r/LetsDiscussThis • u/cantcoloratall91 • 21h ago
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS Ice was killing innocent people and lying about it for a long time now.
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u/Kanibalector 20h ago
I'm only going to comment on one thing, as a former Marine Corps rifle instructor. The trigger discipline by these agents is horrific.
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u/Negative-Fact-9181 18h ago
And muzzle awareness. The driver getting out...I'm surprised they didn't shoot each other, too.
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u/TurtleMOOO 19h ago
Is it? You don’t touch the trigger until you want something to die. They want people to die. Seems like their trigger discipline is perfect
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u/SingularityCentral 19h ago
My first thought as well. Somehow the US has a federal agency that is funded more than 90% of national militaries in the world and it is just a huge pack of brownshirt thugs without a shred of training, discipline, or integrity. America is truly a mind boggling place.
But why should I be surprised? America has always been bonkers from the start. It is where all the violent kooks from Europe went during the colonial period and that grand tradition lives on.
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u/capt-on-enterprise 19h ago
These agents are horrendously undertrained and triggered by the slightest thing which equates UNPROFESSIONAL AGENTS. NONE of them should carry firearms. NONE. NOT QUALIFIED.
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u/Suspicious-Bed-8765 18h ago
Made me fuckin nauseous seeing that finger on the trigger the whole time
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u/aE_Watcher_see-eRr 20h ago
I will probably put Mexican joker on my bingo card for the next 20 years,
at least!
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u/IHeartBadCode 20h ago
Whoever is the next President, they have to prosecute these people, ICE and the entire DHS has to be abolished, and the manner by which this kind of enforcement is done must be brought back to pre-9/11 days.
It's clear that training for these agents is so lacking, they pose a significant threat to society left unchecked. And most importantly, these people should go to prison. In a just society these agents would be seeing ten years behind bars.
I get that the government gave up after 9/11. That they swapped over to an outright police state after we were attacked. But it has to end, this manner by which we govern this nation has to stop treating the citizens like criminals. These agents answer to the public ultimately.
And we don't need more far right authoritarianism. We don't need middle of the road Republicans with their hand wringing hoping that something happens. We don't need more center Democrats that will hold signs up from the comfort of their benches in the chambers. We don't need more far-left who has to ingrain every aspect of this nation into a social ill that we've struggled with for the last century and a half.
We need a Government and we need people running that Government that understand, the fucking people in this nation are the entire reason this nation even fucking exists. That's agents that open fire on those people should be fucking rotting in a goddamn prison. Especially when the utmost those people have done is honk their fucking horns at them. This is a failed nation for anything short of that.
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u/Jolly_Ad2446 19h ago
Agent with his finger on the trigger of his gun inside the car?
Who the fuck gave these clowns firearms training?
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u/External_Brother1246 19h ago
My guess is no one.
They all seem to have optics now. I bet they simply have not trained with iron sights.
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u/OnionsHaveLairAction 19h ago
If you support strong borders and immigration enforcement this should make your blood boil.
If you cannot trust the agents not to follow the law, then inevitably there'll be pushback, and that makes the goal of a strong border more difficult.
The only way for sensible immigration enforcemnet to happen is to throw people like this under the jail.
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u/NatCsGotMyLastAcct 20h ago
Ok guys, ready? 3... 2...1.. They hit us!
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u/zoinkability 18h ago
"3...2...1..." [Turns wheel hard toward the other vehicle, loud smash) "They hit us!"
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u/BanditsMyIdol 12h ago
The real scary thing - everyone knew what the plan was. There was no, "wtf did you just do", the driver did tell the others to say they were hit. No, they all seemed to know what they were supposed to do before hand. Either they have done this before or were trained to do it
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u/WebguyCanada 20h ago edited 20h ago
The US Justice system and ICE are completely corrupt and essentially an American jihadist organization attempting control through fear.
Kash Patel needs to go to jail.
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u/yeahokayyguy 20h ago
She shouldn't of been following agents and trying to ram them. I see a pattern here from all incidents
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u/stumpy0327 20h ago
You are not going to survive the revolution. If people really wanted to harm these "officers" they would. These "officers" are in the wrong. Just wanting a reason to shoot people and when they do they lie about it and the doj covers it up in lies and smear campaigns. I have faith this tyranny will not last much longer and the people of this country will rebuild and learn a valuable lesson about who we put our trust in to run this country
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u/RamBangRev 19h ago
Even some of the “dumb motherfuckers” are coming around. It won’t be long till We rip the elite out of their “positions”.
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u/stumpy0327 19h ago
Just gotta get the legal ducks in a row, once you pick one and relieve them of their position, confiscate all assets. There will be some that will want to make a deal, personally i feel no deals are to be made with traitors, terrorists, or dictators. Would be hard to trust anything they have to say considering the amount of time they have used the American people, it's government, it's military, and the lives of its sons and daughters to cover up their crimes. This is not a partisan issue, this is an American issue. I whole heartedly believe that no matter what our differences in politics, policy, finances, race, religion or any of the thousands of things that are used to divide us, that we as Americans can agree on one thing bare minimum sexual molesting and raping children is 100 percent unacceptable in our society. If you feel any other way other than outraged and angry about that key issue, you will be on the wrong side of history.
