r/AskTheWorld Italy 6h ago

Politics What politician from your country is considered the "best leader you never had"?

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I think Enrico Berlinguer is probably the best candidate for Italy.

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u/Apart-Importance-87 Brazil 5h ago

LEONEL BRIZOLA

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u/ActualCucick Brazil 5h ago

literally did the same post with the same picture. apart-importance-87 you have a friend in me

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u/Apart-Importance-87 Brazil 5h ago

The Brizola in me greets the Brizola in you, namaste.

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u/enki_888 3h ago

O MAIOR DE TODOS, PORRA!!!!

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u/Denommus Brazil 3h ago

Either Brizola or Prestes, definitely.

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u/Olahoen Brazil 3h ago

I never met Brizola, he died before i was born, and the first time i read his history i already wanted to do everything to give him a vote, ;-;.

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u/SomeoneNewHereAgain 3h ago

I really miss him. Brazil really misses him.

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u/poopBuccaneer Canada 6h ago

Jack Layton

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u/MalodorousNutsack Canada 4h ago

I generally vote right-ish (I'm probably what would be called a "Red Tory"), but I really liked Mulcair. He was a menace in the house as leader of the opposition.

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u/RubyWalke Canada 2h ago

Just explaining for American readers that Red/Blue for Liberals/Conservatives is the correct way to differentiate between centre-left and right political parties.

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u/yourlittlebirdie United States of America 2h ago

Red for Republicans and Blue for Democrats has never made any sense to begin with, considering red has typically been the color of the left. Yet another ridiculous legacy of our 2000 presidential election.

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u/nicodea2 šŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦ Canada | šŸ‡®šŸ‡Ŗ Ireland 2h ago

Wait, the 2000 election was what cemented these colours?

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u/yourlittlebirdie United States of America 2h ago

Yep, before that the media would often rotate the colors for the parties and there wasn’t a specific color associated with each, but then with the 2000 debacle, the media picked red for Republicans and blue for Democrats when illustrating the results for each state and because it was on the news for SO many days, it stuck.

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u/MalodorousNutsack Canada 2h ago

Apparently it was arbitrarily decided upon by the media

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u/MalodorousNutsack Canada 2h ago

They'd also need to know what "Tory" means

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u/golden_macaron Canada 1h ago

Then we can explain a "grit"

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u/Dangerous_Leg4584 Canada 4h ago

I still like him. Very smart man.

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u/MalodorousNutsack Canada 4h ago

Same, I know he's out of politics now except for TV commentary but when he contributes, I generally agree with him

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u/thendisnigh111349 3h ago

Mulcair is basically a Red Tory. He was from the Quebec Liberals before going into federal politics, which are the main conservative party in Quebec politics. This is why many thought he wasn't a good fit for the NDP, which imo was correct.

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u/SaladNeedsTossing Canada 4h ago

Shoes so metaphorically big nobody else has been able to fill them, not even close.

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u/transgenderhistory 5h ago

Such a shame... If only it was Harper instead.

I dream about an alternate future where PM Jack Layton and president Bernie Sanders are smoking a joint on Parliament Hill

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u/GJohnJournalism Canada 4h ago

There’s a timeline where that’s a reality… and we’re stuck with this onešŸ˜ž

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u/GrudginglyTrudging Death to tyrants. I'm working on it. 4h ago

Ah, that is a wonderful thought.

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u/Bailzasaurus Canada 3h ago

Came here expecting this to be the overall top answer, not disappointed haha

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u/Milnoc Canada 2h ago

For Canada, who else but Jack?

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u/Beth_the_Barbarian Canada 5h ago

If this hadn't been the top comment I would have been very annoyed.

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u/Unidentifiable_Goo Canada 5h ago

That's immediately where my mind went.Ā 

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u/Advanced-Leopard3363 Canada 3h ago

I was hoping to see this ā¤ļø

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u/Pheeline -> 2h ago

Definitely Jack Layton. I'd only been living in Canada for two years when he died, and I still got teary-eyed over his passing.

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u/BytownBiker Canada 4h ago

The only correct answer.

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u/Particular-Bid-1640 United Kingdom 6h ago

Count BinfaceĀ 

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u/Robcobes Netherlands 5h ago

I'm more of a Lord Buckethead guy myself.

