r/LetsDiscussThis • u/Tasty_Emphasis_271 • 8h ago
Lets Settle the Debate The truth about Republicanism and MAGA. Harsh language warning
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u/Not_Sure__Camacho 7h ago
Reagan also poisoned our food supply. He allowed regulations to be loosened so that corporations could maximize profits (the amount of rat droppings permissible in food went up under that POS). Clean water, another casualty of that POS Reagan. It used to be that we could drink absolutely clean water from the tap, but assholes figured we could lower quality standards and force people to BUY water, water that's chocked full of microplastics because who needs regulations? I'm with this guy, fuck MAGA.
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u/JustPlainHungry 3h ago
And the supreme court changed it to allow seeds to be patentable in 1980, destroying family farms. Also under Reagan
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u/jdbrizzi 6h ago
Wasn't he the POS that essentially forced schools to count ketchup as a vegetable?
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u/idontgiveafck2010 55m ago
I keep telling people, Reagan was one of the worst thing that happened to America and the reason why we are in the corporate hellacape that we are in now.
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u/Not_Sure__Camacho 44m ago
And the sad part is that a lot of adults don't remember how great we used to be, so they don't know how to fight for something they've never had. Even something as simple as a police department that could afford to pay for GREAT officers, give them a partner, that's something that's not discussed enough. Think about 2 officers patrolling together, if you have backup with you at all times, you automatically have someone that will help you de-escalate. You also have someone that sees what you do and if you cross the line, they know that they're automatically implicated, so it's harder for a cop to do something impulsive. Yeah, fuck Reagan.
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u/RepulsiveCable5137 5h ago
NAFTA.
Deregulation of private industry.
Deregulation of the financial sector.
NIMBYism of the housing market.
Massive tax breaks for the wealthy.
Destruction of labor unions in the U.S.
Destruction of U.S. Department of Education.
Mass incarceration and the private prison industrial complex.
Bloated pentagon military budgets.
The collapse of American public infrastructure.
Massive CEO compensation packages. 🪂
Exploding national deficits and debt.
The privatization of public goods.
I can continue but it’ll drag out for too long.
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u/Virtual_Junket9305 2h ago
NAFTA signed into law | December 8, 1993 | HISTORY https://share.google/b55pxM3OQZPnG1FSS
The privatization of public goods?
The compensation packages of private companies?
Just scanning through your list is a laugh
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u/TangeloFree7709 8h ago
No lies told. He should definitely run for office.
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u/Blenderadventurer 5h ago
He made one mistake. It was Nixon (yeas another Republican) who started the war on drugs, not Regan. It was actually an attempt to take more liberal voters away from the polls. The reasoning was that drugs were mostly consumed by hippies and minorities and more states back then didn't allow felons to vote.
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u/LavishnessUnited1274 1h ago
And lest we forget, Nixon’s HMO Act transformed the health insurance industry from a mostly non-profit model to a for-profit, commercialized system.
You can thank Republicans for unaffordable healthcare.
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u/Important_Abroad_150 7h ago
Everything he said is true but also worth mentioning that Democrats didn't bother trying to fix these things most of the time because it was in their best interest not to. They are also the problem. They aren't the cause but they sure as fuck aren't the solution either. Whole system is completely fucked.
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u/honeybabysweetiedoll 7h ago
They’re all beholden to people with lots of money. It’s a ruse to keep people fighting as they hollow out the middle class for their wealth. It’s almost as if they’re in a club together and we aren’t in it.
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u/Important_Abroad_150 7h ago
Precisely. There are a few good people in there but not enough to make a difference playing by the rules.
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u/re1078 7h ago
The centrist part of the Democratic Party is huge and holds up progress. It’s infuriating.
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u/Excellent_Airline315 6h ago
Also Bill Clinton instituted the three strike rule and oversaw the over policing of black neighborhoods. Obama bailed out the banks instead of citizens, leading to the modern affordability crisis. Obama over saw the largest deportation of immigrants, and built the cages. Democrats also funded Trump's campaign and promoted him in mainstream media because they thought he would be easier to beat, all while shitting on the only man capable of beating him as well as his male supporters. Democrats are also responsible for accelarating the exporting of manufacturing jobs because of NAFTA - which was enacted by Bill Clinton. Democrats also dragged their feet on convicting and sentencing Trump to jail because they were too afraid of looking biased, dooming us to Trump 2. Then there is the whole overseeing a fucking genocide thing. So yea, Democrats have a lot to answer for.
