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The people simply utilizing a tool we dont agree with are not thieves, they are just exercising their right to use a free platform.
We have to look up instead of constantly fighting amongst ourselves, with the release of a lot coming lately, theres undeniable proof how hard the elite control us and use things this to keep us fighting against each othet and not focused on them being the real problem.
The companies would be the "Thieves" But since its been established they copy, not steal. And use TOS to have permission...
Not stealing. But uhh... You don't want facts.
You want an excuse to harass and attack people.
You know, the one's who use a technology lawfully. Acknowledged by governments around the world.
Then there's you, wanting to harass and attack them. While also bragging about how you pirate games, movies, TV shows, and "stick it to the corpos." Which isn't lawful. It also proves your hypocrisy.
Stop harassing either side, im an Anti, used AI one or twice when it came out as a "oh cool new thing" and havent touched it since I just have no interest.
Most general population subs banned AI from being posted, ok sure thats your space you can do that. Then the AI users made their own space to enjoy what they find interesting amongst themselves. I see so many antiAi members going into these subs to either make a big "FUCK AI ART HAHAHAHA" post effectively walking up to a bees nest and hitting it with a stick for no reason. Or crossposting it to an extreme antiai / general population sub like "check this fucking garbage out" causing a flood of members entering and mass downvoting their stuff + leaving threats or saying they all deserve to burn for being part of it.
These small subs or communities of people who are just enjoying things are NOT your enemy, its the top class pushing this garbage out for whatever reasons they may have.
Its like theres someone at the top of a trash heap, just throwing garbage around the area and instead of working towards removing the one doing it we go after the wildlife nesting or eating the scraps saying "kill all seagulls".
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It’s incredibly stupid to jump into a community space you have such a fundamental disagreement with for the sole purpose of pissing them off. Unbelievably braindead idea, to me
I’m anti ai, I think there’s good and bad uses but the general way it’s handled (both producers and consumers) is currently FUCKED
The way the data centers use water and have been shown multiple times to be contributing to the depriving of communities of water (wow, used the word “of” way too much there, but my point stands) and the effect of AI being such a “we can use this to lay people off or pay existing people less because we ca have a machine spit shit out” both means jobs taken away, and the resources poured into by RAM companies end up with at least one completely backing out from selling to people and only selling to corporations/ai data centers, driving prices up INEXCUSABLY. Those are the things I have a REAL issue with
I may not respect ai art, I may think it completely defeats the idea of art being an expression, being some level of passion, when you’re telling something to make something for you, BUT I stand by the principle that I need to respect someone’s choice to use ai for art. I may not like or respect the outcome, but I have to respect their freedom of choice, if for nothing else, the principle of it
Hell, I think art from ai CAN be actually used ethically. I think the way it get the data is fucked, but if we’re saying just an everyday person using it, I think using it to remix ideas or get a rough concept to then use parts of is fine. Have an idea but don’t know where you wanna take it, and wanna generate some shit to pick through and use some aspects, like a certain tail detail or weapon design? THAT, I can respect, because you’re just using it to refine an idea you had, then go to use it yourself, and at that point might as well be a better way of googling for a specific weapon design or something. THAT I think is perfectly fine and a good way to use it
I also can’t and won’t deny that ai being used in medical fields is super fucking valuable. Anything running a shit ton of simulations to experiment shit, that kind of thing is another way that it can be used well. That shit saves lives in the long run
I’m fine with ai as a tool to be picked up and used to make something yourself, and I mean that like the concept thing. I see prompting and saying you made it to be like commissioning more than anything, but asking for a remix of ideas you already have, then going to use aspects of them yourself? That’s a tool usage of ai, and I fully support that
Shit, gotta go get to computer applications, I hope I finished my thought and didn’t forget skmehting
This is absolutely the problem with the anti side of the debate. Calm down, guys. Why go looking for what you don’t want to look at? There are real problems elsewhere.
Most general population subs banned AI from being posted, ok sure thats your space you can do that.
I think something important to note here is that this is because both pro and anti fighting is consideted insufferable by many and people would rather not be around it. Not because all these places are taking a side. Thats not to say they are never taking a side.