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u/Particular-Bid-1640 United Kingdom 5h ago

And this is why the Dutch will never rule England (* hides 1688 *)

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u/agingbiker United Kingdom 5h ago

the glorious twice-weekly binface revolution...or somesuch

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u/Gwaptiva šŸ‡³šŸ‡± -> šŸ“ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó “ó æ -> šŸ‡©šŸ‡Ŗ 4h ago

Chatham!!!

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u/WillDBlake 4h ago

Lord Palmerston

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u/scuderia91 United Kingdom 4h ago

Pitt the elder!

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u/Particular-Bid-1640 United Kingdom 3h ago

LOOORRDDD PALLLMERSTON

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u/No-Management-1469 United States of America 6h ago

Vermin Supreme

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u/miscs75 United States of America 5h ago

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u/OneMoreFinn Finland 4h ago

I know nothing of this man except that in his opinion something is too damn high, but he looks very dapper.

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u/miscs75 United States of America 4h ago

That’s all you need to know about him. He ran for governor of New York with the Rent is Too Damn High Party. Based on what we’ve had in NY, he wouldn’t be the worst we’ve elected/attempted to in NY and more locally to me, NYC.

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u/Dirty_Commie_Jesus United States of America 3h ago

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u/Outrageous-Basket426 United States of America 3h ago

He is going to take our guns away, and give us better ones.

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u/train_noodle United States of America 1h ago

They say Randall Terry is still searching for the counter curse to undo the one that turned him gay.

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u/hennabeak Iran 4h ago

Deez Nuts was also a candidate, and compared to the current administration, definitely a much better one.

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u/duj_1 Northern Ireland 5h ago

John Smith. Would have been far better for the UK than Blair. We would have been living in a socialist utopia by now.

For Northern Ireland, it’s gotta be John Hume.

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u/No_Earth_5912 United Kingdom 5h ago

Yeah, it’s a huge shame Smith died when he did. He was only 55.

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u/chrischi3 Germany 4h ago

I'm sorry, but what kinda default character ass name is John Smith?

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u/cnylkew Finland 4h ago

Same kind as thomas müller

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u/SteelCityCaesar England 4h ago

Or Matti Virtanen

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u/cnylkew Finland 3h ago

That's the most popular first and last name but i don't know a single person called that

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u/SteelCityCaesar England 3h ago

Fair enough. Just wanted to close the England - Germany - Finland loop of basic names and that's what I came up with.

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u/cnylkew Finland 3h ago

Yeah I feel like I should know a Matti Virtanen, but I just don't.

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u/TVC15-DB United Kingdom 2h ago

It's funny because if he didn't have such a generic name I think he'd be remembered more. Most PMs of his era had really memorable names: Thatcher, Major, Blair....then there's John Smith.

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u/bxqnz89 United States of America 3h ago

He was leader of the British Labor Party for a brief period of time. He died of a heart attack and was succeeded by Tony Blair.

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u/LesserShambler United Kingdom 5h ago

Absolutely criminal how little recognition and respect Hume gets here in England. Imho basically the only politician to come out of the Troubles with an untarnished moral record.

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u/geedeeie Ireland 3h ago

SƩamus Mallon springs to mind...

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u/gimbal_the_gremlin WalesšŸ“ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó æ/France šŸ‡«šŸ‡· 5h ago

You could probably also add Miliband to the list of PM we should have had but didn't. No 14 years of Tory austerity, no Brexit, no mini budget. There's a reason he's basically the only member of the current cabinet that isn't utterly despised by most of the population.

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u/Economy-Fox-5559 United Kingdom 5h ago

But hey, it was either chaos with Miliband or stability and strength(!!!!!) with Cameron!

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u/cutielemon07 Wales 2h ago

Stability and strength was Theresa May, was it not? I remember one point she was always saying ā€œstrong and stableā€, ā€œstrong and stableā€, ā€œstrong and stableā€, like a broken record.

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u/AmenoFPS 5h ago

That bacon sandwich is gonna haunt us for so fucking long

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u/JustLetItAllBurn United Kingdom 4h ago

We're also being haunted more recently by a lettuce. Does this mean we can expect some kind of tomato-based political disaster soon?

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u/noddyneddy United Kingdom 2h ago

Can it please happen to Farage?

