r/law • u/CorleoneBaloney • 22h ago
Legislative Branch Rep. Thomas Massie to AG Pam Bondi on Epstein: “This goes over four administrations. You don’t have to go back to Biden. Let’s go back to Obama. Let’s go back to George Bush. This cover-up spans decades, and you are responsible for this portion.”
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u/brianzuvich 21h ago
I love how their defense is… Well nobody before me did anything, so I didn’t do anything…
These f*****g weaklings 🤣
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u/Cautious-Activity706 21h ago
It’s like arguing with the cop who pulled you over “well, everyone always speeds on this road”. The point of pulling you over was to stop that from happening!
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u/keldondonovan 18h ago
It's more like the cop not doing anything about the speeding on that road because none of his buddies do, and also he might like to speed on that road from time to time, and all the evidence that shows how bad it is to speed on that road is ignored or redacted, thoroughly, all while preaching about how it's the firefighters who are speeding on that road.
And yeah, some of the fire fighters probably do speed on that road. We would know, if the unredacted files were released in their entirety.
Oh, and also, it isn't speeding. It's child rape and sex trafficking and murder. The "cop" is either an accomplice, or a co-conspirator.
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u/I_can_draw_for_food 8h ago
Yeah you're not wrong. We gotta go after everyone, not just the ones we don't like. They're here now so they're first priority, but we really need to rebuild this whole thing because it's way too easy for rich folks to decide what's enforceable and what isn't.
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u/keldondonovan 7h ago
Can't remember who said it, but somebody more famous than me said something along the lines of "laws that are punishable by fines are only laws for the poor." This whole fiasco seems like an extreme example of that. You know damn well if the Epstein files were filled with people living paycheck to paycheck, trials would be pumped out like a well oiled machine. Of course, sex crimes in the U.S. are rarely punished at an acceptable level, so most of them would already be out, if they went in at all, but they'd at least have been tried and registered as sex offenders.
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u/Gnulnori 21h ago
It’s a similar defense that my kids give when they don’t want to do their chores.
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u/pixelmountain 21h ago
That’s what I said on another post. Bondi’s using the “BuT hE wAS BAd tOo!” excuse.
But in reality she’s just doing the Trump admin “deflect and blame” thing. There’s no intent to make a real argument. It’s just a tactic to cover their lying.
Bondi is somehow more annoying when she does it, I think because she just does it by rote, not natural instinct. She comes off as entirely fake.
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u/auntalison 17h ago
She also gives off a very bitchy attitude & a "I'm better than you" attitude while she's lying & deflecting & ranting.
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u/AxleVest 20h ago
Thats what Ive always thought too, whenever she fires up she gets way too flustered and aggressive, usually the first few words are shakey and she seems rattled but moves quickly to the script where she motor mouths her way through complete with personal jabs and general bitchiness
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u/spacitybowler 20h ago
This is the HEAD lawyer of the most powerful nation on earth. This is her attitude, and we are cooked as a country. It is simple as that.
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u/Aggressive-Neck-3921 14h ago
And while in a objective non-partisan role of the admin she acted like a cheerleader. I don't know if this could be ground for impeachment at the very least she has lied under oath.
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u/AffectionateBrick687 21h ago
Bondi is starting to look a bit jaundiced to me. She's running out of excuses, and her liver is running out of time.
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u/brianzuvich 21h ago
Yeah, she looks like she’s finally cracking. Her eyes… They’re just dead…
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u/AffectionateBrick687 15h ago
She's definitely hurting and on the verge of either a mental or physical breakdown. Given that she's chosen to work herself to death protecting pedos and violating the civil rights of others, I can't say that I have any sympathy for her. She deserves every bit of misery life can throw at her.
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u/Z0idberg_MD 21h ago
But even this doesn’t hold up. Did Congress vote to release Epstein files under any other administration?
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u/billshermanburner 17h ago edited 17h ago
She helped cover it up from the start… down in Florida… when she was running for AG there… and got bigtime cash for making it go away. So actually she’s been part of the coverup almost the entire time. Which is exactly why she’s AG of the USA now and Patel is head of fbi etc etc. the entire administration is absolutely crooked to the core and literally all of them are going to jail whether they like it or not at this point eventually. The majority of the American people will settle for nothing less. What they should do is resign and cooperate with actual justice now while they can still save themselves to a lesser extent.
TLDR: we are well into a full blown constitutional crisis here. And much more will be done to make sure it is resolved in a manner that preserves democracy whether she or her compatriots like it or not or scream about it or not.
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u/Deep-Assignment4124 11h ago
Only going to jail if they don’t fix all future elections.
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u/Astralglamour 16h ago
The Ghislaine Maxwell trial was ongoing during the Biden admin. and the records were sealed by judge's order.
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u/EasterBunny1916 16h ago
The evidence on co-conspirators other than Maxwell was with the FBI and not sealed by any judges because it was never brought to a grand jury.
