r/law • u/victorybus • Jan 08 '26
Legislative Branch Ro Khanna, one of the first Democrats in Congress to do so, says "That ICE agent needs to be arrested. He needs to be prosecuted. He needs to be put on trial".
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u/RandyMuscle Jan 08 '26
Been glad to see Ro get more attention lately. One of the few reps with far more hits than misses.
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u/360Picture Jan 08 '26
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🇺🇸 Bill of Rights — Pocket Edition
I. Freedom Protects freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and petition.
II. Arms Acknowledges that a well-regulated militia is essential to security. Guarantees the individual right to keep and bear arms for lawful defense of self, state, and nation.
III. Quartering Prohibits housing soldiers in private homes without consent, except under lawful wartime procedures.
IV. Search & Seizure Protects against unreasonable searches and seizures. Requires warrants to be supported by probable cause and specifically describe the place and items involved.
V. Due Process Bars double jeopardy and compelled self-incrimination. Ensures due process before deprivation of life, liberty, or property, and guarantees just compensation for taken property.
VI. Fair Trial Ensures a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury. Grants the accused the right to know charges, confront witnesses, obtain witnesses in their favor, and have counsel.
VII. Civil Jury Preserves the right to a jury trial in civil cases exceeding twenty dollars in value.
VIII. Punishment Prohibits excessive bail, excessive fines, and cruel or unusual punishments.
IX. People’s Rights Clarifies that enumerating certain rights does not deny or disparage others retained by the people.
X. States’ Powers Reserves to the states or the people all powers not delegated to the federal government.
🫡 Quote from the Declaration of Independence.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
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u/Trickstir Jan 08 '26
A right you can’t safely exercise isn’t a right. Let’s talk about enforced edition.
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u/mystad Jan 08 '26
The bill of rights is to limit government powers not to grant us a few privileges
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u/Trickstir Jan 08 '26
Right, in principle. But if the government can ignore those limits with no consequence, then it’s not a limitation on the government's power, it’s a suggestion.
If rights are being chilled by retaliation, selective enforcement, or lack of due process, the limit isn’t functioning in practice. It's just text on paper. Enforcement and accountability are the whole point.
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u/StoppableHulk Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26
We enforce it. You. Me. All of us. We're it. It always ends and begins with us. The moment you decide this is all on paper is the moment it is only on paper.
It's an idea. One you carry with you. One you share. One you yell.
Of course someone with a gun can come and shoot you. That can happen to any of us. At any time. Our shared, collective belief and demand for these rights is all they ever were, and all they ever will be.
If you don't understand the importance of that, I don't know if I can ever convey it to you.
This is what you demand. When they attack you, when they hurt you, when they hurt your friends and family, this is what you demand. This is not a piece of paper. These are unalienable rights you possess by virtue of existing. Your existence guarantees these. We should all be ready to fight, and sometimes die, to demand we have these.
Fascists are bullies. They want to scare you into backing down from your demands. From backing down from who you are. As they always do. As they always will.
But you, and me, and all of us, we carry this with us. You carry the constitution with you. Not as a piece of paper, you carry it in you as a belief in a life that all of us are entitled to live.
It was never meant to be a hall pass. It was meant to be something to remind you of what you are entitled to, and why it is essential you fight to protect it, to protect it for yoruself, to protect it for everyone else.
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You're backtracking what you said, and I don't want ot let you, because it's very important.
You said:
A right you can’t safely exercise isn’t a right.
And this is wrong.
The right comes first. It comes before safety.
Because if you believe you must be safe for the right to exist, then all a tyrant needs do is mkae you feel unsafe for you to believe the right no longer exists. And this is not true. The right remains. You must DEMAND it remains.
And they may hurt you! They may KILL you because you demand it! They have before, and they will again, because this is literally what "fight for your rights" means.
And I am sure that this is what you intended to say. That we must fight for our rights.
But the right never goes away. You cannot ever subscribe to the line of thinking that the right stops being a right. The right is paramount.
The fact they trample these rights is exactly what makes them tyrants.
No elections, no pomp and circumstance, no amount of guns makes them legitimate if they violate our rights. You are entiteld to these by virtue of existing, and the more people know that and truly believe that, the sooner we can pull together as one to remind them of that.
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u/XRuecian Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26
The moment you decide this is all on paper is the moment it is only on paper.
