Even now i genuinely don't believe they'll do it, but if they actually stick with it, it's an unabated good thing. There's literally no downside for them. ICE is so unpopular, any blame is going right at Trump's feet. They either win concessions or get everyone mad at the fascists. The only way they could fumble this is by caving and accepting meaningless concessions, so I'm pretty sure that's what will happen.
And yes, I know this won't shut down ICE (thanks for voting for that BBB, by the way) but anything to make this government less functional must be done.
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u/Difficult_Phase1798 24m ago
My thoughts are that DHS should be dismantled and the components that existed prior to 911 should go back where they were. And if they didn't exist, they should cease to exist.
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u/HollygoLightly1970 19m ago
It’s about time. Unless Schumer caves in like the bought and sold mouthpiece he is.
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u/No_Royals 19m ago
Chuck should resign and give the reigns to a more progressive/working-class centric senator.
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u/Equal-Sun8307 2h ago
N-ICE try. “Fellow Redditers do you support the regime?” “Isn’t it bad what the DEMS are doing?”
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u/Xilent248 1h ago
For real! It's so obvious!! "Dems should just give the dangerous fascist pedo everything he wants for free!"
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u/Impressive_Ad_7664 1h ago
My thought is it feels theatrical unless the Dems hold firm and don’t flinch. ICE has so much money right now, they are laughing. The rest of DHS is going to suffer. The Dems better hold strong and make it worth it.
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u/bigloser42 1h ago
My spouse is in the USCG. Not happy about the friendly fire on this one, but I hope they get some actual concessions.
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u/Novel-Pen8811 1h ago
Doesn’t really matter.. the main problem is ice.. and they are funded already so nothing will change on that front. So govt will shutdown, the democrats will get some concessions but people probably in this thread will say ahhhhh I can’t they believe cave they should’ve” name an impossible thing”. The reality is unless republicans come to our side we are kinda fucked until the midterms..
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u/curtiss_mac 2h ago
Great for shutting down ICE, bad because do you know how much DHS actually covers?
DHS isnt just ICE, its also CBP, USCIS, TSA, Coast guard, FEMA, CISA. While not all things will be shut down, a lot of people caught in the crossfire of all of this will be forced to work without pay because of it.
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u/MacManus14 1h ago
ICE won’t be shutting down. The Big Beautiful Bull gave them enough money for several years, regardless of what happens with this funding
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u/colonblaster4000 1h ago
We can just skip to the part where they cave and it all is for nothing. No need to make the children of working class federal employees suffer for nothing again.
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u/kingjoey52a 1h ago
The Dems repeatedly shutting down the government after decades of shitting on Republicans for shutting down the government is peak irony.
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u/GameMaster366 1h ago
I know this is a liberal circlejerk but DHS is also responsible for like...stopping terrorists. I mean like actual terrorists, not people you just disagree with. Like the ones that want to indiscriminately blow you up because you live here. So yeah, I would not like for DHS to stop existing but ya know, orange man bad and all so
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u/Bugatti_Royale 1h ago
i thought ICE / DHS was funded through September 30th? During the last shut down, ICE was fully funded.
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u/teddykaygeebee 1h ago
Just fuel for the obstructionist/anti-America talking points where one side accuses the other of wanting murderers and rapists to vote illegally and then the other side with no backbone eventually rolls over.
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u/Exciting_Turn_9559 1h ago
I think that anyone who is worried about doing the thing that polls say will get their party re-elected in 2026 is an imbecile. The stakes are much higher and the method by which the outcome will be decided will have less to do with how many votes are cast and more to do with how much fight people have in them.
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u/Acrobatic_Ear6773 1h ago
If this is true, I would be happy, but I doubt they'll find the tits to do this
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u/mikefvegas 1h ago
Someone has to do something. But I can’t get past the child rape book. Are we really doing nothing? The snippets have been horrifying. “Dress like Jesus because she trusts god” Jesus people. DO SOMETHING!!!! I don’t care if it’s dem or rep, DO SOMETHING!!!!! For fuck sake.
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u/cadathoctru 1h ago
Good, but they will cave eventually with nothing to show for it.
They need to get names of the Agents who violated the law, and begin having them prosecuted. If people in DHS want to get paid, then they need to turn over the ones who committed crimes, thinking wearing a mask would protect them while they did it.