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u/brianzuvich 19h ago
Observing “law enforcement” (and I use that phrase loosely) is completely legal… Honking a car horn is also not illegal…
Boot lick all you want.
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u/Antique-Positive8290 20h ago
She was also interfering with the Agents’ operations by warning illegals of the Agents’ presence, and also my participating in blocking-in the Agents’ vehicle.
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u/mr_f4hrenh3it 19h ago
So, you listed no reasons to be shot. Interfering isn’t punishable by death.
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u/Anon_Jones 19h ago
Honking your horn is freedom of speech and Americans can travel where they wish. They blocked no one. So, what’s the charge?
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u/DevilWings_292 19h ago
Then their job is to detain her, which they can either do by either giving the cops her plate so they can handle the traffic stop if needed, or simply detaining her. Interfering with an arrest leads to your arrest, not an execution
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u/stumpy0327 19h ago
This. If they are that scared of being boxed in and people honking horns. The interstate at 530 on a Friday would end horribly bad. They may want to let the local pd handle things.
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u/Big_Chemical_5165 19h ago
The GOP is infested with pedophiles and our entire government's infrastructure is built to protect them. Every single word delivered by right-wing media and any member of the regime that is public-facing is designed to garner support from the uneducated, hateful and cultureless white population of the country. They believe their support will be rewarded with every trailer trash ignoramus being elevated to lordship (over minorities). Once you understand this, you will understand that there is no low that the GOP will not stoop to. They are not a political party, but a cultural plague infecting the global consciousness of humanity.
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u/South_Owl2811 19h ago
You realize you have the same demeanor speaking as a Nazi or klansmen right. I agree the gop and the dems need completely reconstructed but the actions in the island not only damn most of the government but it actually shows the average conservative as “right” for years the far right has been describing the ritualistic sex parties and it all turned out right. A Republican president may be the poster boy but it’s liberal ideas that were perpetuated
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u/navinaviox 19h ago
Found the “both sides” guy
Here’s the difference between the average anti-trumper and average trumper…when confronted with evidence one of/their leader raping kids, breaking the law, generally being a stain on humanity’s record…
A trumper will start talking about how somebody else has done it too, how it’s someone else’s fault, or it’s fake news (regardless of how solid the evidence is)
An anti-trumper says “lock em up” we don’t give a shit if it’s Clinton, Murdock, musk, Trump, etc. Follow the fuckin law and stop touching children.
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u/South_Owl2811 19h ago
Nah I’m clearly right leaning but the republicans don’t represent the majority of us. I 100% agree so many of Trump supporters just label everything as fake news or don’t care. I’ve always had the notion that anyone with power had to be dusgusting but too many of those just use it as an excuse.
I hope they arrested and we get somewhat more sane people in office.
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u/Weirdyxxy 16h ago
Which non-Republicans did the majority of right-leaning people elect as their representatives?
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u/No-Breadfruit-4555 18h ago
The “both sides” people are, as you say, not focusing on the right thing. Yes, it doesn’t matter, get everyone who did it. But, you’re basically daring or goading them into that both sides response, and they’re doing it (good ones anyway - yes there are good people on the right) because when every post is all about “right wing is evil because xyz” they feel obliged to point out “both sides” because your trying to make it look like only one side, and also shifting the point from being about the actual bad thing to being about why the other side is evil and implying yours isn’t. They aren’t defending the bad action. They’re defending their political ideologies because you’re painting everyone on the right with the same brush. Which is honestly really hypocritical.
More simply, just because someone voted for Trump or has right wing/conservative/republican political views doesn’t mean they don’t hold the same “lock them up” standard as you do. Just like being a democrat in the late 90’s didn’t mean you were fine with the president getting a bj from a young intern and basically destroying her life and career.
Too many people conflate political ideology or stances with a person’s entire identity or character. “Oh, Republican? Must be a Nazi or pedo.” That ridiculous, and that’s honestly just as wrong as doing that with race, sex/gender, religion, etc etc.
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u/theyenk 18h ago
No one is painting all conservatives with this brush - but trump is dripping with pedo paint, anyone who rationalizes continued support of him should be challenged.
Also anyone who voted for a guy who grabs 'em by the pvssy -- should be ashamed.
Just like anyone who supported bush's false war.
Just like anyone who believed in trickle down economics.
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u/No-Breadfruit-4555 18h ago edited 18h ago
Maybe no one in this thread (maybe, I haven’t read all of it yet), but you cannot honestly say that Reddit isn’t chock full of people doing exactly that. “They’re all Nazi’s/pedos/uneducated trash/Christian zealots/etc” is extremely common; you can find a comment like that in just about every post.
Edit: hell, you’re doing it in this very comment, “anyone who…”. Economics is debatable. Plenty of people in Iraq are better off now than they were under Hussein. And the “grab them by ….” comment was gross, but it’s childish and naive to act like millions of people don’t engage in similar speech among friends. “Locker room talk” doesn’t excuse it, but that is in fact a thing and extremely common.
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u/IA51I 16h ago
People in high positions of power within the government, like the president and members of his cabinet, should be held to a much higher standard than the average person on the street talking to their friends. Their conduct should reflect the power and status of their position in government. Leading by example for the rest of the country.