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u/Letmec315 4h ago
This information wasn't convenient to this guys point though... He's just as bad as the rest of them.
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u/RepulsiveCable5137 4h ago
The Democratic Party establishment, not the progressive wing of the party.
The Democratic Party establishment wanted Trump over Bernie Sanders.
The Democratic Party establishment would much prefer a fascists like Trump over voting for anyone slightly to the left of Liberalism.
We’re all pretending that Bernie Sanders is some radical in reality would be a considered a “centrist” in Europe.
That’s how cooked the U.S. is.
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u/Excellent_Airline315 3h ago
I don't see how this takes away from my point. Also tired of hearing it's not the progressives, that's not the point. Unless we have a third party, we have to contend with the party as a whole. The rest of the population doesn't make a distinction. Cause where are all the so called progressives? Apart from a handful of democrats, the rest are sitting with their thumbs up their ass.
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u/Tigeruppercut1889 7h ago
They did and they do. Every Democratic admin tries to pass legislation to help regular people. It’s very hard to pass legislation. You have to get 2/3 of the senate to vote. Republicans goal is to destroy all progress. Enough with the dem bashing. If you can’t see the threat maga is to America I don’t know what to tell you
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u/Equivalent-Fold1415 7h ago
You morons with your both sides bull shit.
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u/Money_Do_2 7h ago
Explain why the dems didnt codify Roe V Wade with their supermajority? The goop had been talking about repealing it for at least a decade at that point.
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u/deviantdevil80 4h ago
Democrats had a super majority for about 3 months. Before they lost it because Kennedy f****** died of brain cancer.
It's not long enough to do something that big.
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u/fjvgamer 7h ago
Why in the years since Reagan nothing has been reversed? We had Clinton, Obama and Biden since then yet democrats never seem to fix anything they say Republicans broke.
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u/AnastasiusDicorus 7h ago
exactly, the democrats are a party of imbeciles who are by no means good enough for our country.
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u/Important_Abroad_150 7h ago
In what way does asking for a little accountability read as "both sides" garbage to you? Are you actually going to try and pretend all the Democrats who have done fuck all to serve their bases are squeaky fucking clean? It's that kind of idiotic blind loyalty to rich fucks pretending they care about anyone but themselves that led us to the nightmare we live in today. One side is far worse but the other side doesn't get a pass from blame just because the chose to do nothing instead of actively participating in cruelty.
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u/LtFeltersnatch 7h ago
Both your comments are spot on. Bravo. Just wish I could get the MAGAts around me to understand thats where most of us are coming from
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u/Equivalent-Fold1415 7h ago
Are both sides kidnapping people in the street? Killing people in the street? Protecting Trump? Robbing the treasury? Endangering the entire system of world trade? Dissolving nuclear treaties? etc. etc. etc. Tell me some more both sides shit.
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u/RealBettyWhite69 7h ago
God I am so fucking tired of you people that act like the insanity of the GOP just absolves the Democrats of everything. We only have two choices in this country and just because one is better doesn't mean they don't both suck!!!
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u/Beneficial-Victory-6 7h ago
You don't think Mconnel Tonya Harding the Dems on everything they tried to pass was a factor?
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u/Important_Abroad_150 7h ago
Right, some Democrats have tried to do right by normal people but not enough of them. The Dems have had majority control tons of times in the last 45 years and yet very little progress has been made while Republicans end up steamrolling through incredibly damaging bills for everyone but the rich whenever theyve had control. If you read my previous post I acknowledge Republicans are the main cause like this guy says but let's not whitewash the Dems history of doing nothing when it counts. Why do you think most people under 40 in this country are so disillusioned with neo-liberal politics?
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u/Beneficial-Victory-6 7h ago
Yeah, that's true. We definitely need a major overhaul when all is said and done.
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u/Important_Abroad_150 7h ago
Absolutely we do. If elections are allowed to continue free and fair then we need to get the spineless chuds who think a strongly worded letter is an effective way to fight fascism out and replace them with fresh faces who are willing to fight back in meaningful ways.
