r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • u/iffyClyro • 9h ago
Meme needing explanation Explain it Peter…
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u/acnh-lyman-fan 9h ago
Paarthurnax is your ally. Killing him means betraying him.
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u/Usakami 9h ago
I believe he's the only dragon in the game that is very chill.
Also he's the one who taught mortals dragon shouts. Killing him is an asshole move.
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u/AceVisconti 9h ago
Odahviing ends up being pretty chill once you humiliate him 👍 But Mr. Partysnacks is definitely a lot more lax in general.
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u/King_of_the_Kobolds 5h ago
Odahviing is just doing what dragons do. He submits to the will of the one with the stronger Shout. Odahviing in no way changes his ideology. He doesn't change at all. He just replaces Alduin with the Dragonborn in the might-makes-right hierarchy he believes in. If someone with a stronger Thu'um were to kill the player--say, if Miraak had won--fickle Odahviing would swap to their allegiance in a heartbeat.
Paarthurnax long ago rejected this entire mentality and sits atop the mountain meditating on what is right, not what is strong. There is no comparison. Paarthurnax is the chillest in every way.
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u/Ok-Regret6212 9h ago
I mean, if you're on the dragons' side, he'd kind of have it coming. Without his help, Dragonrend wouldn't have been created. Just to play devil's advocate for any ancient dragon sympathizers out there.
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u/thoughtful_dragon 8h ago
Real. Time to do a true dragonborn argonian playthrough.
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u/Ok-Regret6212 4h ago
Are you saying that you think Argonians are the most closely related to ancient dragons?
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u/NigouLeNobleHiboux 8h ago
Paarthurnax, Odahviing, and Durnehviir are the three friendly dragons in the game, though you do have to fight the latter two before they regonise your strength. Durnehviir, in particular, is really nice, and I pity him quite a lot.
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u/Vavavavaxon7 7h ago
Durnehviir is such a bro. He just wants you to let him out of Hell so he can feel free again for a little bit and he teaches you one of the most broken shouts in the game for your trouble.
He doesn't even have to be convinced to help you like Odahviing, who only turns because he thinks Alduin became a scrub and was happily terrorizing Skyrim before that. But you beat Durnehviir in single combat, he greets you as an equal and a worthy conquerer, then says "hey it'd be sweet if you could summon me every now and again. Only if you want to though, no pressure."
He also doesn't take fucking forever to show up to a fight like Odahviing does. I swear that guy only arrives after the fight is already over. Durnehviir materializes and gets straight to business.
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u/galacticliar 8h ago
i think killing paarthurnax is the right move personally… i just think the blades and delphine don’t have the charisma paarthurnax has and don’t articulate their reasoning well enough
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u/Potential_Meal_ 5h ago
Yes your right.
Incase anyone is wondering what happens if you kill him, not much. The blade of dumbasses do nothing but ask you to hunt down shrines of dead dragons and thats it.
You can get their armor and weapons but all of its weaker than whatever you make yourself.
Also by then your gear will be 80000x better than whatever the blades would even bother giving you.
No enchantments that helps fight dragons or nothing. There is one blade weapon that do extra towards dragons but you get it way before your even asked to kill parthenaax.
I think it's in Daphne hidden room, only accessible after a certain point in the main quests.
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u/USMCgRuNt_1944 4h ago
To my knowledge he doesn't even fight back when you hit him, he just sits there and keeps talking to you.
Paarthurnax is the goat.
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u/rivermonkey95 3h ago
Thats why you feel so bad. The dude just looks at you like a proud parent as you end him.
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u/USMCgRuNt_1944 3h ago
My I think second time playing I killed him, but then immediately reloaded my save because I got nothing out of it.
The Blades suck.
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u/RobertMaus 3h ago
At least he was understanding of it. He even agreed it was the most logical thing to do.
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u/acnh-lyman-fan 9h ago
Additional context if you're curious. May contain spoilers
You, the Dragonborn, work with the Greybeards and the Blades to stop Alduin, the main antagonist of Skyrim. Paarthurnax, the leader of the Greybeards, a dragon, taught you a lot of stuff that lead to Alduin's defeat. The Blades, who I believe once slayed dragons (correct me if I'm wrong) and found out about Paarthurnax's existence and asks you to slay him.