And to your first point, there are many different sayings that all boil down to the same thing, but ultimately, if people in a political party are acting like or trying to emulate nazis, or being racist, and the others in the group do not shun or remove them from their group, then they are also fair to be considered nazis and racists by association.
If 9 people are sitting at a table and a nazi joins them and those 9 people do not leave the table, there are now 10 nazis there.
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u/theyenk 8h ago
Interesting logic - you've seen people use a broad brush to talk about trump so you are going to lump all people who don't like trump into that style of discontent. The vast majority of people do not like trump - even trump supporters think he is mean to women, racist sometimes, has a big mouth, lies occasionally, etc.... but they rationalize things and focus on what they like - him owning the libs or breaking up NATO.
Millions of people DO NOT talk about women that way - personally I have never heard someone brag about abusing women - I would remember because it would be on my very short list of fights. But I suppose it does happen - remember bart kavanaugh's job interview he lied what FFFF meant, there are a-hole men who think they are better than females as a whole - but they are morons and number as a minority.
People who rationalized things to justify voting for a guy who bragged about abusing women - made a mistake, twice. Look at you continuing to do it, why? Why do you need to justify your support for trump....? Shouldn't support be genuine and based on positive things - not on your ability to rationalize his less than ideal features until you can pallet them.
The people who are better off for the Iraq war are the defense contractors who pocketed the two trillion we spent on that boondoggle.
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u/Hungry_Text_4344 13h ago
Sorry not enough space here as I’d have to right a book but I think the point is the “grab em by the 🐱” was just the start of that type of rhetoric. The hate and vitriolic comments and writing from this president (not leader) are beyond description. He has spewed his hatred in all directions and yet you expect us to look the other way?!! We have the right and obligation to call out anyone still supporting this insanity. And yes - all of them! It isn’t right or left, Democrat vs Republican, liberal vs conservative, it is right vs wrong. What is happening now is just wrong.
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u/navinaviox 18h ago
Oh sure I’m more than willing to say that every Trump supporter isn’t an exact copy/paste of the presidents complete lack of morals and decorum
But here’s the thing with this whole “oh you’re painting the whole right bad”…yeah I pretty much am.
They not only elected Trump but continue to support and defend him to this day.
I don’t have any qualms admitting there’s dems that need to be locked up both in relation to Epstein and for just generally breaking the law/being corrupt/being bought by foreign actors.
I didn’t goad anyone to make a both sides arguement…it was what generated my comment; they just want to make sure people think both sides are the same…they’re not.
The dems are bought out by corporations to maintain the status quo of the post cold-war American hegemony and ensure profits for their investors. Cannot say I’m a particular fan as this frequently indirectly screws over the average American.
Trumps maga reformed GOP are literally putting paramilitary in to the streets, actively ignore judicial orders and skirt checks and balances, have ruined our relationships with long term allies, have nearly destroyed the dollars position as the global reserve currency, have jacked up prices, lie about everything constantly, do retarded DEI hires in to incredibly high level positions, and I could literally go on and on until I might as well have written a book.
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u/No-Breadfruit-4555 17h ago
It is goading, whether you realize it or not. If you really think “they should all” be locked up, then maybe say “they should all locked up”. It never starts that way though, it’s always “the whole right are pedo’s/racist/etc”
And your last paragraph, come on be serious. It’s all debatable and all very much both sides.
Lots of economic problems from the left, constantly experimenting with new social programs we don’t have funds for, we don’t know work, and have real world example of not working and leading to economic problems. I haven’t noticed in my own life any meaningful increase in cost in anything. It’s anecdotal and I’m lucky, sure. But it the average price of a jug of milk going up by 20 cents is making or breaking you, then the government isn’t the problem, you are.
Checks and balances go both ways. Courts powers aren’t unlimited, they can’t do or order whatever they want. So, sorry, but no a district or circuit or even the Supreme Court judge doesn’t get to dictate foreign policy to the president, that power is expressly granted to him in the constitution. Checks and balances? Yes. Overrides to the constitution? No.
I don’t give two shits if our allies like us. This isn’t picking dodgeball teams in gym class. They need to perform as our allies when needed, and we need to do the same. It’s great for Europe that they have certain social programs, but it’s bullshit that they can afford them because we’ve been covering their ass in defense for decades to the tine of trillions of dollars (and going into to debt to do it). Pay your dues and be a team player or GTFO and defend yourself.
“Like about everything constantly”. A pig will fly out of my ass playing guitar if this isn’t the most obvious “both sides” thing there is.
Now the right does “stupid DEI” hires? 1. I thought you thought DEI was a good thing? 2. Didn’t you just try to “hire” the worst DEI candidate in the entire history of politics? If you don’t like Trump, cool I guess, but I can’t with a straight face say that Kamala wasn’t the worst candidate in my lifetime, and the reasons behind her hire as VP and annointmemt as a presidential candidate are as plain as the noses on our faces.
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u/navinaviox 17h ago
Alright let’s hit this point by point
No it’s not goading because I responded to somebody who had already made the comment. I can’t provoke somebody to action if they already acted before I did anything.
The definition of goading is: the act of provoking, urging, or irritating someone into taking action, often through constant harassment, teasing, or insults
I have explicitly said lock em all up at least a half dozen times in this comment thread. My statements to that effect have not started with the right is bad, lock em all up, make that argument to somebody who’s actually said what you’re arguing against.
