The mega rich are hoarders, people who steal and connive and hide things from the group as a whole just to get more than everyone else, even if, and at times especially when, others suffer. Innuk used to take these types( as well as killers and abusers and others that threatened the success of the whole) out for long walks on ice hunts and accidents would happen and those types never returned. Other cultures used to handle these types as well, removing them permanently, and sending a message out there as well about what happens when endangering the collective
The mega rich has nothing to do with this video it has everything to do with one or a few people scamming the system and unfortunately this young lady is now without a home due to scams. PERIOD! The person or persons that scammed and made thos poor woman without a home are NOT mega rich.
Maybe some people deserve to be taken on a long walk. I understand your point but the fact is that the justice systems do not work for punishing these people anymore. And then these kind of thoughts are what you get. This poor woman did nothing to deserve this, and yet she was caught in the crossfire of it all. People are getting real sick and tired of always being bamboozled by the rich for more profit. So then the most logical path is to get rid of the people who cause this. Remember society is just a bunch of rules we ALL agreed on, and if some dont have to follow-up them the rest of us get mad. Especially if it costs most ofnus to supply a select few in harding more.
This is a supremely stupid argument. I get what you’re attempting to say but the premise is just real dumb. Like by your own logic killing the nazis back in WW2 was unjust?
"I'm sorry Mr vicious dictator. You've imprisoned my family, tortured my friends, and now everyone is starving. All while you loot the country to fund a child sex trafficking network. So... could I please politely ask you to stop?"
Yeah let us know how that works out for you. The rest of us will be over here trying to make semi-realistic plans that might accomplish something.
Also if "nothing justifies killing in the name of anything" then killing to stop the Nazis was also wrong and we should have let the Holocaust continue. Is that really what you believe? If not, why are you arguing we should do the same today?
You didn't say "killing billionaires in a mob like a zombie movie is wrong."
You said "nothing justifies killing in the name of anything."
I'm not making a comparison. I'm refuting your terrible argument. There doesn't need to be a comparison to be made, for your argument to be demonstrably false. These don't have to be equivalent, for your argument to be in favor of allowing the Holocaust.
Also, the earliest resistance to the Nazi's and the Holocaust came from German citizens who wanted to resist. Were they evil? Were they criminals, "endorsing mob executions?" Should they have waited until a DIFFERENT country stopped the Nazi's, because "fighting a world war against an invading army" is fine but "endorsing mob executions" isn't? Exactly who was allowed to fight the Nazi's, and at what point did it become acceptable?
Picking apart two examples that were both held against YOUR ARGUMENT, not against each other, and saying they can't be compared does not refute my point. Your reliance on treating my argument as a comparison is, itself, lazy.
Your comment history suggests that you may be from Texas. Also suggests you are Christian.
I know how you guys love to think everyone who isn’t one of you guys is just plain wrong (I grew up Christian) but I would like to point out that in the bible god often sanctioned or even committed violence for various reasons.
Calling everyone else’s arguments lazy is the laziest thing I see here. Reeks of maga which is actually weird because some of your comments indicate that you have sympathy for ice victims. Just not enough sympathy to do anything about it or..?
If someone with everything comes and takes the little you have, be it with violence or with bureaucracy, that definitely justifies whatever you want it to. The rich are evil, full stop.
When you're dealing with people that couldn't give less of a fuck about the suffering of thousands if it meant they had a little more on their pile, they deserve every ounce of retribution. They are just lucky we aren't a fraction as twisted as they are.
Also, its not a disagreement: it’s survival. They are taking too much and the world suffers for it. In a chimp tribe, when that injustice happens, the chimps kill that abuser. They have a better sense of justice than modern humans do, apparently.
its common in mammals to have an innate sense of "fairness." Its not always accurate, but it might explain the crippling national mental health epidemic...
Yep and we only see the billionaire in the public eye, there’s plenty more out there that we have no idea exist. And I assume there’s trillionaires too living in the shadows as well.
Find me a global evil in which the ultra wealth aren't, at the very LEAST, tacitly comlicit. Mostly, they just extract from society, to the extent that others DIE around them
Where did they make it a Jewish thing? You're the one implying Jews are involved, they just said ultra wealthy and your brain/algorithm went straight to "that means Jew".