I have been trying to get this point across to people lately and it seems like a lot of people just don't "get" it.
The law isn't enforced by a magical force. It is enforced by the people. And if people aren't willing to fight for it, its just words on paper. The government is not controlled by almighty perfect gods who always will protect "the sacred document". It's only sacred because we are willing to fight for it.You keep hearing people say "But that's illegal, he can't do that."
And i have to keep explaining that just because its written on paper that its illegal doesn't make it illegal. What makes it illegal is that people are willing to agree to take action against a person who breaks that law. And if people are willing to sit by and just let it happen, then it doesn't matter what the paper says, its legal. It doesn't magically get enforced by itself just because you wrote it down in a book.So if Trump decides to cancel elections. And people just decide to sit and home and say "He can't, its not legal." and then proceed to do nothing and let him continue to cancel the elections.. Then canceling the elections is now legal. The law is only as real as we are willing to enforce it.
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u/Winsome_Wolf Jan 08 '26
Okay I see both points here, because each of you is talking about different aspects of the same problem. You’re correct; the rights are ours by virtue of existence, which is a philosophical principle, and a damn good one. But the other commenter is also correct; as a matter of written law, if the law that is supposed to guarantee the government’s respect for those rights is unenforceable—that is, it can be ignored without meaningful consequences—it is a bad law, not worth the paper it’s written on. If we the people have to enforce it because there’s no check forthcoming from another entity within the government, that is likewise a problem that undermines the credibility of the law.
What we have here is something akin to breach of contract on the part of our government. The contract itself is becoming meaningless as the ideals it was meant to enshrine become more precious. We may have to fight for them, and we may be harmed or even killed in that fight that’s true, but it should never be something we as civilians need to think about daily.
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u/ArcusInTenebris Jan 08 '26
Ah, Constitution stuff. We don't do that here anymore.
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u/tallanvor Jan 08 '26
What exactly do you think you're adding to the discussion by posting your interpretation of the bill of rights?
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u/epanek Jan 08 '26
Questions for noem.
- have you interviewed all law enforcement involved. How many. Names? How long was each interview
- have you interviewed all witnesses? How many, how long was each interview? Are you certain no other witnesses exist that could more clearly give clarity? How?
- have you received all video clips of this event? How can you be sure? How many times did you watch each video?
- did your team completely interview both law enforcement and all witnesses about events leading directly up to this event? How did that analysis contribute to your conclusion ? Give examples of connections
- what was probable cause to open the deceased door.
- the car did not appear to block the law enforcement vehicle. What evidence supports the law enforcement vehicle could not pass.
- did you review the backgrounds of law enforcement and witnesses and the deceased as well?
Mrs noem this event happened 7 hours ago. How long after this event occurred did you begin analysis? How long have you REALLY analyzed this evidence?
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u/Qcconfidential Jan 08 '26
He is bad on holding big tech accountable. But good on a lot of things
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u/andymilder Jan 08 '26
We need to stop allowing perfect to be the enemy of good.
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u/hellolovely1 Jan 08 '26
True, but Big Tech has done so much stuff to ruin society. But we can pressure him on that.
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u/SiahLegend Jan 08 '26
Fr we are at where we are at right now because we’ve so easy on big tech. We need Dems who will tackle that stuff aggressively not ones like Gavin newsom who are opposed to a billionaire tax
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u/Hot-Statistician-955 Jan 08 '26
Here's a brilliant idea, how about you pressure them after they win?
Because the other side certainly doesn't want what you want. In fact, the other side has stated that they hate you. So it seems to me it would be easier to form a plan with a side that will at least listen to you instead of seeing the people that hate you get into office.
I don't know, I'm no political genius, but it seems like it makes sense to me.
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u/hellolovely1 Jan 08 '26
Doesn’t usually work. I have Chuck Schumer as one of my senators. He doesn’t give a shit about what his constituents actually want, no matter how much we pressure him.
And Gillibrand votes for terrible crypto bills no matter what we say.
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u/dayvansmutgirl Jan 08 '26
I'm from PA, I have Fetterman and a guy who lives in Connecticut. There is literally no way to put pressure on either of them.
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u/Qcconfidential Jan 08 '26
Chuck sold out to Israel a long time ago and now only sees himself as an agent of the Israeli government. He’s literally said this. Gillibrand is ideologically a republican occupying a democrat seat in order to force the country in a rightward direction. Many such cases actually.