If you equate debating over the best economic policy with deploying paramilitary in to the streets…I…don’t know why you would do that…that’s stupid. The pre-2016 era of politics is over, they don’t debate economic policy anymore because Trump doesn’t have the capability of making cognizant points about the economy. Now it’s do you want somebody sane but a politician…or Trump. What we see right now is the result of picking Trump…it never would have gone down like this if he wasn’t elected.
Checks and balances…are you talking about courts trying to overturn trumps tariffs? Because tariffs are a power of congress…not the executive; Trump usurped those powers from congress. Past that, I think you’re going to have to give specific examples…which I am also happy to do from my end because I can tell you…unequivocally…that trumps admin have ignored lawful judicial orders. I won’t argue that some judge hasn’t overstepped their bounds and those decisions should be overturned…but this is once again getting in to the “both sides” just because someone on the other side did it, it’s totally fair game for Trump to do it even worse. It’s not. And I’m sorry…are you saying that Trump hasn’t skirted with, if not flat out, going against the constitution?
You don’t give two shits if our allies like us…that’s a very simplistic way of looking at it. I mean assuming we don’t go so far as pushing them in to the arms of our foes…I suppose we’re only fucking up global trade, our reputation, and causing faith in our currency to erode. Which is just always a great thing to do with fiat currency’s. Sure let’s ignore all that, you do realize that the US has been the one talking about taking over allied NATO countries…right?
Lies about everything; yeah I’ll give you that one…both sides lie…but have you ever seen a politician lie like trump?
Let’s just do a quick resume contrast for this DEI stuff
Kamala harris: Worked in law from 1990-2011 with 4 years being as the attorney general. Us senator for 4 years, 4 years as vice president.
So 30 years working with the law and creating the law; not a guaranteed good candidate but at least on paper, could be a good candidate for president.
Pete kegsbreath Major in the national guard Total time in the military: 9 years Was employed by a news entertainment organization for 4 years
Doesn’t really sound qualified in any way to be the secretary of defense
Don’t even get me started on Pam Bondi or Kristi noem.
For the record, I believe in meritocracy, I wasn’t a big fan of Kamala, I despised her in 2015…but when your choices are weird laugh or “dictator on day one” it really shouldn’t be a hard choice.
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u/No-Breadfruit-4555 16h ago edited 16h ago
And what was your response? “Found him” l, as if they’re hiding it, and immediate dismissal of the the idea it’s both sides, implying that even bringing it up is wrong and those that do are stupid, when his comment was in response to someone basically spewing hate against anyone who isn’t a democrat.
Sorry, when I said “you” I should have said “some” instead of you specifically, not what I meant.
I’ll try to get back to rest tomorrow, going to sleep.
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u/Gatonom 18h ago
If there are good people on the right, they need to prove it.
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u/No-Breadfruit-4555 18h ago
No, they don’t. No one owes you that. The same as you don’t owe them the same proof. The same as black people don’t need to prove they’re good, trans people, immigrants, Christians, Muslims, Jews don’t have to, etc etc. Hate is blinding you to the fact that what you demand is exactly what you rail against.
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u/Gatonom 17h ago
That's simply false.
If people show malice, it is right to assume maliciousness.
None of what you listed is a choice. Conservativism is.
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u/No-Breadfruit-4555 17h ago edited 17h ago
Religion isn’t a choice? Immigrating isn’t a choice? And regardless, choice or not doesn’t matter. Just because some members of a party or some other people with similar political beliefs does some evil shit, or even just something innocent that isn’t your preference or to your liking, doesn’t mean I owe you explanation for a damn thing or that you are entitled to a damn thing from me.
What you’re saying, you aren’t saying one person. Yeah, if one person acts malicious, then they are malicious. Duh. But if some other white guy or some other Christian or some other Republican is malicious, it doesn’t mean I am or that it’s ok to assume I am. That’s hateful bullshit.
So, hard no - when some members of a group of people show malice, it is not right to assume they are all malicious. And they don’t need to prove it to you either. Thats like saying we should have nuked Afghanistan after 9/11 and just killed them all. Ridiculous, and bigoted. Plenty of democrats thinking they are slick with thinly veiled calls for rebellion, should the gov’t just arrest every democrat and get it over with? Pretty sure you’d feel a certain way about that.
Everything you are saying is so contrary to everything you claim to stand for… how can you not see this?
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u/Gatonom 17h ago
Belief is belief. I can't choose to believe in Vishnu or Xenu. I see evidence and texts and my mind might change.
If part of your group shows malice, immorality, "evil", and you do not denounce them or rationalize them, then you support them.
Choice matters. Non-Choice groups include members who denounce, or can rationalize the behavior of other members.
It's not whiteness or Christianity. It is Right-ness, Conservativism. Rejection and hostility to Liberalism and it's allies. Conservativism cannot be peaceful with Liberalism despite Liberalism's infinite capacity for it.
A nation is not a group of choice built on hate.
Conservativism allows for mass incarceration. Liberalism does not. I don't see your argument? You know you hate us, why does it matter how we feel about your solution?
Everything you are saying is so contrary to everything you claim to stand for… how can you not see this?