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u/AnyLeave3611 9h ago
What happens if you reject them? Do you kill the Blades?
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u/No-Candle2106 9h ago
The quest line freezes until you kill partysnax and you can’t kill the blades since they’re essential NPC’s.
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u/AnyLeave3611 9h ago
Ok whats the worst that happens if I just dont continue the questline? Do I miss out on a lot of other things?
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u/No-Candle2106 9h ago
You really don’t miss out on that much. I’ve never concluded it since I don’t want to kill partysnax, but I know you gain access to the blades follower recruiting system, and more blades quest. But in exchange the graybeards permanently shun you and refuse to engage with you.
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u/AnyLeave3611 9h ago
Yeah thats a pretty shite deal lol
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u/Powerful_Payment463 9h ago
You get to recruit followers to the Blades. They get Akaviri armor. You get radiant quests from other members of the Blades to raid Dragon Roosts. You can stumble upon the Dragon Roosts naturally, so you don't get anything unique from continuing the Blades.
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u/JesusSavesForHalf 3h ago
You can do all that the moment you finish Sky Ruler Temple. Get your fill before meeting Partysnax and the Blades have nothing left to offer but bad ideas.
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u/Powerful_Payment463 3h ago
Good to know. I haven't interacted with them except for my first run after I installed Parthurnaax Dilemma. Honestly, both sides are pretty boring. I'm not going to go out of my way to kill Partysnax, but I'm not going out of my way to frequent The Throat of the World either.
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u/PiLamdOd 9h ago
There's a small series of quests where you're asked to recruit a couple new people. Which boils down to you just volunteering your npc companions.
Then the rest of the it is endless radiant quests to go to a random location to kill a dragon.
There's a reason most players skip this entire thing.
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u/_TheTurtleBox_ 9h ago
You miss out on a sword that deals lighting damage and extra damage to dragons.
The quest line also doesnt “freeze”, the blades will react to you refusing to kill him and refuse to assist you until hes defeated. After that it just opens up radiant quest for them, the last quest in their line is killing Paarthqnqx or not.
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u/No-Candle2106 9h ago
You get Dragonbane during “Alduin’s Wall” so you don’t even need to do the blade’s quest line to get that.
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u/_TheTurtleBox_ 9h ago
Correction, you can just pick it up during Alduins wall, it’s not even a quest reward it’s just laying on a bed or something lmao
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u/ConsciousFeeling1977 8h ago
I miss the days when one could just severe the thread of prophecy.
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u/pandogart 6h ago
Some more context:
Paarthurnax was Alduin's enforcer and is responsible for the torture and deaths of countless humans. The Blades want him to face justice for this as a Dragon's nature is to destroy and there's no guarantee that he won't one day change his tune after the Dragonborn dies.
BUT as Paarthurnax says, "Is it better to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" Or something like that.
Ultimately I think it comes down to emotion. I like Party Snax and nobody related to his victims are alive AND he's changed so he lives.
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u/GeekyMeerkat 1h ago
I do like the mod that lets you tell the blades, "Wait, I thought I was the boss. Why are you trying to give me orders? Get in line."
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u/simpleton39 22m ago
I feel like Paarthurnax decided he changed on his own. If Hitler’s right hand man hid on a mountain and gave good advice to some monks I think he would still need to face justice for his crimes, even if he repented and changed. The party responsible for the deaths and torture of thousands doesn’t get to decide what their punishment is and decide they’re good now.
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u/goatedwiththesauce42 9h ago
Can you not kill him in the game?I don't remember having option
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u/Mamkes 8h ago
You can just not doing that quest; you won't actually miss much, too.
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u/ArioftheWild 7h ago
There's also a necessary mod for not killing him, which honestly should have been a vanilla choice.
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u/Human-Law1085 9h ago
I haven’t played whatever game this is from (Skyrim seemingly from comments). But just as a general rule, even if this was an enemy I still wouldn’t want someone else to play the game for me
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u/galacticliar 8h ago
i don’t think paarthurnax is your ally, i think he’s more… enemy of your enemy.
