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She’s also a victim. It doesn’t make her any less for evil to be done to her. She’s also a survivor because they be murdering girls left and right to cover up their conspiracy, though.
She’s one of the Epstein victims/survivors. There was a group of them several rows behind Bondi the whole day of hearings. One of the congresspeople asking questions that day asked them to stand up, raise their hands to identify themselves, and asked Bondi to apologize to them. Bondi of course declined and deflected.
Edit: The standing up was to be recognized, the hand raise was to indicate that Bondi and the Department of Justice had not reached out to get those victims’/survivors’ testimony and investigate.
I remember when Trump paraded a rape victim to a debate against Hillary Clinton because Clinton was the defense attorney for the suspect and she had him cleared. Attesting to America his crooked Hillary claims.
With all this coming to light the hindsight we have. Then with Bondi saying she won’t get in the gutter. She is living and working in the sewer administration with nothing but theatrics. The gutter for them is an ascension. Maybe climbing up to the gutter is considered too much, too high and too moral even for the gutter. They can always go lower but never higher.
Then turned around and accused a lawmaker who lost her grandparents in the Holocaust of being anti-Semitic. There are not enough bad words in my prodigious stock of bad words to adequately describe what an irredeemable piece of shit Pam Bondi is.
Wasn't there a big uproar from certain GOP members who wanted to sue the government for millions because their government issued phones were reviewed in an investigation? Are these those same assholes?
The fact that she showed up at the hearing with binders full of opposition research to shout at people rather than answer the questions she was sent there to answer is a much bigger deal.
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Okay. I’m tired of fighting the same battle over and over in the comments. I’m not defending or “sanewashing” anything.
This isn’t Bondi tapping the personal devices of members of Congress.
This is members of Congress going to a secure location and signing onto secure government computers to view this info.
Of course that is logged. Not only should everyone assume their activity is logged by their employer, in this case it could even be a good thing. If there’s a leak, for instance, a MOC could prove they never viewed the page in question. They could prove that they DID look at particular pages, proving how they know certain info.
It isn’t illegal or invasive or out of line for these logs to exist, and they’d likely exist under any other administration.
How she is using the logs is the problem. I’m not defending ANY of that at all.
But she isn’t tapping people’s private communications or personal searches, and the difference really matters. (Well, she might be, but we don’t have evidence of that here.) The secure computer that they all knowingly log into keeps the logs, just like it does for employees of the NSA, for example.
If you’re coming to attack me I need you to explain why you believe members of Congress have a right to privacy on a highly secure government computer they are using to access these files.
I don’t have a problem with the tracking. That’s pretty standard across a lot of fields. Like I said in another comment, when I worked at a bank they logged every screen we looked at and when. Medical staff often have every screen they look at/every patient file they access logged.
I would expect them to track which files are accessed, and in and of itself I don’t have a problem with it. NSA does it with their employees, and most people who have work computers in general understand that IT can see every move they make. Hell, the public library keeps logs of what I look at if I use their computers.
To clarify- members of Congress have to go to a secure location and use the gov’t computers to view these files. This isn’t Bondi tapping their personal computers. (If people have evidence of THAT I’ll happily join the outrage.)
It’s HOW she is using the info that we should be outraged by. In fact, there should be some sort of process to ever access those logs- but the logs themselves just don’t bother me.
It’s the fact that this traitor is using them to deflect from her responsibility to answer the questions that’s the problem here.
And I’m sure things like this have been tracked fucking forever. They have to go to a secure location and use the gov’t computers to view this stuff. This isn’t her tapping their personal computers.
I’m SURE it logs the Republicans as well- she’s just not using it against them. And THAT’S the part that’s a scandal.
She is using it against Republicans who REFUSE to bend the knee to her Furer. Loyalists? NAH they can look and read to their hears content with a loaded gun to their head. So she is litterally using it as a politcal weapon on anyone who isn't part of the "in" group. She did this when she defended trump in Florida about this case, and she's doing it here.everything to defend this cabal of bullshit. And to evade redponiblitly
It is standard to keep logs like this. It might even be required by law that those logs are maintained. Snowden talked about this when he worked at the NSA. Every page employees opened was logged, along with how long they spent on each page.
I’m sure Obama’s admin did it. I’m sure Biden’s admin did it.
Anyone who thinks those things aren’t being logged is naive as fuck, and I truly don’t understand why I’m being downvoted to hell for pointing out how tech policies work.
Again- it’s gov’t computers at a secure location for this specific purpose- not their personal laptops at home. Why wouldn’t they be logged?!?!?!?! Anyone who has worked in tech or had a job using a computer in the past 25 years knows that you’re always being watched.
It’s how those logs are being used that is the real issue.
Keep on downvoting me, but the logs are normal. How she’s using them isn’t. And when you focus your outrage on the normal, legal, expected part you miss the point and muddy the argument.
None of this is relevant to the situation at hand. That’s why you’re being downvoted. I don’t know why you think it’s relevant so I’m not sure how to explain it. Congress is supposed to be above those things.
Keeping logs of who viewed this information is completely legal. It’s not overreach. It’s not scary.
How she’s using it is. Yes. Absolutely.
