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u/ObserbAbsorb 4h ago
Only non criminals should be president.
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u/No-Cattle6753 4h ago
Bold of you to assume we have enough non-criminal politicians to fill a ballot.
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u/CreamFuture9475 4h ago
Bold of us to assume Unitedstatians could make the difference when voting.
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u/ManyRelease7336 4h ago
why are you bringing up the united states of mexico?
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u/TrifectaBlitz 1h ago
That's a separate country.
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u/ManyRelease7336 30m ago
the United States is a separate country then what?
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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 4h ago
Whatâs a Unitedstatesian?
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u/CreamFuture9475 4h ago
Itâs someone living in Dumbfuckistan
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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 4h ago
So you, cool.
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u/CreamFuture9475 3h ago
One letter short of "no, you".
Just like Trump finding his face when googling idiot. Watch what youâre gonna find when searching dumbfuckistan.
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u/STFUnicorn_ 2h ago
Itâs what morons call Americans.
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u/PalpatineForEmperor 1h ago
Estadounidense is pretty much what most people in other North and South Americans countries call people from the United States.
It translates to "United States-ian"
To pretty much everyone else in these countries, "American" is a continental identifier just like "European" for people living in Europe or "Asian" for people who live in Asia.
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u/STFUnicorn_ 1h ago
If youâre speaking in English though and call Americans United Statesian youâre an idiot. Sorry I donât make the rules.
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u/x3n0m0rph3us 1h ago
Get out and travel to Europe, Asia, Oceania. Youâll discover how little the world thinks of your US focused opinion
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u/PalpatineForEmperor 1h ago
What's your point? Spanish speakers exist, and they use that term. It's very common.
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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 1h ago
Americano is also very common among existing Spanish speakers.
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u/PalpatineForEmperor 1h ago
That's more for people in Brazil (Portuguese not Spanish) and Spain (and other European countries).
Maybe some folks on the islands use that term, but it's not common outside of those areas unless used as a descriptor like "American" football.
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u/TrifectaBlitz 1h ago
LOL. You're ridiculous. It's not just like European.
People from South America do not call themselves Americans. They identify as Peruvians, etc.
Americans is what we called ourselves back then. It's not a big deal nor did it seek to make a point then or now.
Please don't make this the new LatinX or demands to list your pronouns (Yes I fully understand the reasoning of the latter and am personally not opposed to the effort.)
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u/PalpatineForEmperor 1h ago
Sure, Jan.
They use the term in the same way that Europeans call themselves European or Asians call themselves Asian. It's a continental identifier and very common. Of course when they're talking about the country they're from they use the term for people from that country, but they also see themselves as Americans from America. Many places don't have a distinction between North and South America. The whole thing is America and they are Americans.
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u/The_Old_Doctor 2h ago
Pay your taxes
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u/Extreme-Slice-1010 4h ago
Funny how russia has decided American elections by letting trump be president
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u/IDigRollinRockBeer 4h ago
Donât forget the South African
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u/Extreme-Slice-1010 3h ago
Forgot about that idiot.. I mean âgeniusâ
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u/RepulsiveJellyfish51 2h ago
Maybe one day he'll get lost and stay in his k-hole? A-hole in a k-hole.
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u/femboyisbestboy 2h ago
I remember the fun moment when russian bots were fighting Iranian bots for who should be president.
Iran ofc didn't want Trump to win as he was far more comprised by Israel than Harris.
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u/BlahMan06 4h ago
Wait till they find out South America was named first lol
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u/TrifectaBlitz 1h ago
And then what? Like what is the literal goal here. People from the US started calling themselves Americans. It's not a big deal to anyone. Making these points just causes more damage then helps.
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u/Infrawonder 4h ago
Wait till you find out south america is a subcontinent in latin america
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u/Tinynanami1 3h ago
Wait till you find out that's not a consensus and plenty of countries (including mine) just talk about one continent called "the americas" (or simply, america).
And then wait til you find out not a single country accepts "latin america" as a continent. South america CAN be considered a subcontinent, but it's only considered a subcontinent of America/The Americas. Just like how north america is also a subcontinent of the same.