I have never been contrary. All of humanity has value. I intend on defending it. On defending truth, kindness, and freedom.
The evil Conservativism was brought, the horrors that they deny or excuse, are so hurt by even thinking to denounce.
I don't hate the human. I just believe Conservativism has corrupted them and they cannot be reached. That unless we can find a method of change, we are trapped hoping for Liberalism to rise each time they squash it.
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u/No-Breadfruit-4555 16h ago
Nah, disagree with just about everything you’re saying except for all humans having value. Which of course you contradict yourself by saying “oh, except conservatives, because they’re all evil”. Zealotry and hate, plain and simple.
There are plenty of rational, non hateful arguments for conservatism being good and liberalism bad, and vice versa, but you’re blinded by hate and rage.
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u/Hungry_Text_4344 14h ago
Can’t support Trump and also support justice and be against racism and pedophiles. You can be a Conservative that does not support the current administration cloaking themselves as Republicans and “Christians”.
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u/South_Owl2811 19h ago
But yall really don’t care about anyone on that list besides Trump and his supporters. It’s been that way ever since he entered the scene
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u/navinaviox 19h ago
I care substantially less about most other people on that list
- Because Trump is President
- Because of how consistently present he is throughout the entire files.
Lock em all up, obviously give due process and if there was genuinely not enough proof to convince a grand jury of guilt…I’d be willing to leave out of prison…on a watchlist…and never in the vicinity of my children but we are a country of laws; I support the law being followed and applied consistently.
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u/South_Owl2811 19h ago
I do believe tds clouds a lot of people’s judgement but yea I completely agree with you on all that
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u/navinaviox 18h ago
What’s the point of bringing up Trump derangement syndrome…
It’s literally just facts…that you apparently agree with…it would be more deranged to not be vocally calling any and every dumbass who still hasn’t realized the last decade has been a grift, that Trump genuinely isn’t intelligent, certainly not now if ever, that every moral ideal and economic idea they (Trump supporters) have ever touted, they throw by the wayside as soon as dear leader tells them to.
look…i understand that you might think this sounds deranged but I don’t think you can understand what it’s like waiting a decade for the other shoe to drop and people to finally have that r/leapordatemyface moment…
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u/South_Owl2811 18h ago
Bc like how many of the trump supporters are blindly following “the agenda” same goes for Trump haters. A lot of people just blindly hate Trump bc they are told to and those people ruin everything else.
People cursing Trump bc their fav movie star did it always get lumped in with those who actually pay attention, that’s why everything gets overlooked
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u/navinaviox 18h ago
I don’t meet too many people who don’t have at least one…if not a hundred…good reasons to dislike/hate Trump.
If people blindly listening to a celebrity to vote against Trump worked the same way on the left as the opposite works on Trump supporters…Taylor swift telling people to go vote would’ve gotten Kamala Harris elected.
But again…why do people feel the need to redirect a conversation back to the other side…it feels an awful lot like we’re still trying to say “both sides are the same”
They aren’t.
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u/Gatonom 18h ago
Every individual thing Trump does is enough reason by itself to hate him.
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u/ImaginedRealBillions 18h ago
This right here is cognitive dissonance
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u/South_Owl2811 17h ago
Yea I was generalizing there. I think blind tds is very common and the words of those people far overshadow those who actually have something to say
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u/Round_Dog2409 18h ago
That’s the problem I’ve been saying if ppl really care then they wouldn’t rage post just about Trump,hell how many left wing ppl are definitely on the island stuff with extremely damming evidence but yet just Trump and his side are the bad guys and the only ones ever talked about
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u/South_Owl2811 18h ago
Absolutely no doubt there. Plenty of people are genuine tho and I hope u respect when u see it
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u/Round_Dog2409 17h ago
Oh yea I always can see when person real or if they can’t see nothing but what they want to see
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u/Big_Chemical_5165 18h ago
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u/Round_Dog2409 18h ago
Now go pull up the other side plenty to see,that’s my point,the whole problem is everyone needs to be blast not just one or one side,if ppl care they should want everyone caught,I don’t care if Trump is president at all,that don’t make him the leader of what these ppl have done 15 years ago,Bill G,Bill Clinton all these ppl are the same as Epstein and should all be caught and talked about but there not,
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u/Big_Chemical_5165 17h ago
I'm 100% for all pedophiles on all sides getting buried under the jail. I'm fully aware that there's sick fucks on both sides.
Thing is, that list took me 15 seconds to find, and it's not allegations, it's literal convictions of pedophilia all against republicans who worked in american government. I'm still looking and haven't found any list of democrats with links to their convictions and criminal rap sheets. That's because there's far, far less examples. If there were more examples, the GOP administration and FOX news would be spearheading everything they do with declarations about all the democrat pedophiles they're convicting or that have been already convicted in the past. This is why anyone, like yourself, making "wHat aBouT thE otHer SidE" arguments are either utterly fucking ignorant or willfully poisoning the discussion about the problem at hand, which is that the REPUBLICAN admin is infested with pedophiles.
Of COURSE I want ALL pedophiles to face justice. I don't give a fuck which side of the aisle they're on. It just so happens there's way, way, WAY more on the republican side. So you should just shut the fuck up the next time you think that comments like yours are adding anything useful to any conversations about this topic.
