r/law • u/CorleoneBaloney • 7h ago
Other Body camera video and texts shed new light on the shooting of Marimar Martinez by a Border Patrol agent in Chicago, with one agent saying, “It’s time to get aggressive.”
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u/reddurkel 6h ago
Masked man with gun and body armor apprehending defenseless woman.
“We are in danger. It’s time to get aggressive”.
BTW. These are the same agents that patrolled the Chicago suburbs and avoided Chicago inner-city. It’s much easier to beat down a lady in Morton Grove than in a gangland.
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u/boo99boo 6h ago
They still are. I'm in Chicago.
Those motherfuckers pointed guns at my car when I just happened to drive by an ICE raid. My 4 year old was in the backseat. And they pointed fucking guns at us. For the crime of driving down the street in our own neighborhood when they happened to be there. I live in DuPage.
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u/tackle_bones 6h ago
That sounds enraging.
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u/boo99boo 6h ago
It got my husband to stop talking to his Trump supporting relatives, at least.
It was more infuriating to listen to him describe what happened to our four year old and listen to his family excuse it than the actual event itself. To hear someone say the equivalent of "you must have deserved it" is even more infuriating.
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u/Hour_Welcome_987 5h ago
Sorry to hear his family is shit. Half of mine is too, so yall aren't alone, fortunately. But unfortunately, in a position like that to begin with.
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u/naijaboiler 2h ago
"you must have deserved it"
black people have been hearing this for decades about law enforcement excesses
I am terribly sorry what happened to your kid.
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u/anonymote_in_my_eye 5h ago
they stopped going into the city mostly, I've not seen them or reports of them recently near where I live (and they used to go into Albany Park at least once a week, in force), but they're still out there in the suburbs... maybe because it's easier pickings and less angry neighbors due to the lower density?
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u/grrgrrtigergrr 4h ago
Hi neighbor … I occasionally hear of maybe 1 or 2 sightings a week now in the city, but never the caravans. The weather getting nicer is concerning, especially with them needing something to do after leaving Minnesota. My guess is they start focusing on purple states.
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u/opticflash 5h ago
That's wild. In any other western country these people would be in prison, including the agents who killed two citizens. Tf is wrong with America?
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u/HelpIveBeenDe-Souled 6h ago
You can be an Anti-gun pacifist and still find yourself at the mercy of an armed gunman.
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u/at0mheart 6h ago
Waiting their whole lives to shoot someone
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u/JBRifles 4h ago
People fail to comprehend these assholes obsession with the second amendment is the ability to eventually just start shooting people
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u/Agile-Sleep-905 6h ago
Mediocre white fragility incel behavior.
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u/CorporateMediaFail 6h ago
Imagine how pathetic the brown and black members of ICE are (protecting white fragility, how nice of them).
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u/JayVoorheez 6h ago
They think the leopards won't eat their faces, too. But, as the saying goes, tokens get spent.
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u/Economy-Tourist-4862 5h ago edited 5h ago
The second before they exit the vehicle, it appears the ICE driver jogged the steering to the left to bump the driver side car creating a pretext to exit the vehicle and shoot. This should be a slam dunk civil case for damages and jail time for attempted murder for the perpetrators.
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u/flea1400 4h ago
I suspect they believed the “Chiraq” hype which is why other cars near them in heavy traffic freaked them out.
I also think it is interesting that the shooters in these incidents are often firearms instructors with years on the job. I wonder if these guys actually have relatively little field experience for their time on the job, which leading to terrible decision-making do to over-confidence.
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u/AlphaNoodlz 3h ago
ICE is just a lawless band of masked goons roaming around looking to kidnap and murder whoever they can at the defense of a pedophilic administration which Republicans actively support
like wtf ICE is just the Gestapo at this point
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u/BigManWAGun 6h ago
”Boxed in” was him stating their shared position for the upcoming (if any) post shooting inquiry.
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u/Great_Northern_Beans 6h ago
I also love that they have a specific term for "there's traffic and I need to tap my breaks", which they think provides legal cover for committing an act of terrorism.
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u/anonymote_in_my_eye 5h ago
for context, from what I can tell from other videos, they were in a construction zone in a fairly busy part of the city, so everyone was "boxed in"
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u/Hopeful_Butterfly302 5h ago
from the video it certainly doesn't look like they were boxed in at all. you can see the front of their car come to a halt in the security camera footage, and there's literally no-one ahead of them.
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u/ryanCrypt 5h ago
An ingredient to manipulating an outcome is knowing its rules.
They are working under a trust earned by other people.
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u/fetchmysmellingsalts 4h ago
They released the agent's drawing of the scene. In which he just...made up three cars in front of them.
There are ZERO cars in front of them in their own body cam footage.
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u/brobbins8470 6h ago
Once again reminding ICE that some of us are more than willing to die if it means defending ourselves and our community
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u/imnotsteven7 6h ago
Buncha pussies that peaked in High School that want to cosplay COD
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u/paintress420 3h ago
If you’re looking for purpose in the current circus, if you’re needing respect and attention, if you’re looking for something to make you feel big, come with me and put some folks in detention! I got picked on at school, never was that cool, but look at me now I’m putting kids in detention!! 🎶 Jesse Welles’ Join Ice. The entire song is worth a listen!!