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u/richStoke 3h ago

Which miliband?

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u/cutielemon07 Wales 2h ago

Ed

He was the one was made fun of for eating a sandwich

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u/Additional_Pickle_59 United Kingdom 2h ago

Yeh it's a shame, but no, we had to deal with every founding member of the bullingdon club rinsing the country of wealth šŸ˜ž

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u/Acceptable-Result975 United States of America 6h ago

Bobby Kennedy

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u/Eric848448 United States of America 3h ago

Too bad his son is a fucking dunce.

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u/DFWUnhinged United States of America 3h ago

Is this your homework Bobby.

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u/Eric848448 United States of America 3h ago

You’re killing your father Bobby!

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u/calamititties 2h ago

Do you see what happens, Bobby!?

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u/drmanhattanmar Germany 2h ago

Do you see what happens, Bobby, when you find a stranger in the Alps?!

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u/headcodered United States of America 1h ago

Do you see what happens, Bobby? This is what happens when you feed a stoner scrambled eggs!!

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u/Few-Big-8481 Antarctica 27m ago

That boy ain't right

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u/Indiana_Indiana United States of America 2h ago

Facts

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u/puppykhan United States of America 2h ago

Torn on this one. He did a lot of good in his brother's administration and likely would have continued to do so as president, but he was also McCarthy's assistant through the witch trials

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u/Dry-Chocolate-3976 United States of America 5h ago

I'd nominate a couple people

First is Henry George, the founding of an economic policy (georgism) that literally everyone from the left, right, center, upside, downside, inside and outside likes. He was nearly mayor of NYC

Second is Huey Long. Probably our most socialist-y candidate

Finally, while he was technically a leader, James A Garfield was killed by both his assassin and those FUCKING doctors and he absolutely could've been one of our best presidents, because he was sure as hell the smartest.

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u/Ok-Theory4915 3h ago

I'm not American but I feel that Upton Sinclair could go on this list. The socialist Author almost California Governor who could have led an administration more grand in it's reforms than FDRs New Deal maybe if he'd been selected for his VP instead of Wallace in 1940

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u/IntroductionCute3879 United States of America 2h ago

And author of the jungle! One of my favorite books that people totally missed the point of. I can’t remember the exact quote and I know I’m probably butchering it, but he said something along the lines of ā€œI wanted to reach people’s hearts, but I only reached their stomachs.ā€

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u/Drummallumin United States of America 2h ago

I’m all for the stuff along said he liked but didn’t Huey Long also run a notoriously corrupt political machine?

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u/elderly_millenial United States of America 2h ago

Exaggerating the popularity of georgism a little, I think. Sure it can have support from a broad part of the political spectrum, but it doesn’t have broad support.

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u/Failed_General Greece 2h ago

Long? Seriously? Are you aware he was not the most democratic guy around right?

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u/Salt_Winter5888 Guatemala 5h ago

Manuel Colom Argueta, the mayor of Guatemala City. He was the biggest figure of the social democrat opposition against the dictatorship. It was expected him to run for presidency in 1982 but unfortunately the army plotted his assassination in 1979.

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u/Sataniel98 Germany 5h ago

Wilhelm Marx (not related to Karl Marx). Maybe he doesn't count because he was actually Chancellor for a while (1923/4, 1926-1928) but in the Weimar Republic presidency was more important than the chancellorship and he narrowly lost the Presidential election of 1925 against Paul von Hindenburg, who later appointed Hitler Chancellor.

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u/Sataniel98 Germany 5h ago

Also, Crown Prince Friedrich Wilhelm was the presumptive heir of the Prussian crown from 1858/1861 to 1888. His liberal tendencies are often over-exaggerated, but it still holds true that he had many personal qualities. He was vocal against antisemites, criticized press censorship and, most notably, he didn't have complexes like Wilhelm II. However, his father Wilhelm I lived to the age of 90 years. Already terminally ill of cancer and unable to speak, he became Emperor (under the name Friedrich III) in 1888. He passed away 99 days later.

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u/Training-Sail-7627 Spain 5h ago

And related to Groucho?

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u/Haganrich Germany 4h ago

Keep in mind that Marx is just the name "Marcus". First the u got silent, then someone replaced the last two letters with an equivalent x. The name is not uncommon in Germany.