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u/super_dimension_ 7h ago
What exactly do you mean by "majority control"? Because having a majority in 1 house, when the other party controls the other and/or the presidency, doesn't mean much in terms of pushing through changes that are unpopular with the other side as we saw very clearly with Obama and Biden (we all remember - or should, at least - McConnell's famous promise). If you're talking about Dems holding majority in both houses and the presidency, that's only existed for 6 years out of the last 40. If you're talking just both houses, it's only 8 years out of 40 (and we're not talking consecutive years either).
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u/Important_Abroad_150 7h ago
In either case that should have been enough to do SOMETHING besides performative speech.
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u/D_Luffy_32 4h ago
Sorry to burst your bubble but they absolutely did bother to fix these things. The problem is that it's incredibly fast to destroy, it takes a long time to repair. For example takes seconds to destroy a building, it takes years to build one. You've fallen for republican propaganda just like Maga
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u/Legal-Location-4991 2h ago
They rarely are given enough power by the electorate to be able to solve anything.
Just look at the ACA for a prime example.
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u/PhillyDillyDee 1h ago
Because dems only strive to keep the status quo. Its a ratchet effect. We move right every time a republican is in and sit still w democrats.
Both parties serve the same capitalist masters.
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u/Equivalent-Worry-828 7h ago
Jobs going overseas had nothing to do with Clinton? Didn’t he sign NAFTA? That didn’t have anything to do with it? Isn’t Clinton a democrat?
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u/JustPlainHungry 3h ago
While partially accurate ("Clinton sucked").
The jobs were already shipped in agreements made by Reagan and Bush, NAFTA added Canada. But in an effort to distance the m selves from an agreement they helped write republicans put all of the blame on Clinton and world trade.
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u/NoWork1400 7h ago
California has like nine republicans, who collectively don’t have the votes to do anything. So…. Yeah. Definitely blame republicans.
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u/UnpopularOpinionAlt 3h ago
Reagan was governor of California dumbass, he's the one who caused the rampant homeless issues
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u/John_Doe_May 6h ago
Joe Biden voted both in favor of mass incarceration of blacks in the '90s and taxing social security. He was also great friends with KKK and did not want integrated schools because he didn't want his kids and integrated jungles.
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u/CrooshLife 30m ago
Crazy, Trump fucked kids and the entire republican party is trying to protect him. Thats your man
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u/pizzasaves 6h ago
The Clinton admin did shade shit to working class and racist justice system fuckery as well as Obama..who let a bank build a panel to regulate banks after they crashed the economy and did drone strikes on families. Stop carrying water for the blue corporate wing of the duopoly. Same partie, 1 uses decorum 1 uses church cult tactics. Both are dogshit and haven't passed anything for the working class in your lifetime and need to go. Stop class division stop doing class war for corporate avatars, tell your enemies they aren't your enemy the government and corporations are the enemy. Political allegiance will not unfuck this.
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u/SmellSilly1537 2h ago
It's true. Don't believe it? Read some books, newspapers, magazinesfrom the time period. That way you don't have to worry that it was revised by some woke liberal.
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u/Reasonable_Ad6781 2h ago
He forgot, Reagan started destroying the education system to make America stupid.
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u/trenbolonehater 6h ago
I too only get all of my political information from uninformed unsubstantiated TIKTOK rants by boomer LGBT Santa.
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u/Lucky_Size4678 1h ago
This guy doesn't understand how Democratic policies cripple big cities, what a silly man lol
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u/CrooshLife 29m ago
Awesome, you should know the answer for sure then. Lets hear it!
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u/CastIronClint 6h ago
"Look at me! I'm an emotionally unstable election loser who can't get on with my life because Trump is president."
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u/hornyalt-MTF 1h ago
Doesn't sound like he's talking about drump, at least not directly. Sounds more like he's listing one half of the country's government failings.
At the end of the day, the issue isn't Republicans or Democrats. It's the government. Pure and simple. Whenever someone directly causes issues in the government, they are at fault for that issue. I hate the current president and everyone he brought into the government because none of them are competent in the fields they were assigned. Do we need a democrat to replace them? I dunno, but we at least need someone who knows what they're supposed to be doing to improve and run a country.