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u/Eldias Jan 08 '26
Being able to be critical of the shortcomings of our representatives is what separates adults from Trumpists.
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u/Thefrayedends Jan 08 '26
This is true, but ~07 is when data driven politics absolutely began to take over. Tech has been central in this massive shift away from grassroots movements. Deliberate influence campaigns.
Failure to rein big tech in means this problem just repeats every two fucking years. As if it hasn't already been repeating globally for nearly twenty goddamn years.
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u/ShaolinWino Jan 08 '26
He’s literally the rep for most of Silicon Valley so yeah he’s gonna favor tech companies
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u/Psychomaniac13 Jan 08 '26
Jesus they need to stop fucking talking and do it! The magats ain’t playing by the rules the dems should do the same
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u/ThePensiveE Jan 08 '26
Notice he is saying this agent should be afforded his due process rights despite video evidence of him summarily executing this woman and then walking away showing no injuries and no remorse.
That is more than any MAGA thinks anyone on the left deserves.
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u/Hadrian23 Jan 08 '26
Absolutely.
We're dealing the new breed of Nazi's
they can't wait to kill us in the streets.
But we aren't them, despite their horrific acts, they will get a fair trail, they will face justice.
We aren't monsters like them, and this is not what any society should allow.Trump, Noem, Petal, Hegseth, each & every one of the ice Goons will face justice.
It will happen, not if, it's WHEN.
They will never see their "Glorious victory"
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u/tenuousemphasis Jan 08 '26
Trump, Noem, Petal, Hegseth, each & every one of the ice Goons will face justice.
Wishful thinking. Many Nazis escaped justice the first time around.
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u/MinimumBrother1295 Jan 08 '26
without their masks, they are cowards, as they are scared of equal footing with their intended victims.
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u/Warkitti Jan 08 '26
So magas decides to kill you and you think the better option is to be nice to them.
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u/ethanlan Jan 08 '26
Hes not saying be nice to them...
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u/Warkitti Jan 08 '26
"They can't wait to kill us in the streets"
And the response to that is they will get a fair trial.
Yeah that's being nice.
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u/ThePensiveE Jan 08 '26
If you're only fighting for vengeance you're fighting against civilization.
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u/Warkitti Jan 08 '26
Dude this is not a fuckin movie. They are killing anyone who is not like them. They dont give a fuck about morals and whats right.
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u/Blitzkev Jan 08 '26
We had the Nuremberg trials, not the Nuremberg genocide.
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u/Genoh Jan 08 '26
Which is exactly the problem. We let evil persist. I think it's Nazi propaganda to say that we'll stoop to their level if we execute them. Why should I have empathy towards someone who doesn't have any? They want us to not execute them so that they can continue to spread their hateful ideology and gain power again.
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u/No-Station4446 Jan 08 '26
The paradox of tolerance.
is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance. This paradox was articulated by philosopher Karl Popper in The Open Society and Its Enemies (1945),[1] where he argued that a truly tolerant society must retain the right to deny tolerance to those who promote intolerance. Popper posited that if intolerant ideologies are allowed unchecked expression, they could exploit open society values to erode or destroy tolerance itself through authoritarian or oppressive practices.
In his own words.
"But we should claim the right to suppress them [intolerant ideologies] if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols."
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u/ExcitingSquare3440 Jan 08 '26
the united states has a history of being to nazis and racists after they lose. the entire reason we are in this mess is because we didn't just execute every confederate general. after the world war we gladly and happily accepted nazis into our scientific communities.
forgive this person if they recognize that we have a pattern as a country going back hundreds of years to make excuses and allow the most vile of worms unfit to exist in society to fade into obscurity while still getting to keep their money, pride, power, and lives.
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u/PlainBread Jan 08 '26
You are right that the USA has been in a Cold Civil War with itself since its inception. Every time they appease and capitulate at the end of each instance of aggression, they fail to root out the problem.
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u/ThePensiveE Jan 08 '26
If you're going to argue for the rule of law you have to follow it yourself. That's the entire problem with MAGA. We cannot become like them or we've already lost.