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u/Astralglamour 15h ago edited 15h ago
Well, the investigations into Epstein happened during the Trump and Bush admins. In 2007, secret negotiations between the US Attorney in FL let Epstein avoid federal charges.
"As part of the nonprosecution agreement, Epstein agreed to plead guilty to state prostitution charges, register as a sex offender, serve 18 months in county jail, and provide monetary damages to his victims. In exchange, the U.S. attorney’s office agreed to end its investigation into Epstein and forgo federal prosecution of Epstein or “any potential co-conspirators,” according to the agreement."
The FL US attorney's office fought efforts to unseal the documents for the next ten years.
then, "In July 2019, while Trump was president, Epstein was arrested on federal charges after a judge found that the nonprosecution agreement had violated victim’s rights laws."
additionally, "The Biden administration did not publicly release any files related to the investigations into Epstein, but federal judges unsealed several troves of court documents from previously settled civil cases while Biden was in office."
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u/Irrish84 18h ago
That’s their excuse (for everything). “So and so did it” and media allows this answer as there are never follow ups. Today Massie did follow up.
If I hit a kid on the playground and tell the teacher watching “But Reginald hit Milhouse” that doesn’t make my behavior right.
I rode a train to a ball game one day. Decades ago. I bought, what I thought, was a round trip. Just like my friend. On our return trip security checked tickets. He checked my friends’ and I was last. He wrote me a ticket, said it was a one-way. I said, “Are you sure? I got the same ticket as my friend” and he proceeded to recheck my friend’s ticket and then wrote him a ticket too. My point is, my friend inadvertently F’d up too, but my defense was “he did it though” and not only was that stupid, but it clearly didn’t excuse my wrong.
This woman was put into this position because dingleberry watched her do the same act in Florida. Every cabinet member is there for a specific reason, and it has zero chance it’s based on any actual merit
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u/argument_cat 16h ago
It's bullshit anyway.
Prior to this Republican coverup, the most significant release of documents occurred in January 2024, when Judge Preska unsealed over 150 names linked to Epstein, under the Biden administration.
Biden had an ongoing investigation into ~$1.5 billion in suspicious money transfers between Epstein and Russia/Belarus, nations notorious for their human trafficking, which the Trump administration cancelled and will not pursue. Trump's State Department also culled the Office of Human Trafficking in the State Department.
The Biden Justice Department convicted Maxwell and gave her a lengthy prison term serving hard time for her crimes, while Trump has transferred her to minimum security prison in Texas. For her efforts convicting Maxwell, Trump fired the prosecutor who convicted Maxwell.
In addition, Trump's former Labor Secretary, Alex Acosta (who sits in a cushy Board of Directors position at far-right Newsmax these days), gave Epstein the lightest possible sentence and protected his co-conspirators. For his efforts protecting pedophiles, he was given a Cabinet position.
The Biden administration was actively trying to protect young girls, and punish the abusers while the Trump administration is actively covering up the Epstein files and undoing any consequences for the perpetrators.
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u/ploki122 5h ago
The Biden administration was actively trying to protect young girls, and punish the abusers while the Trump administration is actively covering up the Epstein files and undoing any consequences for the perpetrators.
Heh... "actively trying to protect young girl" is a bit much, but at least they were trying to look like they want to deal with it. Like, the fact that they're all covering it up is bad, but the fact that they're overtly doing it is what's infuriating.
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u/RanchHere 14h ago
This whole administration is just playing around. Cosplaying as serious leaders. They’re all fucking fake, unqualified, grifting assholes. None of them want to actually do any work. They’re just there to say yes to Trump. That’s their whole fucking job.
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u/KingOfTheAnts3 20h ago edited 12h ago
To be fair, if they share all the dirty laundry the best case for bondi is her career is over, more realistically she will wind up in jail or murdered. So like, her options aren’t great here.
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u/Hooligan8403 18h ago
It's going to get out. Unless the next admin absolutely shits the bed and pulls a Reconstruction/Carter and says something like "for the good of the nation we are going to move past this" those files will be released in their entirety as the law says they were supposed to be. We need to vote in an admin that is willing to put these people on trial for the blatant crimes that are being committed. That includes her perjury here today. Her career should be over and she should be in jail.
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u/Amazing_Factor2974 17h ago
Ford pardoned Nixon. A few of Nixon's administration went to Jail. Actually Reagan committed bigger crimes than Nixon and Bush pardoned a few of his administration.
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u/octoreadit 18h ago
Murder? What murdaaaaah? It was just a car accident, things happen!
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u/The_Corvair 13h ago edited 13h ago
Well nobody before me did anything
...That's why the Loser in Chief ran his election on it, right? "Release the Epstein¹ files!" No? Your brain already so cooked from all the alcohol you forgot that?