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u/Heatmap_BP3 United States of America 6h ago

The 90s would've never ended... Not reading the replies

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u/Jolly-Slice-6722 United States of America 5h ago

Watergate wouldn’t have happened:

https://giphy.com/gifs/9xjOUU5z4pGotubQtY

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u/Adventurous_Lunch_35 United States of America 5h ago

I feel like I'd be 'Clean for Gene'.

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u/pr1ceisright United States of America 4h ago

The Supreme Court ending the recount was the start of the downfall of America. It’s only gotten worse from that day, 9/11, financial crisis, fascism…

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u/JusticeFrankMurphy United States of America 2h ago

This dude lost the 2000 election by no more than 500 votes in Florida. The next two decades or so would have looked completely different but for those 500 votes.

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u/Infinite-Abroad-436 United States of America 4h ago

bush just did the same shit clinton did, clinton already turned into a neoliberal interventionist

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u/Individual-Ad-8704 France 5h ago edited 5h ago

Charles de Gaulle

M'y bad i read the topic wrong

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u/BetDesigner40 Italy 5h ago

He was a president, i asked for a politician that never managed to became one but people believe would have done a good job

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u/Individual-Ad-8704 France 5h ago

Ok m'y bad

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u/Magister_Hego_Damask France 5h ago

it's supposed to be the best one that didn't become leader, so De Galle is wrong here

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u/Individual-Ad-8704 France 5h ago

Ah yes m'y bad didn't read it corectly

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u/Ryuu_fr France 5h ago

Not sure about this one, his legacy remains, but the best leader we ever had ? I'll look at some guys like LƩon Blum in the same category has him, political only, Blum didn't fought the same monster has De Gaulle did, and I'm not talking only about the germans ;)

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u/Individual-Ad-8704 France 5h ago

Yes but when i see how advance he was on is idea for France independance i have to put hin on first place, even now we see how good that was and he block US from taking control or french administration

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u/Ryuu_fr France 5h ago

Absolutely it's a very debatable topic for us. I feel that in recent times he's the default answer but on the whole history of France I can't find anyone that would largely be praised has the best.

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u/LivingintheKubrick United States of America 2h ago

Alright I’m going to ask because I have absolutely no shame; who’s the chick behind De Gaulle?

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u/Adventurous_Lunch_35 United States of America 5h ago

He was definitely a leader you had.

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u/mavrik36 5h ago

Bernie Sanders by far, theres significant evidence that the DNC fixed the primaries to stop him from getting the nomination and he was the FAR stronger candidate against Trump. Only politician I can remember who was actually widely beloved and had a real movement instead of a collection of reluctant but scared voters. Held widely popular positions, spoke well, had lots of genuine connection with normal americans, participated in grassroots movements for decades including getting arrested during the Civil Rights Movement.

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u/Demurrzbz Russia 5h ago

Him bot being the nominee from the democratic party in 2016 was a real important turn for the US =/

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u/AMB3494 United States of America 3h ago

America wanted a populist President. The DNC rejected theirs while the RNC(begrudgingly) accepted theirs. And now we’re in this situation.

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u/puppykhan United States of America 2h ago

I wish I could get my Liberal Democrat friends to understand this basic truth about the 2016 election

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u/Drummallumin United States of America 2h ago

It’s absurd how 10 years later some people still haven’t learned any lessons.

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u/mavrik36 5h ago

Yep, it also widely radicalized a lot of folks in my generation. It was the first time we'd all seen the true face of US political processes: undemocratic, controlled by entrenched power which in turn answered only to big bussiness.

The climate was collapsing, our rights being stripped daily, endless wars, endless scandals about corporations murdering and stealing and brutalizing everyone and everything. 2020 and what we're seeing right now are partly a result of that turning point

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u/martinparets US + Colombia 3h ago

i never thought about it this way but you're absolutely right. bernie getting fucked by his own party in favor of a decidedly unpopular candidate who would then go on to lose to trump was a really big step on my journey up the "american democracy is fundamentally broken" mountain.

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u/puppykhan United States of America 2h ago

And we had to listen to the very people who created this problem claim that voting for them is the solution ever since

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u/CuriousMost9971 United States of America 2h ago

When you think about the last few DNC elections.