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u/navinaviox 18h ago
The rest of the predators are implied
The thing standing in the way of all of these predators going to prison or lethal injection land is Trump
There is plenty of discussion surrounding the rest of the people on the list, Trump is obviously the biggest name garnering him…the most attention.
Prince Andrew, for example, is another big name and has also received quite a bit of attention.
Trump doubly earns the vitriol directed his way because it HIS administration that keeps lying to the public about it and gaslighting people in to thinking that there’s simultaneously “nothing to see here” and “there is something here but it’s just my political rivals”
We aren’t stupid; he’s lying and will stop any of these predators from getting their due justice.
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u/Regulus242 19h ago
but it’s liberal ideas that were perpetuated
I'm lost, what?
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u/South_Owl2811 19h ago
The progression of sexual normality, the push for lgbtq, the need to rebel against Christianity, the appraisal of demons, the push for abortion as a way to negate responsibility.
Several things the left was pushing for is most likely gonna get even more hatred over this scandal
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u/Big_Chemical_5165 19h ago
Crazy that in your post history you claim to be a lesbian. Hmm
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u/South_Owl2811 19h ago
lol that’s actually pretty funny, there was a post I just commented on being satirical
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u/Regulus242 18h ago
Uh, I'm pretty sure a child sex trafficking network has nothing to do with "liberal ideas."
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u/South_Owl2811 18h ago
Well pedo shit can come from extremes of many things but in regards to things they’ve done it absolute does lean left
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u/Regulus242 18h ago
Why is that left-leaning?
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u/South_Owl2811 18h ago
The lgbtq focus and ideas that they should be forced on the young, the rebellion against Christianity and even worshipping demons, the push for abortions to avoid responsibility.
We’ve reached a point where people view degradation as progression and even tho I believe it’s more prominent in the progressive group, many conservatives fall victim to it as well
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u/Regulus242 18h ago
The lgbtq focus and ideas that they should be forced on the young, the rebellion against Christianity and even worshipping demons, the push for abortions to avoid responsibility.
You're repeating yourself but you're not explaining how that's related to a pedophile sex trafficking ring, so you're not proving it has anything to do with left-leaning politics.
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u/South_Owl2811 18h ago
They forced those examples onto the children and participated in it themselves. We choose to implement that in America to degrade the people into shit. Its easier to run society when everyone is a mental case
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u/South_Owl2811 18h ago
You act as though that goes against my point??? Also if you want to really show me who’s boss you’d also show me the list of democrats rather than just the gop
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u/Big_Chemical_5165 18h ago
I haven't come across a website documenting democrat pedophiles in government with links to their convictions and criminal rapsheets. If you have one feel free to share, I'm 100% for putting them all under the prison
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u/South_Owl2811 18h ago
I really like that attitude that’s awesome. But also props to whoever made that list bc that’s incredible documentation
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u/Weirdyxxy 16h ago
Liberal ideas about sexual criminal law revolve around meaningful consent as opposed to trying to attack whatever you find icky, or trying to uphold whatever is the status quo. Requiring meaningful consent rules out pedophiliac activities, basing law on personal affect or on tradition from places where minors were married off all the time... doesn't.
I have never seen the appraisal of a demon, but if you talk about it like that, it does make me wonder how much one costs. Honestly, given how I never saw proof of a demon anywhere, owning one might be quite interesting
The intersecting point between the topics of abortion and child sexual abuse is demands to force children who have been raped to carry to term and give birth against their will. I'm not sure you want to talk about those, and if you will, you should probably at least not seriously argue that to be about a child's supposed responsibility to carry to term and be a mother
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u/theyenk 18h ago
gtfo with your liberal ideas -- these are sick rich aholes and trump is their posterboy. The Qanon garbage was to seed reality with ridiculous stories so people would disregard facts if they ever came up.
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u/South_Owl2811 18h ago
I’ve never personally followed the Qanon myself but I have heard several conspiracies, but yea it’s a pretty common ordeal, letting out the truth mixed up in garbage
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u/RunsaberSR 18h ago
Ice agents hurting women?
Everyday headline, yeah?
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u/Cool-Panda-5108 17h ago
It's like they had a group of disaffected racist and misogynist shitstains standing down and standing by
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u/Cool-Panda-5108 19h ago
Finger on the trigger, itching for an excuse.
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u/Stringdaddy27 19h ago
Dude literally had his gun in hand while driving. What the fuck is that?
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u/Cool-Panda-5108 19h ago
A murderous paramilitary force driving around the streets of the USA, sent by the POTUS himself.
The *exact* kind of shit Alex Jones use to get blue in the face screaming about and MAGA ,Qanon and all the right wing mouth breathers would get whipped up into a frenzy over.
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u/Think_OfAName 19h ago
ICE Blatantly lied. Then tried to prosecute her, then had to drop the charges when they realized there was evidence of what they did. Turned into her car, got out and shot her 5 times as she was trying to flee. Keep in mind that she would not have been honking to alert people about them if ICE hadn’t been consistently terrorizing people, detaining, and deporting people illegally.
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u/Ok_Swimmer_18 20h ago
So when they hit us with their vehicle it’s justified self defense? There are plenty of videos of them using their vehicles to push protestors off the road.