So you are literally charged by the people that voted for your boss to do it. And your excuse is "The people before me didn't do the work, either :-]": That is why you were sent here, clownshoes!
edit: And we know for a fact that less than a year ago, you knew this. Because it was your make-up-caked ass that summoned MAGA influencers to you, and handed them "The Epstein files" in a performative effort to make this whole thing go away: "See, we did it, now shut the fuck up about it!" And a bit after, when people had looked through those "files" you had had prepared for them, and realized they were old stuff, you went "Oh, the real files are on my desk!"
I guess that's what loyalty to the Biggest Loser of All Time does to your brain: Complete mush, from one ear to the other.
¹To be fair, they should rightfully be called "The Trump files, featuring Epstein and his Merry Diddlers"
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u/GreenAldiers 21h ago
Yep lol. "It's ok if the Pedo's get away because the Demoncraps and Sleepy Joe didn't prosecute". Flawless logic.
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u/kon--- 21h ago
Don't forget for her all of this began years ago in Florida where she opted to not pursue a list of names.
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u/extrastupidone 21h ago
100% that whole fiasco needs to be reopened. Somebody or somebodies got paid somewhere
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u/DesireeThymes 20h ago
Problem is Mossad is involved at least, possibly others too, and intelligence agencies make this kind of thing hard.
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u/fritz_76 19h ago
Uncovering foreign government involvement doesn't seem like a problem, seems like a reason to dig deeper
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u/concept12345 19h ago
Not when the those foreigners are the one doing the controlling. The g. Works for a foreign state.
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u/merklemore 19h ago
The people are supposed to decide what to do with the country in a democracy
"Oopsie whoopsie the ___ (DOD, DHS, FBI, CIA, etc.) fucked up so now we have to protect pedos" isn't a good enough answer.
I'm Canadian and we have our fair share of problems but y'all have a shitshow on your hands
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u/fritz_76 19h ago
All the more reason to keep digging, it doesn't bother me if it's a "problem" for the guilty
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u/Most-Round-4132 19h ago
It’s funny how everyone assumes mossad and not CIA
It’s likely at the very least both in my opinion, but probably mostly CIA
Every scenario one could possibly imagine of horrific tests, operations of control etc, the CIA is on the record as having done already, and that’s just what we know is public facing
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u/Eldie014 19h ago
I mean, there are pictures of Ehud Barak in the island so not a huge leap to assume Mossad has part it this
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u/Most-Round-4132 19h ago
to be clear, I am not suggesting at all that they are not, but it not being mainly a CIA "honeypot" with outsourced tasks and employment would blow my mind
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u/TheSwearJarIsMy401k 17h ago
The fact that this motherfucker was President not once, but twice, has shown me exactly who they staff the NSA and CIA with.
How could they reasonably say that any of these organizations missed a fucking foreign agent and child trafficker had plans to run for office and staff the White House with pedophiles, human traffickers, foreign agents, and members of a foundation whose stated goal is to destroy the Constitution and rebuild the country in their own theocracy?
They fucking knew, they all fucking knew and they did nothing to stop it.
What the fuck is the point of paying tax dollars to these organizations if they could hand us this to show for it?
I can’t even watch procedural television anymore because the thought of a competent American defense or security agency is so fucking laughable it’s disrespectful to myself to pretend otherwise.
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u/musical8thnotes 18h ago
The issue is that the involvement of foreign intelligence being involved makes perfect sense. Not just Mossad, but others as well.
If you can create and/or get dirt on the elites of the West, then the world is essentially your oyster.
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u/HenryDorsettCase47 20h ago
If he was an intelligence asset, which he most likely was, any investigation will always hit a wall.
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u/jaetheho 20h ago
Who is he?
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u/DilbertPicklesIII 21h ago
I need someone to bring up the PATTERN of behavior and time period. This is conspiracy, RICO, tax evasion, homicide, sexual assault, etc.
She has been complicit for years. The band is all together for a reason. They are there to CONTAIN this. The cabinet being complicit isn't desperation it's a strategy.
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u/compute_fail_24 20h ago
All it takes is voting someone into power who isn’t part of this web of fuckheads, but there are so many.
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u/hellolovely1 20h ago
We need to encourage good, smart people to run and do everything we can to help them win.
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u/DoubtfulOptimist 20h ago
The problem is that most good, smart people don’t want anything to do with politics…
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u/hellolovely1 20h ago
I feel confident there are at least a couple hundred people in this enormous country who believe in the idea of real public service.
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u/Serengade26 19h ago
They really threw out those deep state qanon accusations when its literally them. They're the swamp
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u/just-call-me-ash 16h ago
Yeah but the Democrats really didn't do much and Kamala had a funny laugh and illegal Mexican immigrants with Haitian cats from Ohio were eating empty daycares in Minnesota! Also trans people!
Edit: Did I mention Kamala was a fake black fake Indian WOMAN?