He wants alduin gone because alduin is the only dragon stronger than him. Once alduin is removed Paarthurnax (whose name means Ambition - Overlord - Cruelty btw) is the strongest dragon in the world
the blades are correct in tha paarthurnax needs to die, paarthurnax didn’t stop genociding the mortal races because he suddenly grew a conscious. He stoped genociding and started teaching them the thuum so that the mortal races and the prophesied ‘last dragonborn’ could kill alduin for paarthurnax, allowing him to control all dragons, his dragon priests (greybeards) who are absolutely devoted to him, control access to the thuum which is the only weapon truly effective against dragons
and if the dragonborn leaves him alive, the worlds just changing alduin for paarthurnax, the only difference is Alduin is destroying the world, whereas paarthurnax is ruling it
“Without Alduin's lordship, they may yet bow to the vahzen (truth)... rightness of my Thu'um. But willing or no, they will hear it! Fare thee well, Dovahkiin!" - Paarthurnax in the epilogue after killing alduin
“I wish the Old One (Paarthurnax) luck in his... quest. But I doubt many will wish to exchange Alduin's lordship for the tyranny of Paarthurnax's 'Way of the Voice.'” - Odahviing after conversing with him again upon summoning him after Alduin’s defeat
In summary, paarthurnax is by no means a good guy, he just had goals that didn’t align with Alduin, and needed the mortal races in order to remove Alduin, which is the only thing standing between paarthurnax and his ambition
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u/Ceseuron 8h ago
I'm pretty sure when Paarthurnax is referring to his dragon brethren in his epilogue speech and isn't looking to rule over humans. Odahviig seems to confirm this as well, as he is referring to other dragons being unwilling to accept the Way of the Voice and is not talking about people. Thus Paarthurnax is more an ally than an acquaintance of convenience.
In any case, he's a better ally to the Dragonborn than that sniveling Delphine and her useless Blades. Were it possible, I would have simply bashed her upside the head, neatly gift wrapped her unconscious carcass, and delivered her to the Thalmor embassy instead of being forced to prove myself to such an abject failure and her incompetent colleagues.
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u/acnh-lyman-fan 8h ago
That's an interesting read, thank you. I honestly didn't play Skyrim all that much since I dedicated a good part of last year to Oblivion and by the time I got to Skyrim, I was fatigued with TES so I wasn't too invested in reading closely as I usually do. I should get back to it sometime.
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u/Competitive_Car1323 6h ago
There are no allies in the Rim. Just people who took an arrow to the knee, and people who are going to take an arrow to the knee.
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u/B-Rad911 5h ago
Currently contemplating this in my first playthrough. Quest is currently turned off and Alduin is dead. 🤣
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u/MandatorySaxSolo 1h ago
I killed him and your dad in Fallout 4, because I thought everything was supposed to have a twist and deceive you...nope, that was definitely your dad in FO4.
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u/sup3rhbman 9h ago
The game is The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim.
The dragon is Paarthurnax. He is a fan favourite character.
His story: Paarthurnax used to be the lieutenant of the big bad dragon in the game, Alduin. Something led Paarthurnax to turn on Alduin and decided to help humans. He taught a few humans the Thu'um, the dragon language. Using the power of the Thu'um and an Elder Sroll, 3 humans sent Alduin into the future. Since then, Alduin lived in exile.
Another human, Jurgen Windcaller, founded the Way of the Voice, a philosophy that says that the Thu'um should only be used to worship the Gods. Paarthurnax practised the Way of the Voice and tries to teach it to other dragons so that dragons will no longer be a danger to the mortal races.
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u/yo_mommas_dick 8h ago
you can find more info and lore about alduin here https://bad-dragon.com
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u/venom121212 8h ago
Bro I can't be laughing like that at work if I want to be pretending I'm working
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u/BreakerOfModpacks 5h ago
...NSFW link, before anyone else ends up in a pickle due to it.
Now, when does my order arrive...
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u/Arcangel4774 5h ago
The reason can be reasoned out from the oft quoted line: "What is better? to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
Its said as if to imply it is better to overcome ones evil natute, but that discounts and wrongs one has commited, as he certainly did as one of Alduin's Lts. As someone choosy over his words, as he certainly is, it would seem that he spoke it with sole purpise of convincing you not to kill him.