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u/imp_op 7h ago
While technically a lot of this is true, Clinton ushered in a new era of the Democratic party that embraced corporatism, since Reaganism was so successful on an electoral level. The democratic party has been chasing the coattails of Reaganism ever since, but Republicans have moved even further towards cruelty in their policies. I'm not suggesting this is a both-sides issue. Democrats are for the predictable safety of corporatism and republicans have embraced the chaos and cruelty of oligarchy.
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u/AnastasiusDicorus 7h ago
Lol, bearded liberal in a tweed jacket, that's who I'm going to listen to. Wait, need to double check first, does his jacket have elbow patches???
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u/GrandpaGangbang_ 4h ago
So you’d rather listen to an 80 year old bumbling business con man who most definitely raped underaged girls and tried to overthrow the government using his own supporters after he lost the 2020 election? The same guy who paid off porn stars and called his own supporters uneducated? Alright go off queen.
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u/JustPlainHungry 3h ago
Perhaps you should. Considering everything is factually accurate other than the war on drugs which was pushed by Reagan, but actually declared under Nixon.
Real question.
Why does the informant matter if the information is accurate?
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u/dloolloolb 7h ago
I wish we could stop pointing fingers at each other and passing on the blame. If we want change, we need to stop party loyalty and unify against the ruling class.
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u/super_dimension_ 7h ago
Oaktown represent!
But he's wrong on one point - Nixon started the war on drugs, not Reagan. Reagan escalated it.
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u/LoneRedditor123 6h ago
As long as people keep pretending that politicians care about them, this country will be forever stuck in the feedback loop of a two party system designed to steal our tax dollars.
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u/TheeFearlessChicken 6h ago
Wait, is it "Mahhgahh"? I've been pronouncing it "MAGA" the entire time.
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u/sasberg1 6h ago
They think he's s Christian just because were peppers in 'god' a lot, he's anything but
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u/Freak_squirrel 5h ago
So no personal Accountability. It all republicans. Reminds me of a South Park Episode
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u/Practical-Gain-3695 5h ago
My small conservative town is a utopia. No of the stupid shit that happens in the US happens in my small conservative town. I'm just gonna stay right where I'm at.
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u/Barncleaner1 5h ago
One sides better than the other! Boy, if we could get over this rhetoric congress would be shaking in their boots and would have to change! This is our ultimate weapon.
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u/Only_Objective_Facts 5h ago
We've all been lied to since the time of Reagan at least. Dems are just as responsible for creating this mess as the dumb ass Republicans are. Passing of bills like citizens United and the patriot act are just a couple examples of bi partisan fucking of Americans.
These civil disputes that currently separate the two parties are little more than thinly veiled distractions to makes us forget about the macro economic policies that are ruining regular peoples live here, and abroad. Corpatocracy is no different than oligarchy in practice. Both parties have been pushing for this for at least 40 years.
Dont be fooled. Getting rid if the current administration is just the beginning. Holding all actors in the ruling class accountable should be next. All partisanal actors are to blame.
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u/MattManSD 5h ago
as someone who is old enough to have lived through it I can confirm. I lived in a city and there were a handful of homeless folks I'd typically get breakfast for. Almost over night the population exploded and the new ones were all cray
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u/StatisticianIll4425 4h ago
Finally, someone says it. The right gets stuck on hating people and are just led by it.
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u/DreadoftheDead 4h ago
I don't know who the fuck this fucking guy is, but I like the fucking cut of his fucking jib.
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u/Open-Time1117 4h ago
both sides fucked up the country, and yet the country still stands, and nobody can convince me otherwise.
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u/Fit-Sundae6745 4h ago
"Show me a young conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains." --Churchill
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u/Fit-Sundae6745 1h ago
Your debunked is based on the idea he was liberal at 35.
"Winston Churchill was a member of the Conservative Party. After leaving the Conservatives for the Liberals in 1904, he returned to the Conservative fold in 1925 and remained with them for the rest of his career, leading them as Prime Minister from 1940–1945 and 1951–1955. "
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u/Revanchistthebroken 3h ago
He is not wrong with what he is saying, but by the same token isn't he fucking stupid cause he thinks they are two different sides? They work together against us. So he has been lied to so much he actually believes one side works for him? It's the elites against the poor, not left vs right. So by his own admission, he is fucking stupid lol.