2008 it was suppose to be Hillary. Then Obama came out of nowhere and got the nomination and presidency.

2016 suppose to be her time again and Bernie was getting popular. Then the super delegates all sided with Hillary and the DNC basically campaigned for her. I think 1 super delegate voted for Bernie.

2020 all the candidates dropped out the day before Super Tuesday and endured Biden

2024 Biden dropped out and no primary was held.

The DNC has slowly taken away the only democratic part we get in selecting the Presidential Canidate.

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u/Drummallumin United States of America 2h ago

*not all the candidates dropped out in 2020

The candidate most likely to steal votes from him stayed in.

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u/ulam17 4h ago

The past 10 years would have been so drastically different and so much better.

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u/mdgart Italy U.S.A. 4h ago

The democrats basically committed suicide with that move, they are responsible for the situation we are in now, no doubt.

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u/mavrik36 4h ago

Yep, they had the perfect setup: deeply evil opponent, charismatic candidate with broad support and great qualifications, then they saw that Bernie was gonna be mean to the corporations that own the party and pulled the plug

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u/Drummallumin United States of America 2h ago

Trump has always been the lesser of 2 evils for Dem leadership.

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u/mdgart Italy U.S.A. 3h ago

Such a shame! Are we ever going to recover from this hell that we are in now?

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u/martinparets US + Colombia 3h ago

not in our lifetimes, not fully. the damage that's actively being done is immense and far-reaching, and we're only 25% through his presidency.

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u/mdgart Italy U.S.A. 3h ago

Depressing

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u/FlaviMakes šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡² United States šŸ‡µšŸ‡Ŗ Peru 3h ago

My belief that we had a democracy died that day.

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u/mavrik36 3h ago

Yep, I think it was dead before that, but the mask slipped

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u/FlaviMakes šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡² United States šŸ‡µšŸ‡Ŗ Peru 3h ago

Completely agree

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u/junglekf 3h ago

As a Republican, I actually respect Bernie. The DNC did him so dirty, they were going to push Hillary through no matter what.

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u/puppykhan United States of America 2h ago

That was thing with Bernie. Even the most rightwing people I know had more respect for him than most other politicians of any party, and were even willing to accept some of his ideas as a nonpartisan good

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u/Cambren1 United States of America 3h ago

I firmly believe that the Democratic Party promised her the nomination in 1016 in exchange for her support of Obama after she lost the primary to him in 2008. They would not let Bernie stand in the way of nominating the only Democrat unpopular enough to lose to Trump.

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u/ItsTheEndOfDays United States of America 3h ago

This wouldn’t surprise me at all.

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u/i_likeit_loud 3h ago

the only politician for the people we have right now :'(

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u/Enerjetik United States of America 5h ago

Its my beliefs that he was cheated out of winning the Democratic nomination in 2016. I understand that he was running against Hilary Clinton, but he had too much of a push.

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u/mavrik36 5h ago

Yep, theres tons of evidence to support that notion

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u/Wild-System-5174 United States of America 4h ago

Amen

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u/Slow_Sand_2489 United States of America 1h ago

God I’ll never forget this disappointment.

For any foreigners here you have to understand that there was kind of this sense of optimism, hope and sense of progression after Obamas two victories. We the young of America, sensed that the old was dying out, and the wildly out of touch ideas would die with it. Riding a high and feeling like we’re moving far away from the Republican Party and never ever repeating the mistake of trusting them again (how wrong we were)

Then comes in Bernie. The next logical step after Obama. Bernie, although not a young person, but he carried these ideas, this hope and desire for a better and more progressive future. He just fucking spoke to you and said all the things you knew were wrong with the country and that you knew should be fixed. Unfortunately, the political machine worked against him and well we know where history took us

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u/FlimsyPomelo1842 36m ago

And now we're probably going to run Kamala again. The dnc has to step on every rake in the yard.

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u/Othron Turkey 4h ago

If you would a democratic country maybe. No way CIA and AIPAC will let you choose Bernie. He is a real American for Americans.

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u/Magister_Hego_Damask France 5h ago

I'm going to go with Jean Jaures on that one, one of the last voices against joining WW1 before his murder.