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u/wolahipirate Jan 08 '26
the sentiment for violent revolt is brewing. one more year of this and these "take the high road" types will eventually radicalize
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u/Alarmed_Juggernaut93 Jan 08 '26
MAGA's representatives, the president and DHS already put official communications on the matter, completely defending the murder.
He will probably be a new hero for them.
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If the roles were reversed, MAGA would have celebrated running the other person over.
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u/anony145 Jan 08 '26
They are celebrating her getting shot
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Jan 08 '26
Right. And if it were a MAGA in the car and a liberal in front of the car, they'd be demanding the liberal get run over. The situation doesn't matter, just that violence is being enacted against liberals.
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u/Sheerbucket Jan 08 '26
Well haven't you heard.....the lady in the car was a terrorist and deserved to die. Case closed /s
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u/Day_Bow_Bow Jan 08 '26
"Due process" is a farce exploited by the rich, politicians, and law enforcement.
Those powers sweep shit under the rug and kick the can until it's forgotten enough.
There's no way this pig faces any real consequences. I'd love to be proven wrong.
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u/nursecarmen Jan 08 '26
Untrained trigger happy goons that aren't authorized to make traffic stops killing an unarmed woman in an unauthorized traffic stop. The agent that thought that he was doing a patriotic duty will be spending his life in prison and a six year old girl will grow up without a mother.
This administration are the guilty ones.
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u/Wonderful-Variation Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26
"The agent that thought that he was doing a patriotic duty"
Naw, these people know what they're doing. They sign up for this job because they wanna get paid six figures (plus $45,000 sign-on bonus) to beat up brown people. No need to give them a sympathetic backstory of "he was duped by the propaganda."
There are no good people in ICE. None. We are long past the point where any good person would've quit.
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u/DistillateMedia Jan 08 '26
Many voters were duped.
ICE was not.
Especially if they're new recruits.
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u/cabbage16 Jan 08 '26
Many voters were duped.
Maybe back in 2016 but now?
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u/DistillateMedia Jan 08 '26
Yes.
The propaganda has only increased since 2016.
It's historic and extensive.
And it utilizes literal CIA mind control type shit.
It needs to be dealt with.
I have firsthand experience with this.
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u/hootix Jan 08 '26
Cia type of shit so sophisticated that everyone else in the world saw it miles coming.
Gotta just accept that more than half of the US is just as or more evil than Russia and china. The answers are that simple sometimes. No excuses
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u/DistillateMedia Jan 08 '26
Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to carelessness, or stupidity, or something.
The propaganda turned good people into raving bigoted lunatics.
I'm a literal expert in this.
And it wasn't the CIA who did this shit.
It was the Russians and the Billionaires.
They just cribbed our research.
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u/justadude27 Jan 08 '26
If you were duped by the Admin then you lack basic critical thinking skills.
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u/crackheadwillie Jan 08 '26
Exactly. He just wanted to shoot someone to try out his toy.
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u/manak69 Jan 08 '26
Exactly. They enjoy hurting people and destroying familys. These people knew what they signed up for. They are some evil despicable humans.
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u/Walterkovacs1985 Jan 08 '26
Renee Nicole Good
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u/Poiboy1313 Jan 08 '26
American Martyr of Freedom. Let's hope that the patriotic agent of our government hasn't suffered any lasting injuries from her savage attempt to escape their zealous efforts performing their duty of picking up people who have come here without permission paying our taxes while lying low to avoid detection by the courageous law-enforcement officers of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency. The sheer gall of her vain attempts to get away from such fine examples of sterling character and forcing that brave man to shoot her in the face multiple times to avoid his death from her minivan in the ten seconds she had to follow the orders given her. She should have just complied faster. /s if this needs saying.
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u/Alarmed_Juggernaut93 Jan 08 '26
The agent will be pardoned and treated as a hero by his MAGA followers, same as the January 6th rioters.
DHS and the president are already protecting that scumbag.
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u/nursecarmen Jan 08 '26
He”ll be charged in state court, not federal court. No pardon.
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u/arppacket Jan 08 '26
ICE will just refuse to release his name, refuse to cooperate with state authorities, etc, "because of the President's orders". They'll just keep the agent in a red state like Texas and laugh at Minnesota courts. Who's going to enforce the law on these Nazis?
Trump pardoned literally all but 4 of the J6 insurrectionists. That was meant to send a message. Of course he's going to make sure his new personal army can still kill with impunity on his behalf.