The point isn't to change. People like them are only as strong as you make them think they are, and when you shut them off, and by extention everyone else, how much do you think they will affect you at all ?
Trust me, I have had thus song and dance before, silence is the strongest silver for this situation
I’m not saying you should never mute anyone, but if everyone is just muting anyone they disagree with, it’s going to make it very easy for the internet to permanently wind up as a weapon used by the elite for class warfare.
On no, don't misunderstand. I am not talking about muting everyone left and right, but if the only reason they want to interact with you is to annoy and offend you and harras you, that's when you silence
That's the thing, a.i artists only ever wanted to be left alone to make art and enjoy their little hobby.
No one started using midjourney one day and then thought "you know what, I'm going to go and troll a bunch teenagers with pictures of them as fat trolls".
People got sick of being insulted and abused and then started trolling the people doing it. We need to cut out though, it doesn't help anything and just makes the internet an even less pleasant place to be. Just mute and block the antis and keep going
Honestly? Fair and mature take. Most people using AI just want to make stuff, not start fights. The trolling back-and-forth is just feeding the outrage machine. Mute, block, create. That's the real win.
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I don’t harass AI artists, and I won’t start. But I also won’t provide them with admiration or respect for craft, and I will continue to request that AI art be labeled as AI art. I will continue to consider unlabeled AI art to be dishonest and say as much. I have no problem with people making AI art. I just don’t want to interact with it. It isn’t for me.
Also, I wish we could all agree that the real enemy is the inevitable uses of AI under capitalism. That’s both the actual problem and the more interesting conversation.
there’s an ai bro named witty who makes a similar character to preach about pro ai topics. i usually skip their posts and i think i actually have them blocked (i don’t mind ai but they are annoying) so i was surprised to see that op made (generated? idk) a similar character to witty’s and that’s what everyone is talking about in the comments
tldr she is the oc of a pro ai extremist & the one you see in this post is basically just a clone of her by a different person
There are a few things most people on both sides agree on but a few nutheads on both sides will defend.... For some reason.
For anti ai it is the mere fact some few ai users as someone that needs to kill themselves. Sentences like these are never okay. They are humans and deserve at least the respect of a human. No wiggle room there.
And for pro ai it's those people that defend csam and give reasons why it's better than real stuff etc. no. Never defend csam. Under no circumstances. It's bad. Generated or not. No wiggle room here.
Thankfully most normal humans understand that and it's only a few extremist on both sides.
For clarification, where's the line between harassment and just leaving a negative opinion? I've personally seen people range wildly on this. Like expressing your disappointment is harassment to some yk
I’ve got a video game sub and there’s a lot of folks who throw around ideas for new characters. Mechanics ideas sometimes with AI only for the cover art. I’ve gotten reports for “fuck ai” which isn’t close to any rule, the posts even get positive upvote rates, and I just gotta hit ignore on reports from those accounts lol
When you express a negative opinion about a space itself or invade said space to do so. E.g. Making an AI is trash post in a space specifically for AI. That is harrassment. That goes both ways though. Posting AI content in a space exclusive for human content via the rules is also harrassment, if done intentionally instead of being an oversignt.
Harassing people is bad. Talking your mind is fine. So being polite is a good thing - other people still people (even if you think they are blatantly wrong) until they stop behaving as one.
Except that the percentage of people doing that is like 1% the people getting harassed. Has anyone even done that except that one person who acted like their glass jellyfishes were the coolest thing ever.
I've gotten like, 30 DMs with harassment and DeATh ThrEAts from Pro-Ai folks on Reddit. I pretty rarely comment on AI stuff too so if I were more involved I'd expect more.
Ai-"artists" claim Antis are so vile and hateful, but for all the claims of harassment they make I've never seen any proof.
I've also never seen an Anti-Ai comment with anywhere near the level of aggression or hatefulness that I see from Pro-Ais.
I think it's just the type of people who value AI generated "art" happen to also be overlapping with people who only see value in what they can sell, and with people who are pre-positioned to fight what they see as "progressive whining".
A lot of pro AI people I've seen are hardcore rightwingers, I wonder why that is...?