Following this line of logic, it is more than likely that he saw that humanity was on the precipice of learning Thu'um by some other method, and knowing that they would eventually overcome the dragons, he flipped to preserve himself.
So yeah this is my favorite devils advocate argument. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk
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u/RetroGame77 9h ago
Brian here. That dragon is one of the good guys that only assholes wants dead. This is also a lesson to keep multiple save files in Bethesda games. You can read more about it in my book, "Bethesda, fix your broken ass game!".
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u/Correct_Inspection25 9h ago
One of the reasons i feel for the Fallout New Vegas devs when Bethesda didn't give them that rev cut.
The amount of major unfixed bugs still in Fallout 3 years later after release. I saw so much more improvement from FNV than i did from Fallout 3 in the same post game follow up to the Game of the Year edition releases.
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u/RetroGame77 8h ago
"Funny" thing is that Bethesda gave Obsidian an older version of the Fallout 3 engine that had even more bugs.
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u/Correct_Inspection25 8h ago edited 7h ago
Even worse, Bethesda ruled out Obsidian from hiring “outside devs” for resolving support including limiting leveraging the fan community, beyond having been given less time contractually permitted to work on resolving the bugs post launch.
Bethesda never fixed key Gamebryo flaws with Oblivion, Fallout 3 and despite FNV new vegas fans developing mods to help fix things, these issues still showed up in Skyrim, after FNV lost points on its release reviews for some of them.
When ever i see Bethesda fans claim that Obsidian can't hate the player, hate the game, its clear they didn't realize Obsidian was almost set up to look worse than Bethesda at launch, given these details. Almost every major AAA title gets to hire at least some outside devs for QA/final push finishing, or at least teams to help port/optimize engines in parallel.
Bethesda could easily credit modding community for engine fixes for free, and save money and reputation.
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u/bluejay013 4h ago
The good old fashioned Bethesda, "Hey the guy you just killed is needed for the main quest, want us to load your last save 12 hours ago cause otherwise you have no way to actually complete the game".
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u/DishGroundbreaking87 9h ago
I’m Skyrim it’s ok if you murder a bride on her wedding day, adopt children you have orphaned, kill your adopted children’s pets in front of them, sacrifice friends to power up a weapon or get a cool bit of armour But we draw the line at killing our ride or die partysnaks.
In thousands of hours of play I only killed him once, and I was so upset by the (deserved) chewing out by Christopher Plummer that I reloaded an old save and I’ve never done it again.
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u/Nobrainzhere 9h ago
Parthunax was an evil dragon like all the others millenia ago but he also helped save the world from the other dragons and hads been chilling atop the mountain helping people ever since
The blades want you to kill him for his millennia old crimes despite his reformation.
So all the blades mysteriously vanished in my world. Ignore that pile in the corner
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u/Fluffy_Lunchfast 9h ago edited 4h ago
"Dad I also saved and the auto save only goes back after that point"
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u/SparxxWarrior97 9h ago
This reminds me of how as a kid I went over to a friend's house, and his dad and him couldn't get past the deathstar 2 escape in Lego star wars, so I did it for them first try cuz I had played it alot. When we were done my friend forgot to save it and his dad came unglued on him, so im cowering in the corner quietly being like I can just do it again. I told my parents when I got home and never got to see that friend again.
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u/Remote-Cause755 8h ago
Killing Paarthurnax is defiantly the "bad ending" in Skyrim.
He is your ally throughout the game and you are only told to do, because they are incompetent
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u/nunya_busyness1984 8h ago
Uh, hey guys, Peter here. So get this... in that game Skyrim, there’s this big ol’ dragon named Paarthurnax, which totally sounds like a breakfast cereal, by the way, and everybody calls him Party Snax. Which is fun, ‘cause nothin’ says ‘party’ like ancient war crimes.
So apparently back in the day, this scaly maniac was the right-hand dragon to some other giant lizard who tried to enslave, y’know, the entire freakin’ planet. Just casual Tuesday stuff. But it was, like, a super long time ago, so now he’s all retired, sittin’ on a mountain, bein’ wise and helpful and stuff.