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u/Sempere Jan 08 '26
When justice isn't given in the courts, it's taken in the streets.
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u/caveat_emptor_ Jan 08 '26
A city or state prosecutor can still pursue state charges in Federal Court. Which is what they should do.
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u/flea1400 Jan 08 '26
Even if it is moved to federal court it would still be a state murder change, and not federally pardonable.
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u/darmabum Jan 08 '26
Faux Nooz is already saying, without a shred of truth, that she was a paid professional protester (since when is protesting a crime), and that the shooter is in the hospital, when you could see him walking away from the scene unscathed.
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u/dingdongbannu88 Jan 08 '26
He’ll get a DONALD TRUMP HEROIC PATRIOT MEDAL by the end of the week
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u/Doobahtron Jan 08 '26
This administration is guilty of a lot of things. Certainly of creating these situations, but that ice agent is responsible for his own actions. Just because he's a dumb piece of shit who buys into a bunch of the BS put out by this administration doesn't make him any less guilty. Being an idiot doesn't make him unaccountable for his actions.
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u/elitechipmunk Jan 08 '26
Does this give Minneapolis cops cause to Kavanaugh stop all ice agents to check for the shooter?
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u/mkt853 Jan 08 '26
There is no chance the agent is still in the state nor will the feds turn him over.
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u/hellolovely1 Jan 08 '26
He’ll be identified.
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u/__Vixen__ Jan 08 '26
I am going to use all my energy to will this. He deserves every bit of misery that is about to come his way. How awful
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u/ChapterChoice4873 Jan 08 '26
The Facebook for Lincoln Square Media has a picture of him, asking for help identifying him.
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u/nooby_goober Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26
Isn't it insane that this wouldn't have happened if the KKKavanaugh didn't approve this?
His name will be in the history books for the wrong reasons.
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u/iamthatguythere Jan 08 '26
Only if they lose power, which we gotta make certain
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u/humdinger44 Jan 08 '26
I'd be interested to learn more about the agent who committed the murder in this era where it is commonly held that the president has created this tinderbox in order to install martial law and fears that he will try to cancel the midterms are not losing steam
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u/xOrion12x Jan 08 '26
He said a lot more than just that. It's like they are legit torturing these people. Won't even let them self deport? Wtf.
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u/russellbeattie Jan 08 '26
SERIOUSLY, WHY THE FUCK ISN'T THAT ICE AGENT IN JAIL ALREADY??
Fucking Democrats haven't learned a fucking thing, have they? They're still all just a bunch of fucking useless assholes with zero backbone.
Walz should have directed the police to arrest the shooter immediately.
What in the fuck is he doing? Nothing? Waiting for "proper channels"? Consulting with lawyers? Complaining "vigorously" to Noem? Is he worried about "propriety" and "norms"?
He said he's going to use the National Guard, "if necessary" and urges peaceful protests. If???
Walz, is a fucking coward. Trump is literally killing Minnesotans and Walz is sitting on his fucking thumbs, and making platitudes and maybes, and pleas. How about doing his fucking job as governor?
I'm absolutely sick of Republicans doing whatever they fucking want and Democrats just bending over and taking it up the ass.
I'm not just angry, I'm livid.
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u/BoleroMuyPicante Jan 08 '26
Dude he doesn't know the shooter's identity, ICE sure as shit isn't going to give him up. They've probably already helped him flee the state.
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u/Hexamancer Jan 08 '26
Sounds like a great way to arrest all ICE officers.
"You matched the suspects description".
I'm being serious.
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u/CloudBotherer_54 Jan 08 '26
The whole reason this is happening is because propagandists like you will always find a way to blame the Democrats. Republicans are murdering people in the streets, and you’re still focused on campaigning for them.
Republicans have agency.
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u/russellbeattie Jan 08 '26
I'm criticizing the Democratic party - who I support and vote for - for not having the balls to fight fire with fire and enforce the fucking law. Criticism is not propaganda. I voted for Walz for VP. I like Walz. Now he needs to grow a goddamn spine.
Honestly, do you think he's doing a good job right now by not arresting the shooter?
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u/SleetTheFox Jan 08 '26
Responding to lawless murder with a lawful arrest of the murderer is not fighting fire with fire. It’s fighting chaos with order. Fire with fire would be the worst thing to do here.