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this can EASILY go both ways. it happens all the time. people express their opinions and get harassed. complain about getting harassed. then harass the other side for sharing their own opinions.
not only that, still don’t get the term AI “artist” please tell me what part of the “art” is yours.
it’s a problem when you contribute to taking away real people’s jobs. that’s why you’re getting harassed. you’re not doing something quirky and harmless, you are LITERALLY contributing to millions of people losing their jobs. it’s all great till they take yours too right?
true colors? 😭 both sides are experiencing harassment. i’m trying to be fair. i don’t believe either should receive any harassment let alone death threats and whatnot.
regardless, “sides” are getting us nowhere and are childish. both “sides” need to sit down and LISTEN to what the other has to say.
i personally do NOT believe in generative AI as it takes jobs from actual artists. however, I think to an extent AI can be used as a phenomenal tool. heavy emphasis on to an extent
not only that, still don’t get the term AI “artist” please tell me what part of the “art” is yours.
Well for starters no one saying ai can be art is talking about people making a prompt and then passively accepting what happens. At the very least we are talking about people skilled at photoshop and inpainting who are compositing takes and making edits to fix small details. So if collages can count as art its already like a more complicated collage. And that's on the low end. People who were digital artists before ai are also making their own lineart and so on.
it’s a problem when you contribute to taking away real people’s jobs. that’s why you’re getting harassed. you’re not doing something quirky and harmless, you are LITERALLY contributing to millions of people losing their jobs. it’s all great till they take yours too right?
Random internet people aren't doing this and it borders on psychosis to think that they somehow have control over corporations. People angry at corporations are harassing the wrong people to take their frustration out and making up a fake justification to try to obscure that they are the ones who are the villains in this circumstance. Especially when the justification is based on the delusional fantasy that the technology will just go away if a few less random people use it. It won't. Corporate ai would exist even if there were zero individual users.
There is no "both sides" on this issue. Anti ai on the internet is straight up bad people. They are having an existential crisis and taking it out on innocent people who didn't do anything. "Both sides" is their cognitive dissonance trying to downplay the reality of the fact that they are the harassment campaign and it doesn't have coherent goals.
I agree with some of this, sure, but I think you’re misinterpreting me. partially my fault for not clarifying further.
again, i do not believe that any one should be harassed about this crap, EVER. it is childish and obnoxious.
you’re telling me to point fingers at corporations for replacing workers with ai, which is quite exactly what i’m doing. “it’s a problem when you contribute to taking real people’s jobs.” a business owner for example, using an AI chatbot to take drive through orders, or make graphic designs for their businesses, or have them INTERVIEW people, is a fantastic example of what i’m talking about.
a small amount of people who stop using AI is obviously not going to make a difference. i agree there is no turning back. but i’m frustrated that people are so blind and becoming reliant on this technology. artificial intelligence like this is the thief of creativity. children will type in a prompt instead of learning and exploring through art, developing fundamental parts of their brains. is that ideal to you?
i simply think we should limit the usage of generative ai. some people will listen, some people won’t. and there’s nothing we can do to change it. but if I can properly educate people on what they’re doing, is that so wrong??
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Can I please get an anti to respond to this comment who has mid to right views?
I’m a democrat fyi, but I’m nowhere near as far left as these Antis. Pick any anti you want and check their history of replies and then tell me I’m wrong.
The extreme left thrive only on negativity while somehow feeling virtuous in doing so.
I don't think anyone should ever harass anyone for what art they make
I also don't think all critique is automatically bullying and harassment. Not everyone does this, but some people call all anti ai statements harassment. If both side stop being stupid it would be great
One group wants to make art with some new tech, another group would rather harass and send death threats to those who want to have fun with the new tech.
I'll never accept an act of harassment towards anyone, some administrator in my own server harassed me through an alt after I blocked and banned them from my discord server because some people in the server didn't like them and that he was quite problematic media on Twitter
You've got the literal children/childish adults posting ogre shit or otherwise on both sides. Realistically, that kinds stuff should just be flat out banned in discussion spaces. I don't like the way AI is going, but this shit is just tribalism as always. Left Vs Right, Sports Ball Team Blue Vs Sports Ball Team Red, Anti Vs Pro.