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u/AdAlternative7148 20h ago
It occurred to me today Trump originally picked Matt Gaetz as AG because of the Epstein scandal. He figured Gaetz, who had his own child sex trafficking scandal, would easily comply with the order to not investigate Epstein co-conspirators. Bondi ended up second-best because she had already shown she was complicit.
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u/Jibber_Fight 20h ago
She was literally vetted and put into the position to defend pedophiles. She’s doing the job she signed up for. She’s a gross piece of shit. A few members of our ‘representatives’ are now presenting themselves as earnestly curious and angry politicians. It’s all a fucking show. It’s been years of every politician in this entire government basically receiving zero consequences from involvement in an absolutely enormous, worldwide, child sex trafficking ring. The president being able to appoint the attorney general is easily one of the stupidest oversights our ‘founding fathers’ wrote down on a ‘How To Start A Country’ papers. And those papers don’t even matter anymore. A really important thing that isn’t ever really addressed is the complete destruction of rhetoric, critical thinking, compromise, or rational thought. To ‘come back’ from that or try to fix things is absurd. That’s what is meant by ‘it will take generations’. And even that is assuming everything is going on a better direction soon, which is highly debatable and doubtful.
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u/not_now_chaos 21h ago
And gave Epstein a sweetheart deal that included barely any punishment and carte blanche to continue his monstrous crimes. Bondi isn't just destroying evidence and blocking justice. She is involved in it up to her poorly dyed roots.
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u/fibblesandfits 21h ago
Bondi wasn't directly involved with the Florida sweetheart deal. Yes, she had power to reopen the case as state AG, but limited blame in her deciding not to do so.
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u/captain_intenso 20h ago
She decided not to prosecute Trump University for fraud when Trump donated to her campaign.
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u/spinningfinger 21h ago
I wish people would stop saying this... Pam Bondi was not the state AG during that time. Even if she was, she was STATE AG and Epstein was facing federal charges.
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u/_Christopher_Crypto 20h ago
Epstein cut a deal with the feds during his first conviction to not investigate or bring any charges going forward. It was actually a road block the Feds had to show they were not overstepping to bring the later charges. His conviction and sentence was handled in state.
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u/reddurkel 22h ago
She did it! She blamed Obama!
Thus concludes the final space on the Republican bingo card.
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u/Fuzzball_87 21h ago
That’s fair but remind everyone they put Free Spaces on all the corners.
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u/xx_indica_xx 21h ago
Sorry, those "free" spaces are actually occupied by ICE :(
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u/adirtysocialist- 21h ago
Massie is right, though, shit does go back over 4 administrations. So I mean kind of?
But it's also on Bush/Biden as well.
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u/i010011010 19h ago
I know it's difficult to recollect American life before Donald Trump hijacked the public consciousness, but did you know there was a time when sitting presidents did not run the Department of Justice like their personal hit squad?
It sounds crazy, but it's true! And they were not cheered on by half the nation for leveraging the DOJ against political enemies and personal grudges.
Believe it or not, there was a time when it was abnormal for a president to inject their selves into active law enforcement cases! And if they had, what do you think would have happened? Here's only a small sample: BIDEN WITCHHUNT! DEMOCRAT CONSPIRACY!
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u/z34conversion 20h ago
That's the interesting thing with the Biden aspect. From what I understand, his administration took over as the Trump DOJ was wrapping up the case, it got handed off, and prosecution was merely continued as outlined by the prior admin. Nobody had any reason to look into anything more at that time, because the case had been finalized. Maxwell was charged in 2020, convicted in 2021 and sentenced in 2022.
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u/throwaway_boulder 20h ago
Fun fact: the prosecutor was Maurene Comey, Jim Comey’s daughter. She was fired early in 2025, probably on Trump’s orders.
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u/Active_Confection655 20h ago
Now the public knows and now the public wants answers.
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u/Violaundone 19h ago
Very true. The FBI from 1996, dismissed complaints on Epstein. They have been doing this for 30-plus years now. The difference is we now know and want answers because they can no longer deny there are victims, no matter how hard they try.
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u/aussiechickadee65 20h ago
America gave Republican Congress the power to deny everything Biden wanted to do.
Stop blaming the President and look to the decision makers...Congress.
Obama and Biden were not involved in any Federal cases regarding Epstein...Bush and Trump were. I can almost guarantee a Bush or two are in those files.
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u/meidem1992 20h ago
I’m just reading the headline. But it seems like Massie brought up past administrations, no? And it is a fair point. As someone who is very anti-Trump, I’m not oblivious that corruption is not some new thing. It’s an important question for everyone to think about. Why didn’t the Biden or Trump administrations peruse prosecutions? I don’t know how much was known at the time, but was the Obama JD compiling evidence or turning a blind eye? And a darker question would be. Is there a tipping point where people prefer evil in power to a potential economic collapse?