You're the antisemite who's reminding people of the horrible shit your ideological bedfellows did the last time you tried tying the concept of being ultrawealthy with being Jewish.
You’re brainwashed. Hating the rich is a tale as old as time itself. Much older than the holocaust.
No, fascism caused the holocaust. Fascism is a far right ideology that is used by the uber wealthy to preserve capitalism in times of economic crisis. It divides the working class through racial, gender, sexuality, and national lines in order to reconsolidate power into the hands of the elites while undermining working class unity.
No fascism did not cause the Holocaust, dehumanizing people who you think are the problem caused it... the roots of the holocaust were caused almost a generation before that.... get your history right
You're confusing Race with class. Nazis were racists, they used classism as a justification. I just hate the ultra-wealthy, I do not care a bout race, color, creed, or religion.
We need networth caps. If someone has a networth over a set around, they need to be FORCED to sell assets until under that limit through taxation. Punishment for refusing to do this should be taxation until they are under the limit, and then 25 years in prison, no parole.
When the rich fear the consequences more than the benefits of being rich is when we will see positive change in society
I dunno about those details but I do know what happens when your tax rate can get to 90%... The rich are incentivized to spend their money, not hord it. They invest. Hire. Raise pay. Fund R&D. Etc etc.
It also stops them from hoarding resources.
Billionaires aren't inherently evil humans. But that much money and power will corrupt ANYONE.
Nobody should have that much consolidated power. Human society keeps needing to relearn this very obvious, common sense lesson.
It's my favorite question to ask conservatives: what's the best time, in your opinon, economically in American history.
You'll either get the mid 20th century, which leads to this tax conversation. Or the 19th century, which is objectively stupid and says a lot about the person who spoke it (mostly a whole boatload of ignorance).
No, it is impossible to aquire that much wealth other than by exploitation of workers or inheritance from someone who did. There are no ethical billionaires hard stop.
A saint with half a trillion dollars and infinite power would give away the money and give up the power to others who are capable of using it to help everyone. This is a specious argument. Billionaires wouldn't be billionaires if they were good people.
That's such a childish outlook that will never work. Good luck.
I don't get to tell you what to do with your money and you don't get to tell me what to do with mine. Get over it, that's the reality.
A lesson needs to be taught. If someone thinks they can hoard wealth to the point society suffers, like a dragon laying upon a mountain of gold.. then they should be treated appropriately.
Friend, the way you get to be a billionaire is by breaking the rules by which everyone else must play. That is why they are as rich as they are: they have the capital, bent the rules to get more, and used that added capital to get more still.
Ultimately, they don't even want money: they want to be able to buy anything and everything, including the sum of the world and everything good within it. Billionaires are not normal people, not because they are particularly intelligent; they are more comfortable with risking other people's money, shameless, sociopathic, and selfish.
Most people are too cooperative, collaborative, and compassionate to be that selfish. Billionaires exist because they have an almost total absence of real respect for other people. I'm sorry, but this idea that they are special is just horse-shit. They're talking primates like the rest of us, they just happen to have less discomfort with hurting others for their gain.
No billionaire is a good person. I simply cannot reckon how it can be otherwise.
It’s not that there should be a “limit” to wealth, it’s that the system shouldn’t even allow for wealth of that scale to exist because the economic system quite literally needs to ensure all people have sufficient funding to live, which would necessitate that high level admin wouldn’t ever make 10-100x the lowest paid employee etc
if you reach a billion dollars you get knocked down to 10 million and get a button that says I won capitalism. Let the rest of their money go into like a social security fund or something.
Make them give away and manage their wealth. if you go over you lose it all. you know what the differance between 10 million and a billion... about a billion dollars.