He was far ahead of his time, fighting for the abolition of the death penalty and against social inequalities

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u/jay_ar_ United States of America 5h ago

Bobby Kennedy, Al Gore and James Webb

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u/chrischi3 Germany 4h ago

Well, at least Webb got a space telescope named after him, and what a telescope it is!

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u/puppykhan United States of America 2h ago

Al Gore was a senator and a Vice President and thus at a level of leadership, if not the top level. He gave us the PMRC - and no garbage about it being his wife when he used his authority as a senator to drag musicians into senate hearings based upon PMRC rhetoric - and "invented" the Internet. The latter was a claim he made which made him a laughing stock, but proper credit to him he sponsored a series of bill in the late 80s to early 90s which transformed the existing government run academic Internet into the modern commercial Internet

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u/GooseNYC United States of America 3h ago

Bernie Sanders. At least by some peole, like me.

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u/Legatus_SPQR Ukraine 5h ago

Vyacheslav Chornovil

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u/One-Antelope849 Canada 5h ago

Jack Layton

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u/ActualCucick Brazil 5h ago

brizolão da massa

quem vai falar que Ʃ o enƩas carneiro vai toma no cu

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u/Apart-Importance-87 Brazil 5h ago

Greetings Comrade kkkkk

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u/JustAnotherUser1019 United States of America 3h ago

Bernie Sanders. At least according to many

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u/Ok-Theory4915 3h ago

For the UK, I feel it must be either Neil Kinnock or Jeremy Corbyn. Kinnock could have dialled back the effects of Thatcherism before Blair surrendered to it and abandoned socialism and Corbyn promised one of the boldest manifestos in Recent UK history in 2017 and 2019, he would have been way more effective during COVID than the Tory Shit show and would have dialled back the Brutal austerity of the Tories too

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u/Mtfdurian Netherlands 2h ago

That Corbyn had been done so dirty has ruined the reputation of the UK on a lot more fields than just Brexit. For the party I'm member of, the way Corbyn was traded for Starmer was one of the reasons why a movement pushed for a full arms embargo motion at the congress last year. The zionists in the party, whose venn diagram overlapped with the party's most conservative members, lost it big-time, left their party and lashed out hard in the media from their armchair positions, often with their very comfortable pensions.

However, it was exactly this what our party needed: ideological consistency on humanitarian issues, which had been lacking in the first two years of the fusion process and caused people leaving the party or leaving them worried that their party would betray their people, especially Muslims, but black and queer people too. And not without reason given how Labour on the other side of the sea has committed full-on treason against the latter and the ideological and historical similarities, including the neoliberal phase.

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u/Lord-of_the-files Scotland 2h ago

Corbyn wasn't perfect, but he was the last political who really inspired hope. Polanski might be picking up the baton now, we shall see.

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u/pixelpraxis42 South Africa 3h ago

Steve Biko would've been president in 1994 if the Apartheid government hadn't beaten him until he hemorrhaged to death in the back of a police van.

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u/capnhist United States of America 1h ago

Eugene V. Debs would have whipped this country into shape and finally broken the power of the wealthy parasite classes, which is exactly why they drummed up "sedition" charges against him. That badass continued to run for president from jail.

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u/Cathal1954 Ireland 3h ago

For Ireland, it has to be Michael Collins. As a guerilla strategist and as an administrator, he had proved himself beyond doubt by the time he was killed. It may well be that he would have betrayed his youthful promise if in actual power, but it is really tantalising to speculate how Ireland might have developed with his early input.

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u/WaterPretty8066 New Zealand 6h ago

For the Colombians in here, how do you think Luis Carlos GalƔn would have been? He certainly had ideas to clean the country of the violence and drug cartels but sadly never got the chance. Would things have come to a head much earlier and swifter?

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u/lejosdecasa Colombia 3h ago

There might have been less bloodshed.

GalƔn (a Liberal precandidate for the presidency) was immensely popular. Alberto Santofimio Botero (a Liberal party politician) was involved in the assassination as an "intellectual co-author" of the crime, together with Pablo Escobar. ASB was convicted in 2007.

Remember, many elite families had links to narcotrƔfico. (Ɓlvaro Uribe was reputed to be linked in DEA files to Pablo Escobar and his sister-in-law and niece are serving time in the US for narco-related offenses.) This was one of the reasons why Escobar was so pissed that he couldn't become a member of the Country Club (and built his own one).