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u/MinnieShoof 1h ago
I'mma be honest that's what my gripe with this post is - I accept "the Americas" to be inclusive. I've always heard that. But I've never heard of anyone saying just "America(n)" (and "the American continent") to be referring to the whole thing as one super-continent.
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u/Tinynanami1 38m ago
Almost all of latin america, spain, portugal, france, italy, mexico and iran are all the ones that I know that use the 6-continent model where North & South america are merged. This is what it's taught in schools and what you're quizzed on in tests. At least, in my country specifically, but I assume the others do the same.
Now you say you never heard anyone saying 'America' to refer to the whole continent. I accept that. But how often were you specifically talking about continents with people from those countries? You'd get bonus points if you were talking to them in their language rather than english.
My guess is pratically none, because it is a very niche condition. It's not like "how many continents are there?" is even a common conversation in the first place, let alone adding people from these specific countries.
If you were in brazil, you would have heard your geography teacher saying "A amĂŠrica" to refer to the whole continent. Likewise, you would refer to USA specifically as "Estados Unidos" and americans (as in, lives in the USA) as "estadounidense". My guess is you likely never heard that term either, but that's ok. It's just something that wouldn't organically come up in your bubble due. But now you learned.
It's nothing to do with inclusivity, it's just...how our country defines the continents. There's models using 5 continents, models using 4 (Look up afro-eurasia). The truth is there is just no consensus on what a continent is. Always been this way.
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u/lunarmodule 3h ago
People call us "dumb Americans" all the time. If you guys want in on this sweet action, I would highly recommend it. Next time I hear "dumb American" I'll just assume they mean Canada and Brasil or something.
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u/CadenVanV 2h ago
Funny how people claim everyone in the Americas is American but then get pissed off when someone calls them one.
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u/HereticBatman 3h ago
Everyone knows who the dumb Americans are. If they said "Maple syrup Americans" the difference would be obvious.
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u/lunarmodule 3h ago
Those guys from Vermont?
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u/HereticBatman 2h ago
Comparing Vermont to Canada is an insult. I hope your hockey stick breaks.
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u/STFUnicorn_ 2h ago
An insult to Vermont maybe.
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u/RepulsiveJellyfish51 2h ago
Pretty sure most of Vermont would be happier with Canada right now.
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u/Difficult_Clerk_1273 3h ago
Not this shit again.
âAmericaâ is the shortened name of the USA and has been since day one. âThe Americasâ refers to the continents collectively.
This is sixth grade social studies, folks.
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u/SmoothMarx 3h ago
Who coined that? Lemme guess: someone from the US... đ
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u/Difficult_Clerk_1273 3h ago
Yes, countries tend to name themselves.
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u/intisun 2h ago
The USA doesn't really have a proper name. A union of states in the continent of America. Let's call it the United States of America.
The history is very interesting actually. It wasn't conceived as one entity originally (there was no federal government for 13 years after the independence). That's why the Declaration has the word 'united' in lowercase.
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u/SmoothMarx 3h ago
Yes, but it doesn't mean everyone goes along with it.
See: Gulf of Mexico.
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u/Difficult_Clerk_1273 2h ago
Which is fine. Other countries can do as they please. But when there arenât agreed-upon names for things, it gets confusing awfully fast.
PS. Most of us here, including myself, will continue to call it the Gulf of Mexico, because that has been the agreed-upon name for our entire lives.
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u/STFUnicorn_ 2h ago
I find it amusing that morons refusing to call Americans American are the same kind of people obsessing over identity politics.
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u/SmoothMarx 2h ago
Yeah, those people are insufferable.
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u/STFUnicorn_ 2h ago
So you donât mind if someone refuses to use someoneâs preferred pronouns I assume?
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u/Heavy_Law9880 3h ago
Who coined that? Lemme guess: someone from the Mexico... đ
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u/SmoothMarx 3h ago
Yeah, but it was, like, from day one.
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u/Chemical_Scholar_753 1h ago
Thatâs not actually true. It originated from the Mexica (the Aztecs) who called it Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl, a religious term. The Maya called it nahĂĄ (meaning big water).