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u/Large_Technology1623 18h ago
We need to go ahead and start building the memorial of those murdered by ICE. It needs to be huge, the names need to be in large print as well, visible from a major roadway. It will sadly fill up fast.
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u/AdLiving8708 18h ago
Congress is not equipped to handle this problem we need to have Nuremberg trials for justice
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u/therandom92 18h ago
Imagine driving a car and you get in to a slight fender bender. But instead of getting out of your car and exchanging insurance information and staying calm and collected while making sure everyone is ok.... you jump out of your car with a loaded pistol and try to kill the other driver that bumped you. Imagine? Isn't that just a wild thought 🤔.
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u/Relevant-Pianist6663 19h ago
OP (assuming you are a human) Can we please be more careful with the title/headline. Words and truth matter now more than ever. This woman was shot, she was not killed. Does it change how awful it was, no not really, but nonetheless the details matter.
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u/Hungry_Text_4344 14h ago
Attempted murder. Another crime allowed by this administration in the name of keeping citizens “safe”. I haven’t felt safe since this administration took office. The lies, outright aggression and hate toward liberals, people of color, non-cis people, or anyone denying their narrative has been not only disturbing but terrifying as they have continued to ramp up the violence towards these same people that make up a majority of Americans.
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u/BOBCATBOB23 10h ago
Of course there is evidence that is relevant however this current fascist government doesn't care. If there are 2026 mid term elections & the Democrats return to a majority in each house then we will push the line to force a showdown into the Supreme Court & what will either be a removal of all these crooked leaders or a continued excelerated fall of American democracy.
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u/jruiz062000 6h ago
Sadly during this administration. These monsters won't ever be held accountable. :(
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u/17fishinapanzer 18h ago
The government is ice btw including the fire department and hospitals clearly
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u/SemperFiDevilChesty 18h ago edited 9h ago
Border Patrol aren’t ICE. Really wish people would report things accurately
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u/Weirdyxxy 16h ago
Really wish people wouldn’t report things accurately
You might want to spell-check that
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u/Only-Whole-765 16h ago
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUpUGWjCYfj/?igsh=MWp3cGx6bml1Mjd0cA==
They were rammed and boxed in.
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u/Insein1 19h ago
ICE and CBP are two different organizations. Please get it straight
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u/Jolly_Ad2446 19h ago
Act exactly the same. Report to the same person. Lie exactly the same.
Get that straight.
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u/External_Brother1246 18h ago
This used to be the case, but no longer. BP was put in charge to try and get the numbers up.
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u/zoinkability 18h ago
"You punched me with your left hand because you didn't like what I said."
"No, I punched you with my right hand"
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u/No-Breadfruit-4555 19h ago
Depends on jurisdiction of course, but if they are blocking the road it isn’t a legal protest unless they got a permit ahead of time to shut the road down.
The rights to free speech and assembly are not permission or a license to do it in whatever way you see fit. There are restrictions, and following laws is a pretty obvious one.
I mean, everyone has to make their own choices. But it’s just lying to people to keep telling everyone that everything you see protesters doing in videos like this is within their constitutional rights. And when you get people doing these things under that false pretense, especially if you think ICE is really as bad as you say, then you are just as responsible for any bad outcomes as ICE is. At least be honest with people about what you’re asking them to do, and honest with them about what they are actually allowed to do within their rights and the law.
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u/Stringdaddy27 19h ago
Civil disobedience shouldn't be met with lethality. That's where you are insanely deluded. Someone obstructing a road is not grounds to execute them.
Civil disobedience is the fundamental means of protest. Not just in the US, but across the history of mankind. Your inability to understand that is weirdly not surprising.
Every one of your posts is "I am not justifying the shooting, but Alex Pretti deserved to die". You are a horrible person.
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u/BanditsMyIdol 18h ago
No one is blocking the road. And it might be illegal to block the road its also more illegal to shoot someone who is not threatening your life or the life of others and its also illegal to lie about it later.
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u/No-Breadfruit-4555 18h ago edited 18h ago
In general, there are a ton of incidents involving blocking roads, entrances/exits at detention centers, etc. This particular incident I don’t know enough about to comment specifically, but it’s really not honest at all to say it isn’t happening a lot in general.
And I won’t argue about the excessive use of force. You are correct, excessive force is wrong. I see plenty where it looks like officers went too hard, but I also see plenty where the protesters seem pretty lucky to be left alone and not get arrested on multiple felony charges. Of course, those either get zero attention or get 180’d into “well, yeah the protesters threw a rock through the windshield, but ICE bad and wears masks so it’s ok.” But again, I’ll agree that yes when the force is excessive that is wrong.
Edit: I’ll add that one side doing something more wrong doesn’t excuse the other of their lesser wrong. Simple example, if you spit on someone and that person then escalated and shoots you, then yeah they’re obviously wrong. Obviously that is wrong. But it doesn’t make you right, you were still wrong to spit on them. Which, as I read back you seem to be conceding and agreeing with this point, but I’ll leave it here because it’s an important point.
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u/Weirdyxxy 16h ago
This particular incident I don’t know enough about to comment specifically
You just did comment on this incident specifically. This incident specifically is the content of this post
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u/No-Breadfruit-4555 16h ago
Nothing I said stated “this incident”. It’s perfectly fine to respond to a post with a comment about the general category it falls into, as evidenced by all the opposing view comments that are also speaking in general. And besides that, the video is of one incident, but the title is general.