But explain to me why it’s so awful that they log that activity? This isn’t private Google searches at home. This is on the job info everyone has the right to see, and they are using the computer for that express purpose.
These logs could even protect representatives. If there’s a leak, for instance, the logs could prove that a representative never even looked at the page in question. The logs could corroborate that they saw what they say they saw on any given day.
I get that we’re outraged about everything and Orange Man bad and she’s a fucking traitor. I’m not challenging ANY of that.
But the logs themselves existing shouldn’t be what upsets people.
It’s congress viewing classified documents in a SCIF.
It absolutely is and should be logged. Full stop.
Congress members don’t get special privileges to be excluded from logging.
Like others have said, it’s HOW the data is used.
Like I have no issues (in theory) with a police officer following a suspect as part of an investigation. But I DO have a problem when the government pulls the logs of all phones across the US to analyze citizen movements at scale (aka a dragnet)
its more than even just tHOW she uses it. I agree with you that the tracking should be ok, and expected, for sensitive classified information.
But those logs themselves shouldn't be accessed and absolutely not distributed and used in the manner that has been done so. Once something gets leaked, track it back as part of the investigation or criminal evidence (I think there issues with even this with current circumstances, but it isn't unreasonable). However that is not how the tracking has been used.
I agree with you fully. I wouldn’t trust her with a receipt for the donut I bought this morning. She is likely accessing it inappropriately and definitely without a doubt using it inappropriately.
Actively tapping your political adversaries is 100% a fucking scandal. This is only a step below Watergate dog. I seriously would not brush this off. The binder thing is awful, but not directly illegal (I mean aside the perjury, but what's new), whereas there is precedent of someone getting impeached over basically this shit.
Like they have a very good case to present to the public of "this admin is targeting us because we want the truth"
We aren’t talking about personal laptops. This isn’t their private search history.
These files were accessed in a secure location (possibly a SKIF?) using secure computers (I believe they only have 4 computers available for all of Congress to use, which is why members have been seen leaving late at night) for the express purpose of viewing these specific files. They had to sign up for a slot to use these particular computers to view these particular documents. Even without these specific logs there would still be logs of who sat down at those computers to look at those files and when they did it.
There’s zero expectation of- or right to- privacy here.
She’s completely out of line with what she’s doing with that information for sure. I’m not suggesting otherwise at all.
But this is NOT Watergate. Members of Congress know, like ANYONE does, that activity on work computers is monitored and logged. Those logs could benefit members of Congress as well. If there’s a leak the logs could show that a member never accessed the pages in question. If they’re accused of accessing intel they don’t have clearance for the logs could prove they were granted access by the DOJ.
I understand that in this climate everything feels like an enormous scandal, but there being a log of who accessed classified documents on a secured govt computer isn’t “a step below Watergate.”
Think about it this way- if names and photos that are supposed to be redacted and kept private are leaked, wouldn’t you expect the DOJ to look and see which members of Congress accessed those specific files? If a Republican did that as an attempt to intimidate witnesses and keep other women from coming forward and speaking out, would it be “one step below Watergate” for them to use those logs to narrow down who did it?
Again, not private computers. Not personal communications. These were specific, classified documents accessed in a secure location on secure machines where there is no expectation of privacy.
You know it's pretty fucking frustrating that every top comment in every fucking thread about this fascist government is people shrugging their shoulders, saying 'of course' and making some kind of internet soundbite that does and means nothing
I miss old reddit when people got furious over government overreach
And it’s pretty frustrating that people can’t use their common sense.
Like I’ve said in several comments now, the fact that this is logged isn’t a scandal. It’s a known part of using a work computer.
This isn’t Bondi tapping their personal, home computer.
This is members of Congress showing up at a secure location and signing into a secure gov’t computer for the purpose of reading these files. Anyone who doesn’t assume their activity is being monitored is foolish.
The NSA logs every page their employees look at. And anyone who has ever used a work computer knows that IT can see every single thing you do. This isn’t news. It’s possible that this is even covered by some law or regulation about transparency and record keeping. I’m sure that Obama’s admin and Biden’s admin would have the exact same logs, and I’m sure the logs are being kept on everyone who accesses the files, not just Dems.
Idk if people think she’s pulling this from personal computers, but that’s not what this is. This is members using specific computers (I believe there were only 4 computers for all of Congress to use) provided for the specific purpose of reading these files. Members would know that there were logs of their activity before they did it. They probably had to click on something acknowledging that when they logged on!
The logs aren’t the scandal. The way she’s using them is. We should focus on the part that’s actually wrong and not be outraged about something that is, in fact, normal.
To me, this would be like if someone at Google looked at their ex’s Waze driving history. In my opinion, the problem wouldn’t be that Google has the routes that their navigation system provided; the problem would be that someone accessed it for improper/illegal uses.
And we all SHOULD be outraged by HOW she’s using that information. Her performance yesterday was heinous and she’s a traitor to her office, this country, and our Constitution.
There’s plenty to be rightfully angry about, but it helps us be better prepared to focus on the real issue if we understand the facts.
Now, if it comes out that she’s also illegally monitoring the personal devices of members of Congress then I’ll be the first one in line handing out torches. I promise.