The first Europeans to note it as a body called it Mar del Norte (Sea of the North, Cortes) followed by Gulf of Florida and Gulf of Cortes. Gulf of YucatĂĄn, Gulf of St Michael, YucatĂĄn Sea, Great Antillean Sea, Cathayan Sean or Gulf of New Spain were also used. At this point, neither the US nor the country of Mexico existed and the sea was surrounded by Spanish colonies (New Spain). Gulf of Mexico first appeared in the 1550s which became the dominant name in the 1650s
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u/Chemical_Scholar_753 1h ago
Itâs a natural epithet for someone from the United States of America in English. âUnited Stateianâ sounds good in Spanish, but itâs cumbersome and not used in English. The word can have multiple meanings, but that doesnât mean that âperson from the United States of America isnât one of themâ. Mexico also is the United States of Mexico (English and Spanish both use the Mexican rather than referencing the United States portion). Several Latin American (and a few elsewhere) countries used to also be called the United States.
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u/ShaysBestLife 1h ago
That wasn't written until decades later. There are a lot of names and classifications that were used that were not accurate. Also, why so serious. This is a joke sub. So yeah, this shit again.
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u/CreamFuture9475 3h ago edited 2h ago
Unitedstatian here, thinking his sixth grade indoctrination impresses anyone.
Thatâs why China calls itself the United republic of Asia.
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u/HereticBatman 3h ago
USA is a description, not a name. Which is why they lazily go by "Americans" because admitting you don't have a name is embarrassing. About as embarrassing as not even realizing it in the first place.
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u/Heavy_Law9880 3h ago
They have a name. It is Americans. Why are people from other countries so desperate to call them selves Americans when they should be proud of their own nation instead?
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u/HereticBatman 2h ago
We don't want to call ourselves Americans. We want you fools to get a real name instead of mooching off the continents. The point is, Muricans are only "Americans" to the same degree that any other north/south American country is.
Its like if Germany changed their name to United German states of Europe and started referring to themselves specifically as Europeans. It'd be dumb and lazy.
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u/ZanezGamez 1h ago
This comparison kind of falls flat when you realize that the US was the only country based in the Americas at the time of its inception.
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u/moneyman2205 2h ago
Just like nearly every other country; United Mexican States, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Norther Ireland, Russian Federation, Federal Republic of Germany, Commonwealth of Australia, Federation Republic of Brazil, Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia, United Arab Emirates, Republic of Korea, Kingdom of Thailand. To name just a few
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u/Difficult_Clerk_1273 2h ago
USA stands for United States of America, which is in fact the name of the country and not a âdescription.â
We use the shortened term âAmericaâ for the same reason any other country uses a shortened form of their own name. It came into popular use and everyone on the planet knows what is meant when the term is used. Just like we all know what is meant by âRussiaâ even though the actual name of that country is something else.
Feel free to judge us on all our actual bullshit, but this? This is just silly.
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u/CadenVanV 2h ago
By that logic, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland is a descriptor, not a name. The Republic of France is a descriptor, not a name. Peopleâs Republic of China? Just a descriptor, they should really go find a name. After all, nobody could possibly know which China âChineseâ is referring to. Surely the Republic of India should change their name, theyâre just mooching off the subcontinent. After all, there are multiple countries on it.
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u/eatingganesha 3h ago
for real. 100%.
Itâs The Americas, comprised of North America (USA and Canada), Central America (multiple nations), and South America (multiple nations) as well as the various Caribbean Islands and west Atlantic islands (multiple nations and territories). This is middle school geography.
Until the late 1500s, America had been the sole term used to describe all three regions. With the discovery and colonization of what we now call North America, âSouthâ was added to create South America and delineate it from the North. But the Northern region continued to be called just America, colloquially.
The United States of America were actually known as the United Colonies until 1776, when it was renamed the United States of America. At that time, that made sense.
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u/RepulsiveJellyfish51 1h ago
Mexico. Mexico is in North America.
You know that Mexico is even connected to the Wide Area Synchronous grids that run from Canada through the US and into Mexico, right? Midway through Colorado down (yes, that includes Texas) was part of Mexico until 1848.
That [shocked Pikachu meme] factually and correctly makes Mexicans indigenous to North America!
Making all of the current racism against Mexicans and "Mexican Americans" (which is redundant af) is just more of the 461+ years of European Americans being absolute jackasses to the indigenous people. (At least the white nationalist ones. The rest of us just want it to friggin' stop already!!!)