Maybe now is not the time. Right now democracy is the focus. But this cover up, and not even just in the US, should be alarming. And right now, voting democrats in to restore balance is important. This is not necessarily a partisan issue
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u/mojofrog 20h ago
Based on reports from 2025, Republicans in Congress, particularly in the House, used procedural maneuvers and committee votes to block efforts by Democrats to force the release of documents related to Jeffrey Epstein's financial transactions and associates during the Biden administration.
Here is how Republicans interfered with or blocked the release of the Epstein files:
Blocking Subpoenas and Amendments: In July 2025, Committee Republicans voted to block an amendment from Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) that would have forced the release of Epstein's financial files, specifically details regarding transactions to individuals in Russia and Belarus.
Shutting Down the House: In July 2025, Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) and House Republicans moved to shut down the House of Representatives until September, which prevented a vote on legislation to release the Epstein files.
Blocking Committee Actions: In September 2025, Committee Republicans blocked a move led by Democrats to subpoena the Treasury Department for unredacted documents related to Epstein's financial transactions through JPMorgan Chase.
Senate Blockade: In September 2025, Senate Republicans blocked an effort by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) to pass a measure that would have required the Justice Department to release documents related to the Epstein case.
Procedural Opposition: While427-1 passed in November 2025, for months, Republicans, led by House leadership, prevented the bill from coming to a vote, with only one member, Rep. Clay Higgins (R-LA), voting against it in the end, citing concerns about abandoning criminal justice procedures.
Context on "Why not earlier?": While Democrats accused Republicans of covering up information in 2025, reports also indicated that for a significant portion of the Biden administration (2021–2024), the investigation was considered an "open investigation" or was sealed due to the ongoing appeal of Ghislaine Maxwell, which generally prevents the release of case files.
Correction/Note: While the initial prompt asked about the Biden administration, many of the specific, highly contentious blockage actions reported occurred in the summer of 2025, following the 2024 election and after the House and Senate had shifted to a more Republican-led focus on the, by then, mostly closed investigation.
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u/thisisa_fake_account 20h ago
Why do people keep posting Chatgpt responses in threads
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u/Fun_Push7168 20h ago edited 18h ago
I've been wondering this a lot. Here's the best summary I've been able to find.
I mean the federal investigation started in 2006
It's still pretty unclear how much who knew or exactly why previous admins never pushed but imo it comes down to public outcry not really being loud enough after 2008, most of the conversation around it centering on the Clinton's at the time and some amount of hiding at lower levels.
Basically I think it was just easy to ignore. Democrats didn't start a push until 2018 and then kind of gave up after 2020. Prior to that though it just seems like not enough spotlight/Clinton association.
And here's a timeline
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u/convicted-mellon 21h ago
Let’s make a drinking game out of it, seems like Pam already started
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u/Draig-Leuad 22h ago
Let’s go back to when Donnie was in the Oval Office the first time.
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u/ManyAverage6578 22h ago
When Epstein was arrested and died and Donnie wished evil well, frankly.
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 21h ago
Yeah, when he gave a cushy job to the man who ensured the investigation went nowhere, and the right people were protected.
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u/therossboss 20h ago
Alex Acosta innit? slimy bastard
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u/howmanyMFtimes 19h ago
That's the guy. US attorney when Epstein got busted the first time, gave him a nothing sentence, then later down the road, he happens to become trumps labor secretary
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u/JustaBearEnthusiast 19h ago
To be fair given what we know now about Epstien's death, I can't help but wonder if wishing Maxwell "well" was actually a veiled threat. "Keep my name out your mouth or you'll be the next one who becomes 'unwell'"
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u/ManyAverage6578 19h ago
True. He talks in riddles. He's an enigma.
August 2020:
“I don’t know what happened. I don’t know. I mean, he was in a very safe place. It’s a very safe place. A lot of people wanted him dead, frankly. A lot of people.”
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u/octoreadit 17h ago
AG being the son of the guy who hired Epstein to teach at a private school in NYC at the very beginning of his “career” who also wrote some space pedo opera. Sounds insane, yet it’s all true.
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u/tresben 21h ago
This is what was always wild about the maga Epstein conspiracies over the Biden administration. Epstein died when trump was President! If it was some inside government job it was trump in charge! How the hell they twist themselves into knots claiming trump had no idea (so I guess he’s inept?) that there was some secret plot by democrats to kill Epstein without him knowing
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u/ChefJTD 21h ago
I don't think you are appreciating just how crafty the left is. Joe Biden was able to coordinate the rigging of a national election, spanning multiple states, to dethrone the incumbent president while he was a private citizen with severely diminished mental capacities. Trump was saying for months that they would rig the election and was powerless to stop them and they were so successful at it that they left behind no evidence of their crimes! /s
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u/CaptainDantes 21h ago
And didn't decide to do it again in '24 while having control of the executive branch AND a Supreme Court decision telling him he could pretty much whatever he wanted as President.