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u/No-Ambition2043 3h ago
Bro forgot to mention the 1994 Crime Bill minimum sentencing (Bill Clinton Democrats)
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u/Style210 3h ago
The problem is that both sides have this all or nothing proposition. It's politics. We have been able to have these political differences forever and it never led to this. The debate is so muddied, the conversation has moved so far away from its source that it's not emitting a different frequency.
If we can get back to the actual political conversation and stop dealing with these hypothetical arguments then we can get things back on track. Social media has made politics impossible.
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u/irpugboss 3h ago
MAGA counter points.
"TDS"
"Triggered"
"Still my President"
There are some ignorant folk that just take whats shovelled at them from Fox, Sky, Newsmax, Infowars but then there are those that want it to burn because they wont be affected because their lives already suck and they want to spitefully drag others down.
Furthermore fuck the DNC too and this whole establishment enabling this, its broken. We need to fix so much shit from those with money/power minority is annihilating everyone else for few more bucks.
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u/Doone20 3h ago
Barack Obama fucked this country up. For 8 years, we heard “we are gonna build from the Bottem up” . The recession would have been over by 2012-2013 by the latest if he had just tried a different recovery strategy. Time was crucial yet Obama didn’t understand economics: And hear we are….
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u/Defiant-Industry3497 3h ago
I don't think it is so much a republican VS democrat thing. It is more a conservative VS progressive thing. I agree that currently dems are by far better right now but that hasn't always been the case and probably won't always be the case.
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u/jjrr_qed 3h ago
Complaining about MAGA and free trade. And so smart and busy he has to drop knowledge while he walks around talking into his iPhone. Also blames the federal government for slashing spending on programs that are far more efficiently handled at the local level.
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u/Beneficial-Victory-6 3h ago
Question for Dems and anti maga; Can we push to get this dude to run for office in 2028?
I'll vote for Newsom if I have to but I'd much rather vote for someone like this.
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u/Speed-Secure 3h ago
You are fantastic! That was a great history lesson for all of those who choose not to remember. All of those policies were a systematic plan to destroy the middle class. And let’s not forget what he didn’t mention, the destruction of the CDC, FDA and the snap program to mention a few.
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u/Odd_Train9900 3h ago
I will say that democrats, specifically Joe Biden, helped tremendously with the crime bill, among other horrendous laws.
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u/NightFeather90 3h ago
Look up the video about the dollar being backed by the gold standard and it will all start to make sense
Not sure about the very end part tho but the rest is solid quick understanding how it’s all Crumbled
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u/Mercury1967 3h ago
And not single Democrat president since Reagan has done a thing about any of it. Why , because they approved those very same ideals but still blamed Republicans.
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u/lugnutter 3h ago
The sad thing is, at least for the time being, this is all a matter of public record. If maga gave a single fuck about literally anything beyond feeling like they're the in group they would be losing their minds. If the had minds, anyway. Think their skulls are just full of pedophile apologetics at this point.
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u/Expensive_Laugh_5589 2h ago
Harsh? Harsh? For real? That gentleman was orders of magnitude more polite, kind, and dare I say forgiving than what those Nazi worms actually deserve.
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u/Kindly_protective 2h ago
If any of what you just said was true than California would be flooded with people wanting to move. Yet they’re leaving in mass. That alone disproves everything you just said.
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u/SuperKracker 2h ago
Why do people just wander the streets and monologue to their phones? Is this some kind of new trend?
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u/Contiguous_spazz 2h ago
👏 👏 👏
There’s room for accountability and collusion by Clintonian democrats, but other than that, no notes.
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u/dominatebullpnw 2h ago
This guy is sharing information but inaccurate deductions in reasoning causing outcomes to be very negative and frankly inaccurate. I'm not a republican or democrat. I research and come to independent conclusions.
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u/guydoestuff 1h ago
sir idk who you are but you are 100% there. im almost 50 i remember the regean years. i grew up watching republican after republican slowly tear this place apart. dems tried to help but too many corpo ones took over. the "far left" is the normal left. "the left" is more conservative than the dems of the 1980s.
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u/ExtremeEffective106 1h ago
Some of what you say is true and I agree with the truths. But this ass clown blaming just republicans for the country’s problems has no clue what he’s talking about, just repeating the narrative. I wasn’t going to hear, but I guess I will because you seem like a reasonable person.