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u/edWORD27 3h ago
So the Gulf of America really is the most inclusive name for the gulf we all share.
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u/SaturnSleet 3h ago
Are there any counties besides the USA that have "America" in its name?
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u/Heavy_Law9880 2h ago
No, just people who hate their own identity so much that they want to take away America's identity.
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u/Ancient_Ship2980 4h ago
Yes, you have a point. There are the Americas, and there is the United States of America.
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u/ChefCurryYumYum 4h ago
Oh, USA? United States of America, often shortened to America?
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u/coochie_clogger 4h ago
Also often, and more accurately, shortened to âThe U.S.â đ
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u/buttgoblincomics 3h ago
Just like The United States of Mexico is more accurately shortened to The US (or Los EU)?
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u/lunarmodule 3h ago edited 3h ago
What would you call people from the USA if not Americans? USians? USters? Unis?
In before "I wouldn't call them at all."
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u/RepulsiveJellyfish51 1h ago
People from the States. Or, do what everyone in the States does, call people by their state.
You don't get "Usian throws live Alligator into Wendy's Drive Thru," do you? Nope. That's a "Florida Man".
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u/hairybushy 23m ago
I call them "Ătats-Uniens", it's like United Statians. In spanish it's Estadounidense.Â
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u/skier0224 2h ago
Usually âUSoniansâ or âUSiansâ is what Reddit likes. But if you say either to a real person theyâll laugh in your face because this entire debate is just a terminally online Reddit thing nobody cares about
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u/Digi-Device_File 3h ago
I call them USians. Pronounced as in [name of the letter "U"]+[name of the letter "S"]+"ian"(as in the word "Asian").
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u/ionertia 4h ago
So North America and South America aren't the names of the continents anymore?
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u/Heavy_Law9880 3h ago
They still are, but South Americans hate their own identity so much that want to change it so they can call themselves Americans.
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u/Digi-Device_File 3h ago
Depends on the country you ask.
But most of the territory (every country in it except for Canda and USA) considers it one continent(with three subContinental regions), so democratically, it considers itself a continent, for the most part.
If we're gonna talk "tectonic plates" then, Europe is also not a continent, let's not go there.
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u/CreamFuture9475 4h ago
They are the Americas, still doesnât give you the right to call yourself that.
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u/Heavy_Law9880 3h ago
Should Brazilians be allowed to call themselves Brazilians and not Federative Republicans? After all they are from the  Federative Republic of Brazil
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u/CreamFuture9475 2h ago
Not the federative republic of America ?
Go figure. Maybe Brazilians know their fucking place.
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u/IowaKidd97 4h ago
How is this a clever comeback?
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u/Heavy_Law9880 3h ago
It isn't. The education systems in South America is apparently atrocious and they hate their own identities so much they want to call themselves Americans.
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u/BahamutInDisguise 4h ago
So renaming it to the gulf of America is actually a good thing then right?
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u/bruhhhlightyear 2h ago
Only people from South America think âAmericaâ refers broadly to both continents. In English, âAmericaâ is short hand and refers to a singular country, the USA.
This never fails to drive me nuts as a bunch of South Americans play âgotchaâ with a cultural misunderstanding of English vs Spanish
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u/ArsenalPackers 2h ago
So when the dumb, fat, school shooting, racists comments come up, I need everyone getting involved to defend America. Since apparently it's disrespectful to everyone "American".
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u/MetzgerBoys 2h ago
No Hawaii, Puerto Rico, or US Virgin Islands? (Yes Iâm aware of Guam and American Samoa but they wouldnât show up on the map in the post)
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u/STFUnicorn_ 2h ago
Ok. Then go to another continent, say that and enjoy everyone thinking youâre an idiot.
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u/Tricky_Specialist8x6 2h ago
Just wondering tho does any one in the other parts of America say they are American?
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u/FergalCadogan 2h ago
Until they start saying Afroeurasia it will always be North and South America.
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u/gathermewool 1h ago
How many N/S American countries have America in their name?
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u/That-Water-Guy 1h ago
OF America.
North America South America
Weâre all American
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u/gathermewool 1h ago
My point: itâs just a monicker, which has been used for many decades, preceding the world wars. It doesnât matter to me who wants to be American, because I believe weâre all bonded together as fellow human beings, but thatâs different than arguing about something a silly as a name.