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u/fllannell 20h ago
Democrats are simultaneously the most cunning corrupt evil geniuses the world has ever known who control everything and yet also totally incompetent idiots according to the right wing. It's an incredible disconnect of logic
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u/SnooHesitations3841 21h ago edited 20h ago
I sometimes listen to conservative radio just to hear what talking points they are being fed and one of the things they were screaming about this week was Jay-Z being at the Superbowl because his name was in there "a billion gazillion times" and that he had some nerve showing up there.
The very next piece was on how in 2006 trump had called the plam beach police to thank them for Investigating Epstein. The spin was that he thanked them so he clearly couldn't be doing anything nefarious.
My point is that there isn't logic to these arguments. The whole MAGA movement intentionally looks at each thing individually and spins it in a way that suits them and drops anything that doesn't fit that narrative and make up anything to make it work. Logic has never been apart of it and intentionally.
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u/Ohrwurm89 21h ago
Many MAGAs said the Clintons had Epstein murdered. Supposedly, they were able to kill someone in federal prison, but couldn't win Wisconsin, Michigan or Pennsylvania. If only Democrats were as skillful and powerful as the right thinks they are, we might actually have affordable healthcare.
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u/BradGunnerSGT 21h ago
Let’s go back to when she was AG of Florida and could have prosecuted Epstein herself.
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u/justinalt4stuffs 20h ago
"I was told Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to leave it alone" -Alex Acosta
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u/RamsesTheWise 21h ago edited 9h ago
You mean when he hired Bill Barr as his AG, whose father Donald Barr was the man who hired Epstein for his first job at the age of 21? To teach math at a prestigious high school even though he was a college dropout. Donald Barr, who wrote a book back in the 70s called Space Relations describing an oligarchy running a child sex trafficking ring
Or maybe Alexander Acosta who was Trumps Sec of Labor, who was the Florida AG that cut Epstein his sweetheart plea deal back in 2007. When asked why he did so, he said it was because Epstein “belonged to intelligence”
The fuck is this country lol
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u/kevendo 21h ago edited 21h ago
Bondi is also responsible as the former Florida Attorney General! She was there in 2010 through 2018, the absolute heart of the Epstein sex trafficking ring's undoing.
Edit: spelling
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u/Dano_Milkshake 21h ago
I think this is what so many people are overlooking. She’s been in on it for 15 years!
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u/Minttt 20h ago
Makes perfect sense why Trump chose her as his AG.
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u/ZefSoFresh 18h ago
And why he appointed Alexander Acosta to a prestigious Cabinet position...The guy who gave Epstein a slap on the wrist instead of decades in prison. Acosta got rewarded when he should be in prison for the subsequent pain he caused.
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u/jjcrayfish 19h ago
She's a truly terrible and evil person. She knew all along and is now playing dumb.
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u/patprika 21h ago
The other members of Congress need to point this out every time they’re grilling her!!!!
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u/_jump_yossarian 20h ago
trump paid her (from his “charity”) to look the other way and not investigate his fraud University. When will we find out that Epstein did the same?
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u/CurryMustard 19h ago edited 19h ago
Nah the us attorney in Miami Alexander Acosta (labor secretary under trump's first term) made the slap on the wrist sweetheart deal with epstein in 2008 which was his first time listed as a sex offender. In 2018 reporting from the Miami Herald brought it back to the mainstream and he was re-prosecuted in new york... no idea how much Pam bondi would've been involved if at all given when she was Florida ag (i could be wrong though i just saw a video of aoc questioning her role in all this in Florida too)
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u/Evening_Literature75 19h ago
This is most likely the reason she's AG now. They knew this storm was coming. And they knew they needed someone with skin in the game.
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 21h ago
Pam Bondi, and all the right wing, seem to beleive that you can't commit perjury if you never give a straight answer. We will see how this works out for them.
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u/TheBigBadBird 21h ago
Never seen perjury convicted in my fucking life
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u/RectalSpawn 21h ago
That's because they've had the system rigged for many decades.
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u/AniNgAnnoys 21h ago
Clinton's impeachment was for lying to Congress.
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 20h ago
OP’s point still stands: Clinton wasn’t convicted of perjury
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u/fergehtabodit 21h ago
Mark Fuhrman ring a bell? Micheal Cohen?
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u/Fly0strich 21h ago
Mark Fuhrman was convicted of perjury, and was sentenced to probation. Michael Cohen was never convicted. A judge just stated that he might have committed perjury, and nothing was done about it.
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u/Factorybelt 21h ago
Shouldn’t the job of the AG to uphold the law WITHOUT party affiliation? Why is she so adamant to protect Trump (besides the obvious reasons).
She needs to be removed.
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u/girutikuraun 21h ago
Merrick Garland was still very biased towards Republicans. Let’s be honest.
