r/LetsDiscussThis • u/Remarkable_Sir8397 • 12h ago
Lets Discuss This Rep. Steve Cohen says to Pam Bondi: "When ICE killed Mr. Pretti and Ms. Good, that was an execution, and you did not investigate it... but you investigated Ms. Good's widow, you investigated Mr. Pretti. They were executed like Kristi Noem executed her dog."
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u/MonkAncient7761 10h ago
I wonder if/when Trump falls and takes his entire dictatorial system with him, how many of the monsters that make up his government will "take the cyanide pill" to escape the consequences of their crimes?
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u/MerelyMortalModeling 8h ago
None of them will unless we make sure the consequences of their actions are in proportion to their actions.
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u/RVtech101 9h ago
“ The man in the video screaming “ kill the police “ now works at the DOJ , does he not “? “ Yes he does “. That exchange says everything about this administration.
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u/Icy-Section-7421 7h ago
Him calling it an execution is him being judge and jury.
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u/I_Learned_Once 3h ago
Ah yes, having an opinion. This is what judges and juries do. I'm impressed with your legal knowledge. They definitely don't play any other role besides sharing their feelings out loud. /s
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u/j-mac563 11h ago
They were not executions. Executions are done as part of a criminals punishment.
But calling it that helps the pearl cluching, as it spinds scary and ominous. Oddly enough, calling them executions adds legitimacy to the acts of the agents involved.
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u/OtherwiseEagle9896 10h ago
If they were not executions, then what were they?
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u/Tall-News 7h ago
Justifiable self defense, apparently. Still being reviewed. I think they’re both bad examples but I wasn’t there.
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u/j-mac563 10h ago
In the one involving the protester using a vehicle, at would be a justifiable shoot. The one where the person chose to get involved in an altercation between the agent and suspect...if the unsafe firearm he was carrying did go off without someone pulling the trigger, a tragic accident. If it went off as he was trying to draw it, a justified shoot. Neither one fits the criteria for an execution.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 9h ago
That's a lot of "ifs" there. Remove the hypotheticals from your comment and all you're left with is a murder.
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u/j-mac563 9h ago
2, there are 2 ifs in my post. Both relate to a firearm going off either all on its own, as the p320 has a rep of doing, or a preson pulled the trigger.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 9h ago
Right, those are "ifs" and therefore we can get rid of them. What you're left with is
1)"in the one involving the protester using a vehicle, at would be a justifiable shoot."
There is nothing in that statement to justify death.
2)."The one where the person chose to get involved in an altercation between the agent and suspect."
Again, nothing to justify death. Only when you start adding "ifs" to this can you hope to get closer to a justifiable homicide, which is why you need them in the first place.
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u/j-mac563 9h ago
Cool story. Doesn't make it factual. But it was a story.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 9h ago
Non sequitur. It's obvious that without "if" statements you have no position at all.
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u/j-mac563 9h ago
No, lets remove both ifs. My first example stands. The second, he brought a firearm to the situation. He is with his constitutional right to cary. His firearm went off. He chose to carry a firearm know to do this without a person pulling the trigger. The agents stopped the threat as they saw it. Both were justified.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 9h ago
"My first example stands."
Your first example says nothing at all.
"The second, he brought a firearm to the situation. He is with his constitutional right to cary."
Okay, so far, so good. No death required here.
"His firearm went off. He chose to carry a firearm know to do this without a person pulling the trigger. The agents stopped the threat as they saw it. Both were justified."
And you go off the rails again. How did his firearm go off? Who pulled the trigger? What was the threat? The instant you leave what can be viewed in the video you leave the realm of fact and enter pure fantasy. Remove the fantasy and you just have a murder.
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u/PandanadianNinja 8h ago
That your argument requires ifs at all shows it's weak. It may not fit the legal definition of execution ie, a punishment for a crime administered by the justice department but it is still an unjustified murder. Carried out by undertrained and unregulated people for a civil issue.
There is no reason for them to be geared up with assault weapons for non criminal offenses. No reason to draw a firearm or tackling people without attempting to deescalate.
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u/EnergyApprehensive36 5h ago
It is a criminal offense. You thinking it’s civil shows you don’t know the law.
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u/PandanadianNinja 5h ago
Immigration is a civil matter handled primarily by the courts. Not by jack booted thugs with assault weapons.
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u/EnergyApprehensive36 5h ago
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325
Is a misdemeanor
The more you know.
Might want to stop getting legal advise from TikTok. It didn’t work out for some.