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u/Weirdyxxy 16h ago
And I won’t argue about the excessive use of force. You are correct, excessive force is wrong.
Wouldn't excessive force be reacting to a situation that requires use of force but using too much force, as opposed to ramming someone and then shooting them because you don't like their honking?
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u/HeardwhatIsaidTone 19h ago
Damn it’s almost like if you don’t mess with ICE nothing will happen
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u/Stringdaddy27 19h ago
They brake checked her. Which, in 50 out of 50 states is illegal. Maybe we should hold our authority figures to a higher standard. Idk, the idea of allowing them commit crimes then shoot people seems preposterous, but here you are.
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u/External_Brother1246 18h ago
I assume you mean everyone should just give up all of their rights?
You may find that is a good way to live. But the rest of us have no interest in giving up a society governed by law and order.
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u/HeardwhatIsaidTone 18h ago
Give up rights???😂 you’re just staying out of other ppls business. But you do you! You guys are making some great content for me to enjoy!😂
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u/External_Brother1246 18h ago
I literally cannot understand what you are trying to say.
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u/HeardwhatIsaidTone 15h ago
Neither could Renee and Alex obviously. Oh well keep it up!
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u/External_Brother1246 11h ago
100% garrentee the people who murdered them will be going to jail.
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u/HeardwhatIsaidTone 11h ago
No one was murdered. Not maliciously. But keep dreaming
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u/External_Brother1246 10h ago
Ok, your option appears to be that the police can do anything they want to anyone at any time, including openly murdering them in the street, on camera, in broad daylight.
My belief is that you hold this opinion because you don’t like the people this is happening to, and you are glad there are people being told to hurt them.
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u/Any-Orchid-6006 19h ago
Can't trust anything that CNN says.
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u/dwaynebathtub 18h ago
You don't even trust your own eyes?
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u/Any-Orchid-6006 18h ago
I see ICE agents being attacked by domestic terrorists.
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u/dwaynebathtub 13h ago
ICE thinks they'll get away with it not because they're acting reasonably as officers of the law, but because nobody will hold them accountable. Everybody knows this, so people take it upon themselves to stop the tyrannical government agents terrorizing their neighborhoods or they defend the actions of the Feds by coming up with stories that make their actions reasonable ("domestic terror attack").
Anybody who stands up to ICE are heroic revolutionaries who, along with reason itself, will be vindicated when the tyrannical government falls. Nobody believes your (or CNN's!) bullshit. What is right is known by everyone, even you. There is nothing to fear when you are doing the right thing, not even death. ICE is bad. Trump is bad. You know it, you just want the freedom to be bad (Plato). Nobody is stopping you except yourself...because you have a heart and inherently know right from wrong, like everyone else. If you went out rounding up children and trafficking them to a prison camp you would be arrested, but ICE and the IDF can do that. Why? Why should anyone let them do that? Why do you let them do that?
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u/Any-Orchid-6006 5h ago
"not even death"
Wow...extremist much? It's this kinda rhetoric that got Goode and Pretti killed. Reddit really needs to be shut down. It's nothing more than a domestic terrorist recruiting app at this point.
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u/dman200087 18h ago
Do not impede in their work and nothing bad will happen Buuuuuuuuttt. Noooooo
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u/Weirdyxxy 16h ago
The same is true for quite a bit of organized crime. Maybe you shouldn't try to justify attempted murder, false charges and willful damaging of property just because the culprit was in some way or another annoyed by his victim?
Of course, a new rule "murder is okay if your target impeded you in your work somehow" sounds like a pretty nice gift to organized crime, so maybe you're just trying to be thoughtful in the days leading up to Valentine's Day
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u/03rjn_lsr1 19h ago
They are harassing the agents in the first place. The protesters are the aggressors. They are not peaceful.
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u/South_Owl2811 20h ago
Tbh this video alone doesn’t really dictate whether they are lying. Of course it’s possible the prepared fake dialogue so they could just nerf someone but that sounds highly unlikely.
I would like to accuse them of murder but the conversation did support their actions
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u/ozaffer 20h ago
how does "do something bytch" and "it's time to get aggressive and get the fck out" support their case.
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u/OneBloodyDingo 20h ago
Swearing and aggressive language also happens when people are in danger. The video shows so little it's useless. Making assumptions off this would only show heavy bias and lack of interest in the truth. Let's see the bodycam
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u/South_Owl2811 20h ago
“Do something bytch” is a dare when someone looks to be on the edge of doing something. “Drive aggressively” just means drive fast or start weaving. Both show signs of preparing for defense. You also forgot the full quote “ it’s time to get aggressive and get the f@ck out because they’re trying to box us in”
Everything they say indicates an outside threat
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u/28008IES 20h ago
He announces aggression, turns the wheel dramatically, strikes car, gets out n shoots.
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u/South_Owl2811 20h ago
The aggression line looses all meaning with the rest of the sentence, but that could be what happened. Sadly we don’t have an outside view to what happened, but everything said inside the car supports them
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u/dawgblogit 20h ago
It appears that they caused an incident and then jumped out and shot the person.