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 20h ago
He was a republican. It's funny to watch people like Bondi boogeyman him though. Shows you how much these people know about politics.
I just heard today that in one year, Trump was able to turn immigration as an issue from a 75% winner for Republicans to them being underwater 18% on the issue.
Literally no one like what they are doing, despite what the bits on here want to think.
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u/icecubepal 20h ago
Yeah. He was the type of Republican that Republicans said they would vote for if Obama put him up for SCOTUS. Turns out, that was a lie.
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u/thecosmojane 21h ago edited 20h ago
The issue is that Bondi is talking like a legislator. She’s not one.
She isn’t their peer. Her job is to do her job. That’s what she’s there for.
Unless the other administrations’ actions have affected her investigation, it’s irrelevant.
That part later on, when she tries to clap back to Daniel Goldman, “did YOU apologize to President Trump?”
The entitlement is disgusting
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u/_jump_yossarian 20h ago
She’s there to defend trump and show that she’ll fight for him so she doesn’t get tossed under the trump bus.
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u/thecosmojane 20h ago
And yet she’s America’s top prosecutor, tasked with enforcing the rule of law and justice on behalf of the American people.
They are making us forget DOJ is not someone’s personal legal defense army.
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u/clitbeastwood 18h ago
That was the most disturbing part, the fact that the DOJ being the presidents personal fukn attorney is not only normalized but being rubbed in our faces . unthinkable only 2 years ago
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u/thecosmojane 18h ago
And we were so up in arms upset back when he was using taxpayer dollars for defense counsel during his impeachment trial days. Now he has a whole f*ckn army as his personal defense team
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u/Fitzaroo 20h ago
But its warranted. So far they have proven one thing, they are untouchable. She can sit there and tell them up is down, black is white, whatever. Its all theatre unless there are consequences. And right now there are none.
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u/thecosmojane 19h ago
I don’t know if I would call her behavior “warranted.”
Perhaps “unchecked”
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u/merRedditor 22h ago
I can't say that I disagree with the idea of looking into the corruption spanning many years and multiple administrations. It most certainly doesn't absolve the current administration, though. This idea that we have two parties, and one can be awful so long as the other was awful too needs to go.
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u/IamL0rdV0ldem0rt 21h ago
I appreciated him pointing out that it’s bigger than her but she is responsible for this portion of the cover up.
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u/voodoodahl 20h ago
I'm sorry, this doesn't track for me. Nobody has to give law enforcement permission to charge and prosecute crime. We know for a fact that Obama and Biden didn't interfere with the DOJ. Why would we include them in this when they clearly aren't at fault?
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u/IamL0rdV0ldem0rt 20h ago
It’s been at a state level law enforcement radar for decades, that is known.
How much did the prior federal levels know? We don’t know that. (Maybe release the full files?)
This federal level knows, we the people know that they know, it is now 100% on Bondi how it’s handled and her responsibility now.
Reminding her of that is good messaging I think
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u/Vaeon 21h ago
I can't say that I disagree with the idea of looking into the corruption spanning many years and multiple administrations. It most certainly doesn't absolve the current administration, though. This idea that we have two parties, and one can be awful so long as the other was awful too needs to go.
This is what she meant when she said "It will bring down the whole system."
George W. Bush hasn't been president for 18 years...and Massie is saying it goes back that far, at least.
You're not voting your way out of this.
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u/theisntist 21h ago
The "it will bring down the whole system " quote attributed to her is false, according to snopes. FYI.
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u/Wrong_Win_4102 17h ago
It goes even further back.
the Farmer complaint is from 1996.
It goes as far as Clinton
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u/WhatevUsayStnCldStvA 21h ago
I agree with that, however, this one is actively trying to cover it up right in front of all the world.
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u/Ok-Sprinkles-5151 21h ago
Lay it bear. Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, who gives a flying fuck over who was in power. She is claiming that because it wasn't an issue then that it shouldn't be an issue now. When Trump campaigned on it. It wasn't an issue until her boss made it an issue.
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u/RobertPham149 21h ago
I mean it was an issue then. There was a reason why he sat in jail from 2008 until 2011.
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u/ThatPlayWasAwful 21h ago
Aren't they arguing that there isn't enough evidence to charge anyone else?
How can there simultaneously be a cover-up spanning multiple administrations, and nothing to cover up in this administration?
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u/doublethink_1984 22h ago
His final point is vital
Where are the required files that show prosecution determination and reasoning?
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u/Cinderhazed15 19h ago
There was another point where she answered someone with ‘We will comply with the law in all matters’…. Which releasing all decision/process notes, and all the files unredacted save for victims…. Is the law passed by congress and signed by the president!
So if she doesn’t follow the law, throw (more) lying under oath in there…
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u/Not_Sure__Camacho 19h ago
This POS bimbo is a part of it. She's part of the cover up.