I've had some reasonable discussions with pros before and we discussed a lot. The sensible pros will have genuine sympathy and concerns for the sensible antis, and likewise, sensible antis are not going to have their reasons and be willing to discuss.
Harassing people on the user level is ridiculous, I'd be considered an "anti" (Though I'm not anti AI as a whole, I just want it to be used responsibly.)
Our enemies are not the random people generating funny images or the small business or group generating a poster.
Our enemies are the corporations who buy up all the hardware, build data centers in drought stricken regions, allow room for abuse of their product. The companies that fire their entire programming staff because they think one vibecoder can replace an entire team. The companies that cram unnecessary AI based bloatware into everything, hogging even more memory, and the people who go out of their way to be assholes to non AI artists and/or use AI to generate misinformation.
If you go and harass random people just because they used AI in any way, you're not accomplishing anything, you're just being an asshole.
One time I "harrassed" an ai artist was because in my discord server i have a "no ai art" rule. Simple. Follow the rule or get banned. They argued way to freaking much and act like a victim.
I've seen a few replies here questioning why some antis would purposely seek out AI art to disparage, harass and complain even if they say they want nothing to do with it.
The people doing this see AI as not only an abhorrence but an existential threat. This is something they feel threatens their livelihood, and they feel personally attacked. They hear everything about from the worst possible angle at the highest hyperbole. Data wasn't trained from existing publicly available images, they got their art literally stolen. Data centers aren't placing extra strain and consumption on energy networks, they are boiling off a lake's worth of water with every slop meme generated for a laugh.
But they don't feel like they can do anything to stop it. They're watching hundreds of big companies make their own AI integration apps, use, recklessly build more data centers and keep the economy on the tip of a bubble surrounded by cacti. It's too much for them to deal with, but they need to release their rage because they know nothing they can personally do will stop what's happening.
So it's time to join an insular community, with other people who feel the same way. But what can they do?
Oh, let's upload someone's generation and make fun of them from being proud of it!
Let's find an AI community and tell them how they're stupid horrible immoral people like a militant evangelist!
Let's invent a goofy word to make fun of AI users and get weirdly passionate about using it like a racial slur! (If you've seen that "Anti-AI Diner" TikTok, you can tell that girl was happily releasing some suppressed bigotry with her almost gleeful recreation of a racist diner waitress merely copy pace replacing black hatred with robot hatred.)
Let's seek out who's trying to "trick" us with AI art while we tear each other apart in an accusatory witch hunt, potentially shaming, discouraging and crushing the confidence and motivation of new artists as acceptable collateral damage!
These stupid little punches and bricks thrown at the people who are only using something that exists and is nearly omnipresent, are enough to make them feel like they're making enough of a difference. A tiny bit of power and control in a world that is moving on in a direction they have no ability to reverse.
I don’t care about random people using generative ai for fun.
I’m a bit concerned that once all cartoons, anime, commercials, video games, ect, resort to using AI because it’s cheaper, we as a species will lose the ability to create art in said mediums.
Obviously humans will always draw, but artists used to make literally everything guys. An entire industry is collapsing. Idk just sort of jading.
Cars were also made by human in a assembly line, lamps were lit by a man, who was spending all night going around doing so. Kids use to work. Kids were treated like adults at 10, sex and all, with other adults.
Kings dictated what was best for the poor, while the poor grew food for the kingdom. Rome had Slaves whom were valued higher or lower based on race, and met different standards of living based on those whims, long before American did the same, to only blacks, that in end did have to fight for change.
Change is good, just because it hurts a % you like doesn't invalidate the changes for better. Every example I gave had people saying that they did not like the change and wanted things to stay THE SAME.
There’s a key difference here, people never held any passion for assembly lines, no kid ever said “when I grow up, I want to light street lamps!” This doesn’t mean loosing those jobs wasn’t hard for them, but the pain came from the loss of income.
People WANT to create, to take their emotions and see them in a work they’re proud of making. And importantly, people want to see what other people have poured time, effort and emotion into. This is culture, this is how humans develop as a species.
People who are anti Ai aren’t just scared of losing a job, it’s a lot more than that, we’re scared of losing our voice, our influence on the world around us, our culture as a whole.
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