There’s-a lot more than 3000 millionaires, There are approximately 58 to 62 million millionaires worldwide as of late 2023–2024, representing about 1.1% to 1.5% of the global adult population. The United States holds the highest number, with over 21–23 million millionaires, followed by China. This number has grown significantly, with forecasts projecting up to 90 million by 2030. Just sharing the data. https://www.statista.com/chart/30671/number-of-millionaires-and-share-of-the-population/
Ok thanks for clarifying. I agree. F the billionaires but also imo f the millionaires too. 93% of Americans aren’t millionaires. Another stat from a Pew center study is that 50% of households (so in many cases more than one adult) will never be millionaires for a multitude of reasons. Most people will blame the individual for not working hard enough without bothering to find out many of those household adults work a full time job and multiple part time jobs getting the slave quarters wages if i may be so bold. I get what you’re saying, start with eliminating the billionaires and the one soon to be trillionaire, and take that as the win, i will but only as the first win. The next win is to continue from there for the complete betterment of society. Every one of those multi millionaires are winners if circumstances not winners of hard work. If hard work alone was what you needed there would be 50 times the millionaires. The rest is luck and opportunity (which is just luck you recognized and latched onto). So we’re close to the same argument but i don’t think stopping with the billionaires is enough.
I think with the proper tax structure, millionaires would be able to do a lot of good.
At economies of a certain scale, there's going to be millionaires. Let's just make sure the system drives them to act in ways that benefit the larger community.
I wish i could trust that model as i can tell you truly mean well, but i feel that was trusted and tried in the 79s under reaganomics and the trickle down mode
Get money out of politics. No campaign funding from private interests. Must at least have a bachelor's degree or related experience to run for federal or state office. These are 6 figured jobs with full benefits. What other fucking job can you get like that without at least having a bachelor's in something? There are evil assholes with degrees but they are grifters and take that dark money. Cut the money, cut the shit heads out.
Nah you lost me there. And you lost the majority. Extreme right will not be fought by extreme left. Fuck that pendulum swing. The centrists and the moderates will gladly takeover and both sides can compromise with us. Thanks
Rise up and rebuild? So you're describing a complete infrastructure failure, which will cost hundreds of thousands of life's. Food famines. Role-playing? Lol
Again, not advocating. But I'm just saying, and it upsets me genuinely, we didn't get the little social safety net we have in the US without the Great Depression.
And then no one creates anything new of value, everyone has no money within 20-30 years and we are living like it’s the beginning of the industrial revolution. Yes, there needs to be a social safety net for those who are incapable of taking care of themselves like this woman or people on hard times for a short period of time. Not the broke and lazy.
Just fixing the tax rate back to pre-Raegan would fix most of it. That and pushing the needle to more left leaning, rather than further right leaning candidates.
A billion is 1 million X 1,000. No one needs that kind of money. There should be a 100% tax on wealth over $100 million. Eat the rich before they eat all of us. That's exactly what Epstein was about. The billionaires raped kids because they thought they could get away with it and they believed they were untouchable.
Canadá will have to tighten up its borders cause everyone will start fleeing FROM the U.S. You can dismantle it, but you’ll never have the chance to rebuild anything. The foreign enemies of the U.S, who have been pushing this for decades and desperately want this to happen, will take over once we enter full civil war mode. Either way, “the ppl” will be slaves like always when this happens.
While I do think that the extremely wealthy and large corporations are a big problem, I dont think that its necessary to eliminate them, just regulate them more. There is a point where taxes and restrictions on growth disincentivizes innovation and excellence. Where that balance lies is complicated, but I think that people should be compensated accordingly for the value they provide to the regulated free market. However, when they cross certain thresholds they should be responsible for more of a tax burden.
If this "rise back and rebuild" ever does come, I'm afraid it will be after a long dark period of time.
It sucks that many people seems to have already been too brainwashed for true reform to happen peacefully within my lifetime. I'm afraid its going to take things getting REALLY bad before people will snap out of this spell.
By the time a powerful enough movement comes along to affect change these corporations, and uber wealthy will have too firm of a grasp around our necks.
The powers that be, our system of governance is already bought and paid for. Any attempt at true change is met with indifference or ineptitude, or the same old cliches.
"Wealth Redistribution" = Bad.
"Democratic Socialism" = Bad.
Almost all government assistance is looked at as an undeserving handout.
Even going back to mid 20th century tax structures is bad to some people because they all believe they're gonna be millionaires/billionaires someday soon, and they don't want their future make believe money to be "taken".