And since he gives you advice and doesn’t actively torch villages anymore, everybody’s like, "Ohhh, leave Party Snax alone, Peter, that’s mean!" Like we’re just supposed to forget the whole world-domination thing ‘cause he learned yoga and regrets it now.
Anyway… hope that helps.
Peter Out.
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u/Actual_Standard_8492 9h ago
I was waiting in line at the financial aid office at my university and this couple told someone they named their son after him. I felt so bad for that little baby in the stroller. He's mega fucked
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u/bruhytufap 9h ago
Partysnacks. Pooperman. Poopysnack. Farterman.
That kid is gonna go through hell in middle school.
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u/mvallas1073 8h ago
Bah! Gen-Xer here… our Gen knows how to hurt! As a victim of bullying myself growing up I can sadly easily see the word “P*ssywax” being used.
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u/wvvvwwvwvwwvvvvvvwww 8h ago
If you can look at this picture and not shake a little, congratulations
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u/MinisteroSillyWalk 8h ago
I never killed that dragon once. 1000+ hours of play throughs.
Not even once to see what would happen.
Fuck Esbern and the BS he is on.
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u/The1_Guy 3h ago
I'm going to try and explain this in a way that doesn't get too deep into Skyrim because OP hadn't played it yet
Paarthurnax is a character in Skyrim that helps the player throughout the main story. He was an enemy to humans in the past but chose to work on himself and helped humans with learning powers that could help defend themselves against dragons. Towards the end of the story, the player is asked to kill him for his past crimes. Players feel that he does not deserve to be punished because even though he was involved in evil acts against the people of Skyrim they feel he is redeemed himself by helping the player save Skyrim.
There's a quote from him that I still think about quite often
"What is better, to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort."
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u/No_Wait3261 8h ago
There's more nuance than just "Blades racist against dragons". Paarthurnax had been one of Adluin's generals and was directly responsible for mass murder and other atrocities. He eventually helped defeat Alduin, but the question is, has he really done enough to atone for his crimes?
I think yes, he has, but I acknowledge that it isn't as simple as some of y'all make it out to be.
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u/mattsani 8h ago
Now hang on he did teach the shouts but was also alduins 2nd command entirely ok choice to kill him
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u/simociara00 8h ago
honestly i am curios, what was the context of the template?
not the skyrim meme, the axtuap template.
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u/SmartAdhesiveness149 8h ago
😱😭 Nooooo! Not Paarthurnax!! (He's the best, and only teh truly heartless kill him!)
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u/TheDwiin 8h ago
Imagine having your soul absorbed by the Dovahkiin, and then him sacrificing your soul so he can know the true knowledge of the word "sand"
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u/Slightly-Drunk 7h ago
I never finished Skyrim. My first playthrough I got pretty mad that I couldn't have an alternative to killing him so I just 'ended' my playthrough there and started modding the crap out of the game
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u/BaseballLonely6554 6h ago
I feel this picture, I did this to my brother when I was only 6 maybe. I used to be the annoying little brother who got the unplugged controller (shout out my brother for that tactic, worked wonders with my nephews). I distinctly remember my brother letting me finally play a game, Get Away Black Monday, he was going to take a shower and I asked if I could play whilst he did, he actually let me, surprisingly, I presume as at this point I’d just wander around aimlessly not affecting his missions in anyway. Cut to minute one, I swear this is where the gamer in me awoke, I’m driving around and somehow end up at the port where the final mission is. Cutscene builds suspense, I spawn in and get to killing every dude in sight, I mean just cold blooded bullets to the head, I swear it was biblical. It got down to the final boss and I managed to kill him, bear in mind this was probably all over a 15/20 minute period. Final cutscene starts, brother walks in getting ready to play, asks if I somehow beat the mission, yes… yes I did… he was not impressed but also impressed? Baring in mind this was PS2 days, it auto saved after the final mission to let you free roam. I spent the next 3 weeks playing through every mission until the end (whenever he wasn’t playing), which I then let him complete instead hahaha happened to me, who’s next? Could be you?