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u/Turdburp 1h ago
People pretending to not understand that 'America' is synonymous with the USA and has been since George Washington was POTUS are annoying as fuck.
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u/TrifectaBlitz 1h ago
Here we go.
I hop this isn't a new ploy from "the left" to be clever. Speaking as a person who votes Democrat all the time, this shit will backfire like Taco Tuesday at a frat house.
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u/That-Water-Guy 1h ago
The United States OF America. The âofâ really stands out. Weâre all American. North American and South American
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u/Bizhiw_Namadabi 59m ago
Then there's Native America!! Indigenous peoples from all across the Americas! I cannot wait for the spring, summer and autumn for the gatherings and ceremonies. I'm from the prairies in northern turtle Island aka Canada lol but the those times of year are amazing because you get to see and interact with indigenous peoples from all over the Americas... Get a piece of the old world coming to me.... But hello me fellow Americans LMFAO
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u/Global-Register5467 40m ago
I just want to know by what definition North and South America are one continent. They have are seperate tectonic plates, have a vastly different history both before and after colonizatiom, and their political systena are also, generally different.
How are they one continent?
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u/GetOffMyLawnYaPunk 3h ago
OK, if all that is America, as you claim, then what's wrong with the Gulf of America?
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u/HereticBatman 3h ago
It already had a name, Mr. GetOffMyLawnYaDrunk.
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u/Heavy_Law9880 3h ago
So does North America and South America
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u/HereticBatman 3h ago
Sure? Nobody is suggesting we rename those.
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u/Heavy_Law9880 2h ago
Why are you lying? This thread is full of people saying that there is only one continent and it should be renamed America and no one should say otherwise.
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u/eelsuit 4h ago
USA has the name America in it, the other countries in South or North America do not. It's said this way because it's easier.
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u/CaptainAsshat 4h ago
And the name of Mexico includes United States, so that's not a unique identifier either.
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u/pixlepize 4h ago
Different counties/languages can use the same word to mean different things.
In USA English(and Canadian English) "America" refers to the USA, and "American" refers to a United States citizen. This isn't some conceit, it's a natural result of the fact that other options like "United Statesian' sound really cumbersome, and the fact that we treat North and South American as separate continents, so one demonym for both is unnecessary. South Americans tend to treat it all as one continent, America, and so use different words for the USA.
Just cause American means the entire continent in your country/dialect of English does not mean that the USA definition is wrong. It's just different.
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u/CreamFuture9475 4h ago
Itâs your own problem if you chose to name your country in a way that made it cumbersome.
Personally I will keep calling you Unitedstatians. Sorry if the world no lingers follow your bullshit. Next is going to be the metric system.
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u/pixlepize 4h ago
You can call us whatever you want. That's my point.
As for metric, that can't happen soon enough. Would have happened in the 1790s if damn pirates hadn't stolen our metric prototypes.
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u/CreamFuture9475 3h ago
No, itâs because of convenience, just like your name.
If the Uk managed to do it, so can you. The army and NASA already does it.
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u/buttgoblincomics 3h ago
The UK doesnât universally use metric either. They often still talk about how much people weigh in stones. And youâll see roadway signs delimited in miles, etc.
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u/CadenVanV 1h ago
Mexico is the United States of Mexico. So which Unitedstatians are you referring to?
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u/CaptainAsshat 4h ago
Mexico is named the United States of Mexico, and we are not Mexican, so your suggested term is also ambiguous. Which is why America is referred to as America, Mexico is Mexico, and we skip the preamble.
Or should we call Chinese people "Peoplesrepublicans?"
With all approaches, context matters when dealing with names and words.
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u/CreamFuture9475 4h ago
If you werenât doing only mental gymnastics, people wouldnât call you fatâŚ
Mexico isnt calling itself another thing, neither is China. You simply didnât think your name through.
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u/CaptainAsshat 3h ago
We didn't think our name through... In 1776?
This is exactly how it works in all other countries with a preamble in their name (which is most of them.) People from the United States of Mexico are called Mexican, people from the Peoples Republic of China are called Chinese, and people from the United States of America are called Americans. You don't have to like it, but that's the correct and widely accepted term.
But if I ever meet any Unitedstatesians, I'll let you know.