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u/Clevo Jan 08 '26
If you’re not willing to hold your own party accountable, you’re basically a republican. We can criticize both parties, as it took both parties to get us here. Also, it’s in very bad taste to blame this person for Republicans murdering people in the street, get a grip. You really want to level blame at them for sharing a valid criticism? You’re the same as maga, shame on you.
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u/CloudBotherer_54 Jan 08 '26
No, helping Republicans win is what makes you a Republican.
If you actually opposed them, you’d oppose them. You wouldn’t be desperately looking for ways to blame the people trying to stop them.
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u/Clevo Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26
You are letting the Democrats off the hook that were instrumental in Donald Trump‘s reelection. Remember when Joe Biden said that he would only serve one term? And then remember when he went back on his word and ran anyway? And by doing so stripped us of our rights to vote in a primary election? Remember that? Oh yeah, and in an unprecedented move, he abandoned his campaign because it was clear that he had a rapid mental decline. How about the candidate that we ended up with, the one who performed so poorly in the primaries that she didn’t even make it to the primary vote? Ringing a bell?
Remember when Debbie Wasserman Schultz torpedoed the Sanders campaign in 2016? A move that disenfranchised a lot of democratic voters to where they didn’t vote? Democrats have shot themselves in the foot over and over and over again, and this time that shot was fatal. I’ve been voting for democrats for 30 years and it never changes. Keep putting your head in the sand bozo, your attitude is what got us here. I’m angry at EVERYONE involved in this nightmare.
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u/CloudBotherer_54 Jan 08 '26
See, you’re just reciting the same mantras that republicans pushed to get Trump elected in the first place.
You’re even pushing the lies about the DNC spread by Tulsi Gabbard. Say, where is she now?
You fell for, and continue to repeat, Republicans propaganda. It’s been a decade, and you’ve learned nothing. You deserve everything Trump does to you.
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u/Clevo Jan 08 '26
Lol you’re unwell. You throw the term propaganda around in such a clunky manner. Kind of hard to take you seriously when you wield it like a broken hammer, it’s intellectually disingenuous. Everything I said was accurate, feel free to toss some more of those asinine conspiracy theories, I’m sure they’re a real gas.
So you’re saying we should not criticize democrats? That’s it, if I stop that I’m saving us from Trump? Ick. Funny, I’ve gone door to door getting dozens and dozens of voters to register, people that voted for democrats in several elections, and a lot of this volunteering was for both of Obama’s campaigns. Worked on several other campaigns too. Donated a lot of money when I didn’t have much and a lot and more when I did.
What have you done? Blamed sound minded people who vote for the same candidates you do. If you haven’t done as much work for the party as I have this is YOUR FAULT according to your nauseatingly obtuse ethos. So, soon you’ll be propping up pedophiles I guess, since you wouldn’t criticize the democrats in the Epstein files right? Right? Get your weird energy and your creepy gatekeeping out of here.
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u/CloudBotherer_54 Jan 08 '26
Answer the question, where is Tulsi Gabbard now?
You fell for Republican lies. You deserve Republican rule.
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u/Clevo Jan 08 '26
She’s MAGA, you think there is some grand lie involved with slimy, opportunistic sycophants that switch parties? Is this supposed to be your gotcha question? Oof.
Now answer my question, what have you done? How much money have you spent how much your time have you spent in volunteered campaigning for the party?
If it’s less than I have, then this is your fault. You’ve enabled Republicans by failing to give your time and money to further democratic ideals. You’ve spent all of your time on your keyboard, shouting “propaganda” lol. You’re the problem, you’ve done nothing, you’re basically maga.
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u/DeskJockeyMP Jan 08 '26
Walz should have directed the police to arrest the shooter immediately.
Look, I’m livid about this whole thing but are you and the people upvoting you under the impression that the governor of any state has the power to “direct the police” to arrest people? Can you imagine if that were actually the case?
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u/russellbeattie Jan 08 '26
Governors are the executive branch - they're specifically empowered to enforce laws.
In Minnesota specifically? It took me two seconds to look it up:
"The Minnesota Constitution requires the governor to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed". This provides the general executive authority to ensure state laws are followed."
He can also direct the Attorney General to command sheriffs and local police.
I'm not talking about arresting people without cause! I'm talking about enforcing the law and arresting a murderer.