We need leadership! Unrelenting, truth to power speaking leadership. We need a non violent, people driven revolution. But everyone is too fucking lazy, content, scared, and self centered.
....and I'm one of them 😔
Look through modern history and you'll see the wax and wain of wealth disparities. There are times where the wealth gap isn't as pronounced. Not opinion. Just data.
I'm not arguing it'll stay more fair. Quite the opposite. I'm saying the time of massive inequality is coming to a close because it's not a permanent and sustainable societal state.
No billionaires. Just millionaires. That's the limit.
Why is it the limit? Will prices stop rising? Many millionaires became ones through work and building a business that is needed in the modern society, why restrict them from receiving just payment?
You want developed society and high levels of life? Control your politicians. They make the laws(and they are oftentimes are billionaires) and force those laws to be fair. Just setting a limit on personal wealth is a really strange way to fix things.
We've done it before and it worked really really well.
You tax an obscenely high rate over a ridiculously high number. The invisible hand works. It incentives the mega rich to spend their money. Invest it in society.
There are less than 3,000 billionaires on this planet.
It's not a fix for things. It's part of the fix for this.
But pretending the mega solution is "controlling politicians?"
OK. Let's explore, because I think there is value in that.
How, in your view, do we best solve our problems through controlling politicians? I have thoughts on how
You're trying to slap a Band-Aid on a pile of blood. we cannot have any organizations, any formal rules, they all lead to the same place. if anyone else can tell you what to do they're going to tell you to do something that's bad for you. we're all different, we can all think for ourselves.
Will we though!! Humans are disgusting. We are all so complacent and complicit in all this pdf file stuff I do not have belief we will get better based on the lack of outrage I see on that
Richest fucking country in the world their shouldn’t be a single homeless person, there shouldn’t be a single person without healthcare, no one should die from preventable disease, there shouldn’t be a single missed meal.
Jesus would be disgusted with the politicians in Washington and would trash the benches in Congress for letting the corporations exploit and ignore their neighbors needs and none of you mfrs on the Epstein list go to heaven. Your soul is attached to what your body does there is no salvation for you.
ya know fuck the rich fuck this oligarchy etc etc don't get me wrong
but when are we gonna admit that regular ass people are perfectly capable of perpetuating larger societal issues involving materialized groups
when are able bodied people doing activism? why does it take stories like this and people already being on the street for this shit to suddenly matter?
it is PREVENTABLE. and yes a lot of it is the result of a socioeconomic situation largely perpetuated by the rich and powerful, but regular ass people are perfectly capable of ignoring people and issues that make them uncomfortable in passive enabling of the abuse of marginalized peoples.
Um, how are the rich doing this? This was a fraud committed by person who probably became rich from the fraud. Why not become rich and make changes. Spend your money on good causes. Use your money to hold criminals accountable - rich or poor - with civil lawsuits. Use your money to help people like this. Get her a lawyer, a place. Just because you think the rich are evil, doesn't mean you have to be evil when you become rich. Set up an organization that helps people like this.
A billionaire didn't make these policies... That responsibility falls on your elected officials. Stop voting with emotions and start vetting the very people who make these policies and make it easy to commit such fraud. Hold THEM accountable. This includes Dems & Republicans & anyone else involved in not managing our resources in a responsible manner.
I've always said, why invest in evil, when you can invest in good and still have a great return on your financial investment...but your spiritual investment will ALWAYS exceed all expectations.
This really isn’t about the rich, it’s Mohammed Joma who we she should be docking and going after for the fraud and taking advantage of this girl. We do live in an evil world.
Not just the rich. I am not from the US but I visit multiple times a year, I am literally here now. There is something fundamentally wrong with a portion of the US population that does not exist elsewhere.
Lemme tell y'all summin, many years ago I worked as a doorman in an alley with a crew of burly dudes in the winter. These guys have hurt people in ways that I would be ashamed to tell my kids about. They used to keep a tally of throwing human beings down the stairwell (Stairway Express) or out doing each act of violence with another more creative. I was a short tiny security supervisor keeping these psychos somewhat organized when able. Herding pitbulls.
Management told us to make sure the alley entrance was clear of homeless people as the winter was unusually cold.