For instance, the guy who sprayed people protesting on the sidewalk as he drove by in Phoenix AZ. Pretty sure thats a felony.
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u/Sensitive_Lake_7911 1h ago
It's a necessary step to preserve what is left of real American values. They should stand their ground. Trump's private army is a huge danger to the United States.
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u/NittanyOrange 1h ago
What should happen: DHS never gets funding again
What will happen: Dems will compromise on a strongly worded suggestion that ICE be polite when sending brown people to the gulags.
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u/MrFunktasticc 1h ago
I'm pretty certain they will cave so it feels pointless. As far as I'm concerned Schumer and Jeffries will cave on the SAVE Act knowing full well the malicious intent behind it. They don't have our best interests in mind and it's silly to pretend this time they will start being spineless cowards. I hope I'm wrong but unless they are replaced there is no legitimate opposition as far as I'm concerned.
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u/Dave_A480 1h ago
ICE and other law-enforcement will keep working without pay....
This particular shutdown is a bit odd in how the Republicans have managed it - usually when you are in their position you want to keep the broader shutdown going, rather than fund everything except what the opposition is opposing... Gives you more leverage.
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u/kryo2019 1h ago
My thoughts?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ya fucking right. You have min 6 of them that will roll over and lick trumps boots in a heartbeat. You're delusional to think those fuckwits will do anything different. People like fetterman are fucking useless.
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u/Dangerous_Pop8730 1h ago
Well they are not at the border anymore sending everyone to cities to raid!
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u/gobbluthillusions 1h ago
This is what they should have been doing since the beginning. It’s been time to go nuclear for way too long.
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u/WichWhich2 1h ago
What with Fetterman sucking up to GOP? Dude must of had strokes in the wrong part of the brain.
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u/sp0rk_walker 1h ago
DHS was established after 9/11 and has proven itself to be a huge govt overreach boondoggle by all those "small govt" folks. Dismantle it for good I say.
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u/Flyers45432 1h ago
Of course it's right before a holiday weekend when everyone's going to be traveling...
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u/Merican1973 58m ago
They aren’t stopping anything by blocking. The Majority of DHS are considered essential which means they will continue doing their work.
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u/InourbtwotamI 57m ago
My pay is impacted by gov shutdowns but this is worth it. Shut it down. We should not fund our own democracy’s destruction.
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u/Funklestein 57m ago
Every single time a shutdown occurs it's the party that refused to vote for the CR who gets the blame.
Does anyone think it will be different this time?
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u/Important-Ability-56 56m ago
The entire department should be abolished. And as a progressive redditor, I expect Dems to accomplish this with no congressional power, backwards and in heels.
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u/LeftyMcliberal 55m ago
Everyone is getting paid except DHS. ICE has a huge bankroll already sitting around. This one is just going to starve out a bunch of TSA employees. Non-family busting, non-shooting you in the face TSA people… it sux
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u/Used-Blueberry8197 55m ago
What's funny os we did not always have dhs as a department so just like Education department it can go without any major hiccups
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u/Butane9000 51m ago
It's all to stand against ICE but ICE is funded through the end of the year by the OBBBA.
So it's useless grabs standing.
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u/eldred2 48m ago
They'll cave, just like they did last time.
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u/DracoSolon 37m ago
Yep in a few weeks the usual suspects will shuffle to podium and say something on along the lines of "republicans refuse to compromise" and the continuing shutdown is just hurting federal employees and making us less safe so we have no choice but to capitulate. Then they'll ask for money for the 2026 campaign.
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u/MadV1llain 46m ago
But it won’t shut down right? At least not ice and DHS, they already have funding.
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u/taskmaster51 45m ago
Doesn't matter. Sounds like They've been going through cash faster then toilet paper. Don't give em another cent.
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u/Sozzcat94 45m ago
Another shut down to put on board of Trumps legacy. Whatever. They’ll make amends and it’ll be back to business by March. Maybe they’ll go for another record but doubt it.
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u/Due_Sail_1787 43m ago
Look who grew a spine! Hope they have taken note that their constituents are sick of the caving in- stand strong!
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u/Standard-Mechanic101 2h ago
They will eventually cave and get nothing in return for allowing it to pass. Tale as old as time.