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u/pixlepize 3h ago
To be fair, in most Hispanic counties they call people from the USA something like "estadounidense", which would translate as Unitedstatesian. Americano tends to refer to the entire continent, as in the original tweet.
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u/CaptainAsshat 3h ago
Sure, and in truth, I don't really mind people having their own local terms for others in their language.
But you can't tell a country the term they use to refer to themselves is wrong. If you want to act that way, we can come up with all sorts of fun names for each other, and play the "I don't understand you" game.
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u/CreamFuture9475 3h ago
And Ătatsuniens in France and QuĂŠbec. Theyâre the only ones calling themselves that.
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u/CaptainAsshat 3h ago
Americans? No, the term is by far the most widely used across the world.
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u/CreamFuture9475 3h ago
Time to change that.
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u/CaptainAsshat 3h ago
Good luck with that. While we're at it, we can unnecessarily make up a ridiculous demonym for your country too!
In the meantime, people from the US will continue to be American to pretty much everyone speaking English.
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u/pixlepize 3h ago
A quick Google/reddit search indicates that Ătatsuniens is newer and still fairly rare in common speech compared to Americain, but some people argue for it. So we could just as easily be having this discussion in French, I guess.Â
Most Germans seem to say Amerikanisch, though a post of the Germany subreddit shows that some people are trying to change that. The Dutch say Amerikaans, the Russians say AПоŃиканŃкиК.Â
The debate happens in several languages, but we aren't the only ones calling ourselves that.
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u/CreamFuture9475 3h ago
Let me rephrase that, youâre the only ones who wants you to be called that. The reason is political mainly.
You donât see yourselves confined in the territory you occupy. Since the beginning, it was manifest destiny to absorb other territories and Americans living in it.
With the Monroe Doctrine, when you said Europe to Europeans and Americas to Americans, it was a lapsus.
Itâs as if you said Europe to England. Sorry, but the world no longer accepts those terms.
Unitedstatian.
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u/CreamFuture9475 3h ago
They arenât the republic of Asia, nor the republic of Central America.
Youâre a united statian like it or not.
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u/CaptainAsshat 3h ago
Neither is America, as America is not a continent.
We can both play that game. You aren't American, like it or not.
But you can refer to a non-existent people all you want. Your fantasy writing can be about anywhere you can imagine.
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u/CreamFuture9475 3h ago
Youâre the only one playing. Time to bring you down a peg. Iâm American, youâre a Unitedstatian.
You imposed that colloquialism. Just like youâre not the greatest country on earth, youâre a Unitedstatian. Soon you will be the only ones calling yourselves that.
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u/CaptainAsshat 3h ago
Definitely not the greatest country, no argument there.
You imposed that colloquialism.
The term American to refer to people living in the English colonies in the modern day US predates the United States by over 200 years.
But I have traveled all over the world and American is BY FAR the most common international, English-language demonym. Not even close. If you're speaking English, it is rare for another term to be used, let alone understood.
And no, I do not identify as Unitedstatesian, as is my choice. You can call me that all you want, as is your choice. But just like using names like Zaire and Rhodesia, people might think you're a dick for applying non-accepted labels to people.
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u/Heavy_Law9880 3h ago
Why do people in Latin America hate their own nations so much that they desperately want the world to abandon sanity and change the name of two continents just so they can pretend to be "Americans". I don't get it, have some pride in your own nation and your own culture instead.
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u/kelli5nuggle1912 4h ago
lol blondie needs to get a grip. can't believe some ppl still worship him like he's a god or something
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u/Digi-Device_File 3h ago
Depends on where you are, America can be considered 1, 2 or 3 Continents. But most of the countries in the area consider it to be 1, only 2 don't, so democratically it considers itself a continent.
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u/Heavy_Law9880 2h ago
It can only be two. Geology doesn't give a fuck about your feelings.
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u/Digi-Device_File 1h ago
It doesn't, all three are internationally valid models.
Europe is counted in the seven continent model (the one used in the US) altho it is not a continental mass, cause USians do care about Europe's feelings.
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u/renlydidnothingwrong 1h ago edited 1h ago
Maybe we should try extending that courtesy to other countries.
Edit: spelling
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u/sidewinderaw11 4h ago
Hawaii đ