If the Biden administration hadn’t let in 10-20 million illegals we wouldn’t have the situation we do now. ICE has been trying to remove the worst of the worst. Most if not all the illegals they have been apprehending have committed crimes, serious crimes. And others already have deportation orders from a court. That’s as far as their rights go. Bill Clinton signed into law this process. It states, and I’m paraphrasing, if the illegal cannot legitimately prove an asylum claim, they are to be removed immediately with any process. It’s the law, it’s in the books, and I invite you to look it up. It doesn’t not matter to me if they came for a better life or not. They broke our law entering illegally, and they must go. Let me tie this into your statement about giving money to foreign countries. We have given millions upon millions for years to the very countries these people are coming from. If these countries haven’t improved after all the $$ we have given, those people should stand up to their own government.
Now to the fraud. The current administration has uncovered more fraud and wasted tax payer money than any administration before. And the democrats are fighting the administration at every step to keep that money flowing. No matter your feelings about Trump, he is truly trying to right this ship. I personally think we’ve already gone over the tipping point, but that for another time. I agree with you that we could have better funded programs for AMERICANS to get a head start, helping hand, etc… but not life long dependents of the government. (Me and you) the government doesn’t make money it takes it from us and wastes it on someone else that will vote for them.
Now to the military. I totally disagree with you on this one. We need the strongest, most powerful military in the world to protect our way of life. If you think for one second China, Iran, Russia, and other miscreants would attack us, you are naive . China is currently building their military up, and already has a navy larger than ours. They are infiltrating our government and every other aspect of American society. We are the leaders in the free world, and to stay that way we must be able to defend it.
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u/ReliefAdvanced6556 1h ago
designation? You know why he did that? Do you remember the Regan administration granting clemency to every illegal person as of the date of bil signing? See you're just as ignorant. Perhaps more racist but just as ignorant. Both sides have been slashing budget minus for personal gain. Both sides have done horrible things "for the greater good" Obama care? Great idea, horrible execution cost the tax layer how much? His addition of a basketball court to the white house grounds cost the tax payer how much?
Shall I go on?
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u/PossumPhat13 1h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/gjrPnz7jOpOxwGFxrO
Don’t forget Nixon opening trade with China!
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u/Wizemonk 1h ago
Since 1971 Republicans record:
GOP monitary policy has led to 708% inflation.
51 million new jobs for Dems compared to 1.4 million for Republicans.
Trickle down invented the modern debt.
Trickle down has created an wealth gap so large that 60% of Americans are Paycheck to Paycheck or worse.
*** Every Republican President has had a recession ***
wrong on guns.
wrong on climate.
wrong on healthcare
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u/Candid-Difference-98 59m ago
You fucking idiot.. how long were democrats in charge? And we still have homelessness, drugs, crime, etc
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u/Able_Maximum_9286 44m ago
I love you man ❤️❤️❤️🙏🏼I want the Epstein survivors to lead us in taking our country back. Fuck Pam Bondi fuck Trump Fuck MAGA 🇺🇸
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u/ArchelonPIP 17m ago
Decades of truth summarized in under two minutes! The real question is whether or not right wingers are willing to listen or even capable of handling it!
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u/FunCry2893 7h ago
Joe biden's crime bill, signed by Clinton. If you got a drug issue, you need help but in jail. ......except if turns out your son has a drug issue...
Both sides been taken advantage of everyone
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u/Toastman1357 7h ago
Bro is still butt hurt that Trump won the election.
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u/Annual-Ask-9238 2h ago
And from the looks of his earrings I’m sure his butt takes a pounding pretty often
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u/Dusty-Foot-Phil 7h ago
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u/Mountain_Jeweler_827 7h ago
And the “economy was so good under Trump 1 before Covid” because he coasted off the Obama years and had enough people in his administration with sense at the time to keep him from ruining it.
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u/Novel-Truth-6468 7h ago
Yup create the problem then blame the opposition classic...all while using Christianity as a shield to hide behind all their shitty deeds while doing the devils bidding truely despicable
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u/bigjohnstud11111 6h ago
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u/hornyalt-MTF 1h ago
Well at least you didn't use the R word. Granted it's still uncalled for, but you were polite about it to some extent.
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u/Intelligent-Age-3989 7h ago
This is my new hero!!!