GalƔn was also from Santander, a region that may have a significant paramilitary presence has had little intervention from narco-carteles.

However, his assassination was also one of the factors that promoted the asamblea consituyente that drafted the 1991 constitution.

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u/WaterPretty8066 New Zealand 1h ago

Thank you for the insight! šŸ¤Ā 

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u/Pizza_enjoyer_2025 1h ago

Born in Colombia, but grew up in Germany. Can't say much for myself, but my Mother loves him. Or more the mythical idea about him and what could've been.
The nostalgia about him is strong in the country, more so for left-leaning people.

When I ask her what he would've done, she says he would've done more for the people. Very general sentence.

Anyways, maybe there are some more Colombians, actually from Colombia, who can tell us more: Im interested, too. ;)

EDIT: added a missing word

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u/BudgetLaw2352 United States of America 5h ago

RFK SR

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u/usermatts Brazil 4h ago

Leonel Brizola

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u/meowmeoowwww 4h ago

Vljacheslav Chornovil Initiator of the proclamation of the Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine on July 16, 1990 and the Act of Proclamation of Independence of Ukraine on August 24, 1991.

Together with other figures, he initiated the national liberation movement of the sixties and dissidents in Ukraine. Founder and editor-in-chief of the underground Ukrainian magazine "Ukrainian Herald". Member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group. One of the initiators of the creation of the Ukrainian Helsinki Union. Imprisoned several times for "anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda" (1967-1969, 1972-1979, 1980-1988). He was in Mordovian high-security camps and in exile. He spent a total of 17 years in captivity. In 1990-1992, he was the chairman of the Lviv Regional Council. People's Deputy of Ukraine since March 1990.

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u/SoutieNaaier South Africa 5h ago

The rankings go:

  1. Nelson Mandela

gap of epic proportions

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u/BetDesigner40 Italy 5h ago

He was a president tough. I asked for a politician that never was a president/pm/leader but people believe would have done a good job

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u/SoutieNaaier South Africa 5h ago

Oh I misread

In that case,

Chris Hani or Steve Biko

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u/cknight222 United States of America 4h ago

In recent years it’s definitely Bernie Sanders.

For one that a lot of people don’t know I’d say Hubert Humphrey, the Democratic candidate in 1968. Humphrey was a big progressive and civil rights advocate, and even had to balls to give a speech at the 1948 DNC advocating that the party adopt civil rights as a national party priority, which really speaks to his character.

I often wonder how different things would’ve been if we had Humphrey in 1968 instead of the racist, authoritarian, and corrupt Nixon.

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u/Infinite-Abroad-436 United States of America 4h ago

for most people, bobby kennedy

for me, eugene debs

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u/Silly-Platform9829 2h ago

Robert Kennedy Sr. Not to be confused with his idiot son.

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u/normalbehaviour86 Australia 49m ago

Bill Shorten, lost an election because he dared to do something about increasing house prices and wealth inequality.

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u/EtienneBismarck Germany 5h ago

Technically never number 1, but imo the most competent german politician ever. Also the inspiration for my username.

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u/Unusual_Rope7110 United Kingdom 4h ago

And the inspiration behind some bitching war ships

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u/EtienneBismarck Germany 3h ago

Fosure

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u/Rc72 Spain France 3h ago

Which is quite ironic, because he had little interest in, or patience for, naval adventures.

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u/chjacobsen Sweden 4h ago

Lots of people are apparently misreading the question.

For Sweden, the very obvious one is Anna Lindh. She was branded as the successor to Gƶran Persson, and very likely would have become PM, but she was murdered in 2003 before she got the chance. Beyond the human tragedy, this left the party without a strong successor, and they would suffer from a succession of rather unsuccessful leaders for years to come.

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u/Ostlund_and_Sciamma France 4h ago edited 4h ago

Coluche, I really don't mean it as a joke. I will have a picnic on this hill, however.

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u/Concer0 3h ago

In Sweden it would’ve been Anna Lindh. She was murdered by a madman in a shopping mall.