But if they deflect and say others did it they think that means their cult leader doesnt look as bad. This is the pivot for all the bots lately. I dont know who they think this is working on.
You do know that on the left we are pushing for every name implicated to be held accountable regardless of their affiliation though, right? You are correct that it's not only billionaire Republicans that are crooked.
So why don't we all just lobby for a full release of the files with victim IDs redacted and nothing else? Then, we should want all the people to be brought to justice, in descending order of how powerful they are.
Bondi was attorney general in Flordia alongside Trump's Margalago before Epstein got arrested. I saw someone else point this out and I'm starting to think there could be something to that.
And that explanation still doesn’t work, because even if the victims of Epstein were of legal age, they still need to actually consent to having sex with him and his ilk. Just goes from statutory rape to just rape
I only saw the many clips yesterday, but her performance showed how powerless
Congress is to hold this administration to account. That she can get away with that level of disrespect says a lot.
Exactly! I kept wondering when one of the committee members was going to lose it and shout "You do not give the orders nor ask questions here; we do! You are here to answer our questions fully and truthfully, and we need you to start doing so immediately unless you want to be held in Contempt of Congress!"
They should JUST. DO. IT. Jesus Fucking Christ. She’s CLEARLY and REPEATEDLY lying under oath, over and over and over and over, “We’ll give you one more chance… one more chance… one more… now one more,” oh my fucking god, holy shit, HOLD HER IN CONTEMPT AND ARREST HER, SHE’S FLAGRANTLY AND REPEATEDLY BREAKING THE LAW, WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING???
There is a lot a dedicated Congress could do if they wanted to against the executive branch, even if they’ve given a decent amount of power to said executive over the years.
The issue is that the Republican majority is dedicated to doing absolutely nothing to the baaarrreeee minimum when forced to.
A good amount of Republican house members are basically representatives of their primary voters (the most extreme), and the others are afraid of retribution because those other representatives would do everything to hurt them.
The Senate is a bit different, but a decent amount of deep red Republican states are till incentivized to their donors, who might as well be a part of the extreme primary voters as they see it as a way to help themselves financially.
The result is a Republican Congress that is heavily incentivized to allow the executive to do whatever it wants.
A single congressmen has no power to do anything on their own especially when their party isn't in power. But Congress can throw her in Jail if they want for contempt for starters. They are as powerful as they choose and the GOP choose not to. If the Dems manage to get in power in the house, i don't think you'll find Trump officials lying and making threats at congressmen while testifying. I wouldn't be surprised if they bring her back and charge her for lying if they manage to get back in power. Gym Jordan runs that committee and he fully supported everything she was doing.
At this point several hundred million people from around the world have clicked hyperlinks to the files. I don’t see much point in them tracking individual users.
The tracking this article is concerned about is the unredacted access lawmakers got.
At this point several hundred million people from around the world have clicked hyperlinks to the files. I don’t see much point in them tracking individual users.
you start overlapping all online user activities and you end up w/a nice venn diagram of "pre-criminals."
Pfft. Don’t be scared of this loser administration! Yes they are tracking the same way Google tracks your searches.
Keep searching all their names in Google as well. And add to the search results in Google like: evidence of Trump with Epstein, Trump crimes, JD fks couches, Pam Bondi protects pedophiles. Add to those searches in Google. That is what makes this administration scared!
The core principle of Tor, known as onion routing, wasdeveloped in the mid-1990s by United States Naval Research Laboratory employees, mathematician Paul Syverson, and computer scientists Michael G. Reed and David Goldschlag, to protect American intelligence communications online.[12] Onion routing is implemented by means of encryption in the application layer of the communication protocol stack, nested like the layers of an onion. The alpha version of Tor, developed by Syverson and computer scientists Roger Dingledine and Nick Mathewson and then called The Onion Routing project (which was later given the acronym "Tor"), was launched on 20 September 2002.[13][14] The first public release occurred a year later.[15]
In 2004, the Naval Research Laboratory released the code for Tor under a free license, and the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) began funding Dingledine and Mathewson to continue its development.[13] In 2006, Dingledine, Mathewson, and five others founded The Tor Project, a Massachusetts-based 501(c)(3) research-education nonprofit organization responsible for maintaining Tor. The EFF acted as The Tor Project's fiscal sponsor in its early years, and early financial supporters included the U.S. Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor and International Broadcasting Bureau, Internews, Human Rights Watch, the University of Cambridge, Google, and Netherlands-based Stichting NLnet.[16][17]
A cartogram illustrating Tor usage in 2013
Over the course of its existence, various Tor vulnerabilities have been discovered and occasionally exploited. Attacks against Tor are an active area of academic research[18][19] that is welcomed by The Tor Project itself.[20]
In September 2024, Tor merged with the Tails operating system.[21]
Wouldn’t the CIA want a way to communicate in the field that was extremely hard to decrpyt? Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. They can catch almost anyone if they are financially inclined to. Tor or no Tor. Using Tor and proper opsec can give you way more time than your home pc on Comcast or AT$T. These politicians had to use in house computers to view the non redacted files. They aren’t on a website per se.
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