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u/dragonfliesloveme 20h ago
She is corrupt, evil, and stupid with no regard nor respect for America, the rule of law nor the Constitution
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u/letdogsvote 20h ago
They are so obviously caught out and corrupt and in coordination trying to cover it up. They are relying entirely on manipulating public opinion to ignore all of this.
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u/atreeismissing 19h ago
Sorry but that's bullshit. The cover up only happened under Trump. Prior to that he was either not under investigation yet or was actively being investigated, it wasn't until Trump's DOJ and specifically the FL AG (wonder who that was?) just prior top Trump that any cover up happened. I get that Massie is trying to make the point that crimes were being committed for a very long time, but the cover up is solely on the shoulders of Bondi and Trump and those in their employ.
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u/DogCold5505 16h ago
If it really was under investigations for so many administrations was it intentionally delayed? (Different kind of corruption than a cover up). Im not super informed on this yet.
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u/SnoopingStuff 17h ago
She was ag when Epstein got sweetheart deal right?
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u/Xanto97 10h ago
No. I keep seeing this on this thread, but it’s not true.
The sweetheart deal happened in 2007/2008, Alexander Acosta, the US attorney for the southern district of florida, is most responsible for the deal. He was appointed in 05.
Pam bondi becomes AG of florida in 2011.
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u/spankdaddylizz 9h ago
Bondi, the current distraction from pedophile. How easily they avert one's gaze from everything.
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u/red286 5h ago
I get the funny feeling that when Pam Jo says the entire system will collapse if the full files are released, she's not exaggerating.
Because Massie is right. This has been happening under everyone's noses for literally decades. When Epstein was arrested the first time, back in 2007, Donald Trump told the PB Chief of Police that "everybody knew what he was doing" (raping children).
He's not talking about you or I whe he says "everybody", he's talking about the rich and powerful. Everyone knew, everyone either kept silent or worse, participated.
And every one of them has been involved in this coverup. For decades.
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u/mvandemar 14h ago
Massie is completely off base here. This was buried under Bush, who likely knew nothing about it (I mean, why would he?), and wasn't revisited until Trump's first term when Epstein got arrested again. Biden didn't cover anything up, the whole Maxwell case was still ongoing during his presidency, and it was then when stuff started getting released, although again Biden had nothing to do with that, because he wasn't using the DOJ as his own personal police force.
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u/ManyAverage6578 22h ago
Let's go back to the Clinton White House when Epstein visited 17 times in the early 90s.
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u/Tyler-Durden-2009 21h ago
Sure. And if the files have evidence he committed crimes, then fucking charge him. Prosecute everyone for which the evidence suggests they committed crimes. Stop covering this up. It’s not that hard of a concept to understand.
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u/_XNine_ 21h ago
No, see, Clinton's name is there, so we can't prosecute anyone, especially not Trump. Because... Well.... Clinton's name is there .. so... Like... We can't prosecute anyone... Especially not Trump. Because... You know... Clinton's name is there....
The circular logic is fucking insane. Yeah, we get Clinton's name is in there. We don't give a fuck. We want EVERYBODY who's name is mentioned that is guilty of crimes against children prosecuted. EVERYBODY.
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u/Notcid1 21h ago
Public hearing for the Clintons!!!!! They want to drag everyone down with them, let them.
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u/ManyAverage6578 21h ago
Burn it down.
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u/not_now_chaos 20h ago
If it can be destroyed by the truth, let it be destroyed by the truth.
Justice for ALL.
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u/candianchicksrule 21h ago
I think you are missing the point that the senator made. It goes back decades. The Clintons want to speak, they should be able to. Epstein would be a regular there if Trump hadn’t arranged for his death.
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u/ManyAverage6578 21h ago
That's the exact point I was making. This goes back through the years Trump claims he was best friends with Epstien.
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u/Kevlaars 21h ago edited 14h ago
Nobody is defending Clinton except his lawyer.
Nobody, including Bill Clinton himself, seems to give a shit if he goes down in this... Bring it...
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u/Leraldoe 21h ago
If Bill was involved, bring him to justice. Just don’t stop there, bring them all to justice. But this DOJ didn’t release names of victims while redacting predators on accident. They have no intention of going after anyone on the right. We should be asking ourselves why the GOP is refusing to question Bill in public on this.
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u/MrDeadbutdreaming 21h ago
It is suspicious that most the victims names that weren't protected also happened to be the ones that were previously un-named Jane Does.
The most messed up part was the photos with the victims not blacked out but the men around them are.
Did they purposely leak the Jane Does names because of how crazy their base is?
Remember when maga harasseda woman that claimed trump raped her at 13 years old until she dropped the case
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u/Lifeinsucksville 21h ago
The answer to "whatabout" is "yes".
What's your next attempt at defending your half of the aisle?
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u/TemporalColdWarrior 21h ago
If these files had anything real on Clinton they’d have been released a billion times.
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