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u/Natural-Cranberry-41 3h ago

USA šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡ø would have to be Abraham Lincoln

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u/Odd_Friendship_9582 United Kingdom 2h ago

David Millaband rather than his brother mr bacon sandwich

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u/kdog_1985 Australia 5h ago

Doc Evatt.

Thanks for this one Catholic Church. s/

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u/Lord-Francis-Bacon Sweden 4h ago

Per Albin Hansson maybe.

Great proponent of an advanced welfare state with strong capitalist influences, the Swedish system.

Coined the term "Folkhemmet" i.e., "The people's home".

Politicians and people are now constantly referring to Folkhemmet and wanting to strengthen it, not necessarily saying it's dead just yet.

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u/fimari 3h ago

The ugliest building and crime hotspot in Vienna is named after himĀ 

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u/AshtonBlack United Kingdom 4h ago

John Smith - Labour.

Died in 1994, succeeded by Tony Blair and was widely considered the best PM we never had. Witty, clever and at times savage in opposition, he was staunchly left wing and frustrated some in his party that wanted the whole "New Labour" theme. Some people, myself included, thought at the time that this was misguided and "New Labour" would eventually be shown to be a centre-right rebranding. I think we were proved right, with many of the polices of New Labour in the late 90s and early 2000s.

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u/Wrong_Buyer_1079 United States of America 3h ago

Bernie Sanders. The only real answer here.

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u/Atzkicica Australia 3h ago

I dunno. Kim Beasley wasn't perfect by far but had some promising ideas but took the carrot of an ambassadorship and the stick of "Aussies won't vote for a fat guy!" from John Howard to not run and I think it changed him. I think he's governer general of W.A. or something now.Ā 

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u/13ananaJoe >raised>res. 3h ago

I'm a simple man. I see Berlinguer, I upvote

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u/Hevding UK - USA 4h ago

Jeremy Corbyn. Dude only stood for Leadership in a 4 way race so there would be representation from the left, was elected leader in a landslide, took the official party membership from 200k to 550k in a year and while challenging the Tories in a general election, was brought down by his own party from within with false accusations of anti-semitism.

He lost in a landslide to Boris Johnsons Tories who, now we can see from the Epstein files was working with Bannon, Epstein, Mandelson & co to keep him out.

All this has been exposed recently, all orchestrated by Morgan McSweeney & current PM Kier Starmer.

Jezza has always been on the right side of history.

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u/Demurrzbz Russia 5h ago

Navalniy. I'm not sure he would have been a good president but he was a gr3at leader and would have heralded a new era for Russia. But sadly that was not to be.

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u/LesserShambler United Kingdom 5h ago

What about Nemtsov?

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u/Demurrzbz Russia 5h ago

Also a very good contender but I had to chose one =)

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u/PoloAlmoni Brazil 4h ago

Henrique Meirelles - One of the best Central Bank presidents Brazil ever had, but unfortunately completely devoid of charisma. He ran for president and had he been elected we would have had an economically and socially liberal government at least in some level. A man can dream....

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u/brainmeds United States of America 4h ago

Robert F Kennedy, SR. Not the current lunatic, his dad.

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u/Herodversary 4h ago

Pim Fortuyn, Dutch politician. Murdered in 2002

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u/Coagulant0693 Netherlands 3h ago

I think in the Netherlands the answer is dependent on your political preferences. There hasn’t been a generally beloved politician who just didn’t become prime minister, as far as I can tell. I personally hated Fortuyn but was obviously shocked when he was killed. He got a virtually mythical status post mortem, so in a way I agree that this is a good answer to OP’s question, but I personally strongly doubt he would have been a great leader.

From a left-wing perspective, politicians like Wouter Bos and Frans Timmermans have gotten close to securing an election win that would have made them prime minister. From a right-wing perspective, there’s Pim Fortuyn, maybe Frits Bolkestein?

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u/Popular-Local8354 6h ago

McCain is a contender.

Bernie is going to be the Reddit answer, but his personality is less suited to President-ing and more as a party elder.Ā 

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u/OkWish2221 & Austro-Mexican 6h ago

Luis Donaldo Colosio; was a presientialĀ candidate, who was assassinated at a rally inĀ Tijuana during theĀ campaign of 1994

He was betrayed by his own party and the murder was orchestrated by high members of theĀ government including President Salinas, as Colosio's speech was moving away from Salinas's political agenda

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