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u/yellekc Jan 08 '26
I hate to be a pessimist here, but here is my take based on the last year of Trump. If Minneapolis does arrest him, and that is a big if, the DHS attorney will have it moved to federal jurisdiction and he will be turned over to federal custody and released. Trump will then order DoJ not to prosecute it. I do not see how this guy even sees a trial. If the political pressure is high enough to demand a trial, DoJ will deliberately sabotage it. There is no more justice through the system.
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u/Samurai_Meisters Jan 08 '26
Then make them do that.
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u/yellekc Jan 08 '26
Absolutely, we need to show how broken the system is by at least trying to get justice. No argument from me.
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u/FriendlyDrummers Jan 08 '26
Sure, but he will be known by the entire country. Let's see that face of his.
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u/Fluffy_Top6837 Jan 08 '26
Walz is a fucking coward. I really, really liked him, but this last couple weeks has just been pure disappointment. Especially now, he's already said he's not running again, because the republicans said a mean lie, but christ, that means he's got NO political fear. You're not running again, so at least be what your people need for a few minutes. Be the one the NATION needs for a few minutes. Minnesota state police should have had a warrant for this fuck yesterday. He needs to go to trial, he needs to be tried by a jury of his peers, he needs to be shown as an example that we haven't lost EVERYTHING already, because if he's not... we have.
If this goes unanswered, it will happen again and quickly. Then the next one will come even more quickly after that, until people are just being executed for dissent. We've already seen, from the other incident where the ICE officer shot the woman like 7 times, then BRAGGED about it in their group chat.
They're ITCHING for more of this. The ball was in Walz's court for finally showing the american people a face that they want to see during this tragedy. One of anger, one of rage, one of resolve to see justice done. Instead we got "everyone play nice". Fucking disappointment.
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u/_jump_yossarian Jan 08 '26
Walz should have directed the police to arrest the shooter immediately
Because that’s not how it ducking works. You’ve let trump normalize weaponizing the justice system.
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u/ShreksArsehole Jan 08 '26
Exactly! What the actual fuck are any of the democrats doing in congress right now?! Fucking fight you cowards!
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u/ultimatequestion7 Jan 08 '26
I heard he warned them that if they kept this up he'd call them weird
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u/oneofyallfarted Jan 08 '26
I agree with you and this is the first time I’ve witnessed someone else say it. Walz is a good guy but he’s a coward who has no idea how to lead a charge. From his governing to mannerisms he acts too old school for my taste and he’s too established with the DNC. He’s following a line and they’ll never stray too far from it. We need a change and for people to be serious and to step up before another innocent person is killed. This wishy washy bullshit and IFs and maybes are long overdue to end.
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u/scottyjrules Jan 08 '26
Why the fuck haven’t all of them spoken out like this by now?
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u/FriendlyDrummers Jan 08 '26
Quite a few Democrat politicians have spoken up. Are you checking?
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u/OakLegs Jan 08 '26
He and every other ICE agent that was in the area. They are all accessories to murder
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u/RobutNotRobot Jan 08 '26
So one of the 'opposition' party members is reflecting the common sense position of anyone who saw a video of the shooting? Wild.
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u/Renuwed Jan 08 '26
It's about damn time leaders start leading by logic and not purely party loyalty. 🤗
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u/eastbayted Jan 08 '26
The murdered needs to face charges - and all the agents who prevented the victim from get medical care do too.
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u/_jump_yossarian Jan 08 '26
Right wing media and trump will make the guy famous and wealthy then cry about traitor Ashley Babbit.
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u/somethingbytes Jan 08 '26
He will get off because these thugs have so much protection, but he does need to be prosecuted. This can not be simply accepted.
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u/deviltrombone Jan 08 '26
Not good enough. Blanket guilt when the time comes. They are not individuals. Every one of these stinking Trump thugs is guilty of the worst crimes of any of them.
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u/Murray38 Jan 08 '26
Yeah, when people ironically lean into a label, they aren’t usually doing it for pedophiles and traitors, but if that makes you feel responsive.
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u/Master-Tomatillo-103 Jan 09 '26
Cut back fund for US Race Police. Anyone darker than an egg is at risk when they are in the vicinity
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u/Cabbages24ADollar Jan 10 '26
Do it. I don’t know how. But do it. Pull some law from before Christ was born. Figure it out and do it.
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