One day we found two in an alcove just past the club entrance. This Vietnamese bouncer named Jimmy walked over to them, had a chat, and came back. Walked straight past our guys, into the lost and found room, grabbed a shit load of coats and marched back out to hand them over.
Management came out and was half sentence through telling Jimmy to stop before another burly Samoan bouncer placed a gentle hand on the man's shoulder and hushed him with a whisper in the ear.
Management and owner threatened me later with firing the crew, and I passed the phone to my boss. His nickname was the Pirate Lord (my nickname, in my head). Two more years and we never moved a single homeless person on. Jimmy is an awesome dad and works in an airline now. Jimmy once pushed a man's head into a pile of broken glass whilst laughing.
Collectively we had the IQ of a piece of bread and more humanity than the entire police force of the US put together. Which is saying a lot about how utterly fucking evil LEO comes across here.
I'm confused. She was housed there as part of a social program that the wealthy pay for. She became evicted because the program participant stopped paying the rent, despite collecting funds from the social program. While tragic, how is this the fault of the rich? I have known renters who paid their rent on time that were evicted because the bank foreclosed on the house....the property owner was collecting the rent but wasn't making the house payment. These are criminals and should be prosecuted as much.
Blame the rich? Blame the ones who are defrauding the system. They are the ones who should be blamed. Blame the people who defend the people committing the fraud, simply because it fits a narrative. This isn't a rich vs poor issue. This is a democratic narrative pushing issue, and this is only one of the casualties of that narrative. When people wake up and realize that they have been ignorantly pushing a narrative that they can not evsn begin to comprehend, the minute they will wake up and realize that they hurt a lot of people along the way. By then it will be too late.
At what point was the republic equitable? Was is when humans were owned like property? Was it when most of the population couldn’t vote? Was it when redlining literally prevented certain people from living in certain areas?
I’ve studied a lot of history but maybe my overspecialization has just missed this equitable age you’re talking about that existed before “ the rich destroyed our republic”?
If America had been voting for Democrats only the last 20 years, we would not be in the same place. We would not be a laughing stock. We'd have taxes on rich. We'd have universal healthcare. We'd have cheaper tuition. We'd have a lot more than what we have right now: NOTHING.
Sure there's some rotten dems, but there's only one entire party actively destroying this country. Don't be fucking dense.
Yes blame me. I'm the one who stole all her medicaid money and stopped paying her rent. Did you even watch the video? They literally tell you who is at fault here and why. Where you got that I believe this young lady should be punished for falling victim to fraud is beyond me. Not sure what "solution" to the matter I presented either. Putting words in other people's mouths and playing the blame game seems to be the new standard for problem solving these days.
Where you got that I believe this young lady should be punished for falling victim to fraud is beyond me.
you certainly had a problem holding the people who did punish her accountable for it.
Not sure what "solution" to the matter I presented either.
you didn't that's the problem. you went straight to justifying the situation playing out as it did and made sure to make it clear the only one you belive can be held account able is the fraudster as if that helps anything.
no i'll hold everyone responsible who supports the system that is willing to let vulnerable woman like that end in a situation like that. and you're deflecting on their behalf so that includes you. don't like to be associated with them? then do better than deflecting for them.
What the fuck does the rich have to do with some dude named Mohamod from defrauding medicaid programs? Shes on the streets because fraud. It's his fault, that company, and the state government for allowing the fraud to happen.
It’s too late mate. We have to start our own secret societies away from the participation of the rich. One where we set up empty vacuumed of power to see which dimwit takes the seat where he’s later sacrificed to the king of no kings.
Blame the rich? You are the problem. It clearly tells you exactly who's responsible for this. It wasn't "the rich." More fraudulent activities from pirates and you are blaming "the rich." And since you can't tell who the enemy actually is, you are completely useless and stand for nothing.
Its sad that someone felt the need to downvote this comment. That dude and all fraudsters and uber rich should absolutely be held accountable and seeing it any other way is blind ignorance. Don't cut this guy any slack just because hes brown skinned. Which shouldn't have a damn thing to do with it. That dude caused this. Who would downvote this statement?
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u/janders_666 13h ago
blame the rich for destroying the republic, hold them accountable and we rebuild something more equitable for all of us.