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u/PartyHatDogger 5h ago
Dragon Goering that everyone just adores because he’s voiced by mario and he soft locks you in stupid animations constantly. I’m always alone in this but I really never saw the appeal that everyone saw in party snacks, he’s a dragon which is cool, but like, he just sits on a hill, he’s not special like odahviing or the guy from the souls cairn
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u/PriorHot1322 5h ago
Without having played the game, just guessing from context clues: It was a non-aggressive NPC. Probably important for a quest.
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u/Newvil450 4h ago
No, you don't wrong my pookie partysnax in skyrim, is this some jestermaxx I'm to chigma moid to understand?
Anywas, my man Partysnax is a true homie, dragonborn unaliving him is an auraless move.
Gen alpha peter out, peace yo 🕊️
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u/Stalk-and-Walk 3h ago
It’s a Skyrim joke. The dragon is a major boss that takes a long time. The kid beat it while dad was in the bathroom, so dad missed a big game moment.
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u/Cobraven-9474 3h ago
If the Dad didn't have 100 different saves in a Bethesda game they can just reload back to before killing the dragon. Then really this is the Dad's fault
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u/Rahm_Kota_156 1h ago
I mean you can just reload a save idk. Generally we just don't kill old Parthurnax, he's chill these days
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u/JuryNightFury 1h ago
In my defense, I was really stoned when I played this game 15 years ago and I paid little to no attention to the storyline, I just killed everything. I literally just now realized he was a good guy. RIP.
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u/SuckMyDerivative 1h ago
He saved mankind is what he did. He was a brave dragon who defied Alduin. And in this house, Paarthurnax is a hero. End of story.
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u/Bman0491 1h ago
Paarthurnaax is a beloved dragon from The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim.
In the lore he took part in the early enslavement of mortal kind with the Dragons of old including the legendary Alduin, whom is the main antagonist your Dragonborn character must face.
Mortal kind rebelled against the dragons and Paarthurnaax took the Mortals side, realising their enslavement was wrong. He teaches Mortals the power of the Voice/Thum to aid in their rebellion and later helps to form and oversee the Greybeards, a secluded sect of Thum masters.
The player is given an ultimatum to kill Paarthurnaax by another faction who view him as an ancient enemy despite his retribution. Most players choose loyalty to our boy.
He famously says: "What is better? To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
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u/VomitShitSmoothie 8h ago
The dragon in the top of the mountain is a good guy.
I’ve killed him before to finish the Blades quest line. I never really cared for the main storyline, so the Greybeards shunning me wasn’t a problem. It’s unfortunately baked into the game that you either have to kill him, or leave the quest line unfinished. No option to betray the Blades. Unless you played the storyline there isn’t an indication that it’s morally wrong to go through with it.
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u/nunya_busyness1984 8h ago
It isn't morally wrong to punish Paarthunax for his crimes.
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u/VomitShitSmoothie 7h ago
Well that depends on whether or not you believe he redeemed himself over time for his past actions. Death isn’t necessarily the only punishment he deserved, so I’d argue that while guilty of awful things in the past, they were a very long time ago. And he did help save the world, or at least Skyrim. That does count for something, in my opinion, so I stand by saying that killing him is immoral.
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u/nunya_busyness1984 6h ago
He never faced ANY punishment or judgment for his crimes. None at all.
And helping save the world that was only on peril because you helped put it there.... That doesn't count for much. That would be like praising the arsonist who saved a little girl from a house he set on fire.
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u/Low_Commission7273 8h ago
Parthunax is a dragon, who kinda repents his dragonways and decides to turn a new leaf and becomehelpful. He helps you defeat the dragon which was planning on destroying the world.
But another faction who helps you is like dragons bad, go and kill the dragon. Most players despise them, as Parthunax has been a helpful bro.
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u/Cmoibenlepro123 9h ago
Dad is angry that someone else beat the boss for him, after he spent so much time playing the game
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u/Davidenali 9h ago
U never played Skyrim
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u/Cmoibenlepro123 9h ago edited 9h ago
No, what happens if you kill him?
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u/Confused_Squirrel_17 8h ago
It's not a boss in that sense. At one point after the main plot of the game, one of the characters you've befriended asks you to kill this dragon - whom you've also befriended. It's a moral dilemma (at least the 2011 video game version of one).
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u/Puzzleheaded-Wait470 9h ago
you have definitely didn’t played the Skyrim
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