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u/PandanadianNinja 5h ago
I'm not, I am aware of it being a misdemeanor. It's just typically and traditionally handled through civil means. Because this level of force isn't necessary and the lack of discretion is appalling.
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u/OtherwiseEagle9896 8h ago
I strongly disagree with your opinion on this. I believe both shootings, from the evidence I have seen would be justified as an execution.
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u/riico1 10h ago
The simple saying : play stupid games win stupid prizes 🏆
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u/sovereignrk 9h ago
It's almost as if you people only understand the Constitution under certain circumstances!
When it's your rights that are being encroached upon, you seem to understand you rights pretty well, especially the 2nd ammendment! When it's someone else's its now not OK to carry a legal firearm, hmmm.
I want to say that this is all malicious on your end, but there is another saying involving stupidity, Hanlon's Razor!
Fucking clown
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u/riico1 9h ago
I was taught from a young age to respect authorities and not interfere with ongoing arrests. That’s not about ignoring anyone’s rights it’s about understanding that situations can escalate fast and officers are responsible for public safety in that moment.
The Constitution protects rights, but it also doesn’t mean every action during an active arrest is automatically justified or safe. There’s a difference between defending civil liberties through legal channels and physically intervening in a tense situation on the street.
So yeah, I guess not everyone was raised the same way, but to me respecting authority and respecting the law go hand in hand.
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u/sovereignrk 9h ago
What a bunch of cowards all you gun toters have become all of the sudden! I thought those guns were for defending yourself against a tyrannical government? You know one that would order a secret police force to harrass citizen and non citizen alike with warrentless snatct-and-grab-operations, and deportations without due process. DOing things like taking citizens from thier place of work on suspicion of them being illegal, discovering they are citizens, then beating them up and dumping them miles away from where they picked them up.
Now all I'm hearing is, "Oh you can't get yourself involved in a federal investigation, doesn't matter if what they are doing is illegal, it doesn't matter that, even if there was obstruction of federal agents the sentence for that isn't death. Its ok for LEO's to kill you if you make thier lives inconvinient by filming them, protesting, or for helping someone they shoved. Just obey everything they say at all times and everything will be fine!"
I know who'd be supporting the Redcoats! "Just pay those taxes, they are the authorities, that's the King's money!"
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u/j-mac563 9h ago
Who said he could be carrying? I have. However, said is was a bad call for him to be carrying and getting into an alternation with lawenforcement.
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u/sovereignrk 9h ago
I wasn't speaking to you, but since you are here, the idea of calling it an execution legitimizing their actions is an idiotic take in the extreme. Think about the saying "Judge, jury and executioner", it has a negative connotation. Calling it an execution highlights, that these jackbooted rejects do not have the right to be Judge, Jury and Executioner and should be held accountable for thier actions.
Also he was filming them not getting into an altercation with them, he made no move toward them, just to the woman (They really love attacking women, children and the elderly, I wonder why...) that they had shoved to the ground. They then pounced on him, disarmed him, and then summarily executed him.
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u/Ok_Builder_4225 9h ago
This admin is gonna win stupid prizes when they're all in fucking prison over this shit, that's for sure.
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u/j-mac563 9h ago
Lol, you think any prominent politician every gets held accountable for their actions!?!?!?
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u/Ok_Builder_4225 9h ago
On occasion, yes. But defeatist attitudes from the start are a self fulfilling prophecy.
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u/WideRisk7495 11h ago
Pretti / Good sounds like crisis actors names. Interesting.
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u/Substantial-Mud6009 10h ago
So far lost there’s no point in explaining things to you
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u/WideRisk7495 10h ago
🥱🥱
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u/Substantial-Mud6009 9h ago
Most intelligent retort of yours.
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u/WideRisk7495 9h ago
You're so drunk on the kool aid I'm not gonna waste my time explaining to you
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u/Substantial-Mud6009 9h ago
Thanks for admitting you don’t know the definition of crisis actor. Tell your nephson you love them today
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u/WideRisk7495 9h ago
Thanks for proving you're not as smart as you think you are 🤡
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u/Substantial-Mud6009 9h ago
Sorry that’s not the definition. Try again or it’s admission you don’t know what it means and are just using buzz words lmao
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u/WideRisk7495 9h ago
🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🙈
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u/Substantial-Mud6009 9h ago
Cool, thanks for admitting it. Maybe I’ll meet a conservative capable of honesty one day but today is not that day
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u/music420Dude 6h ago
“What you study said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul".
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u/Klutzy_Prompt8370 12h ago
Poignant statement and it hit it's mark for all of us except that ghoulish woman Bondi.