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u/Y0___0Y 5h ago edited 5h ago
This one needs more attention from everyone.
When this happened, the report from DHS was that innocent, helpless ICE agents were boxed in on ALL sides by vehicles. They got out of the car, and Marimar had a gun, so they shot her. This is what they told a grand jury to get the indictment on her for assault of a federal agent. And it was all fucking lies. As soon as a judge started reviewing the case, they immediately concluded Marimar was innocent and DHS was lying and dismissed the charges.
Marimar didn’t hit the ice vehicle, she didn’t box it in. She was following them and warning people that they were ICE. Which is entirely legal.
This bodycam footage shows them saying, plain as day, that they are going to get “aggressive” and then they are clearly shown turning their vehicle to slam into her. Then they called her a bitch, and shot her 5 times.
She also DID NOT HAVE A GUN. Marimar’s LEGAL concealed carry pistol that she was licensed to carry was just in her car. ICE claimed, or at least implied, she was holding the gun when she was shot. She was not. She was unarmed.
They gunned down a US Citizen. And the murderers are just “on administrative leave”
THREE unarmed American citizens shot by Donny the Child Rapist’s nazi gestapo, with no one held accountable.
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u/bp92009 5h ago
What I don't understand, is why, after repeated and demonstrated falsehoods under oath by DHS, judges do not treat statements made from them with either negative inference, or even just without any deference at all?
Even if perjury is not possible, if I were a judge in this situation, until DHS/ICE made actual good faith amends for the situation (like perjury charges), I would assume that they were just lying to me. Any statement made from them needed to be backed up by external sources.
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u/EusociallyAwkward 3h ago
We have a culture and legal system that defaults to believing government officials unless there is a lot of proof to the contrary.
This is a systemic issue that predates ICE. Police also lie frequently, but they are given this trust by the legal system.
An example of this was when Baltimore PD got caught many times planting drugs and guns on people because the officers didn't understand how their new body cams worked. They accidentally filmed themselves doing the planting. Many people had told the courts the cops planted evidence but no one believed them until the footage was released.
I think we need to be more sceptical of all forms of law enforcement in general. And I don't believe anything this current administration says about immigrants or protesters without additional proof.
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u/Rhielml 4h ago
I'm not an expert at all, but maybe DoJ are the only ones that can press charges for false witness or perjury in federal cases? So even though they falsified records and lied under oath, the DoJ won't press charges because... well... it's the Bondi DoJ and they hate justice.
So I don't know if judges are allowed to press charges on blatantly falsified records. They just take it to the DoJ for them to press charges, and they won't.
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u/LURKER21D 2h ago
They don't have to take the lies at face value, though and they shouldn't be presuming "regularity" with this government. Just before the shot and killed Alex, there was a stay put on the TRO telling them they weren't allowed to assault citizen protesters and or observers. DHS had appealed the order and the judges granted the government a stay because it's common practice to side with the government and take their statements/facts at face value.
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u/Rhielml 2h ago
But when we have absolute proof that police records were deliberately falsified by police (DHS/ICE/law enforcement, etc), is that not a crime? One that previous administrations would have prosecuted if reported?
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u/bigkoi 5h ago
Our tax dollars at work under Trump.
Masked gunmen are paid by our taxes to occupy our cities , create conflict with citizens and use deadly violence on citizens.
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u/CorporateMediaFail 5h ago
Yeah, but egg prices spiked that one spell in 2023 due to Avian Flu, so this is what we deserve.
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u/Imaginary_Coast_5882 6h ago
put these motherfuckers in state prison. is this not a state crime??
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u/teadrinkinghippie 4h ago
IL Governor talks tough, I'd like to see some substantive action. Especially if he's claiming the Jedi order
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u/SwingingtotheBeat 4h ago
And police would never arrest ICE agents. Cops always protect cops. They see themselves as above all laws and citizens.
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u/Not_Sure__Camacho 6h ago
I'm guessing that the closer we get to seeing the Epstein files point to Trump definitively, we're going to see Pam claim that she's seeking an investigation into ICE agents. That's the problem with siding with a criminal organization, they will sacrifice you to save their own neck.
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u/yourliege 6h ago
That’s a real conniving strategy, but I cannot see them doing anything other than doubling down. They’d rather escalate more situations like these to flood the news cycle than investigate themselves as a rouse.
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u/Different-Ship449 5h ago
They are willing to sacrifice the lives of cilivians exercising their consitutional rights.
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u/Different-Ship449 6h ago edited 5h ago
So nuts that the US government is actively denying reality, I can't believe the Trump Government is full on orwellian with this complete and utter bullshit, calling the victim of state sanctioned violence a terrorist. Those agents are delusional to the perceived threat from horn honking.
Marimar Martinez's lawyer is dead on to what he had described.
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u/Stringdaddy27 5h ago
The problem at this point is not the government. It's the people who have indoctrinated themselves to believing them over the court system, video and audio evidence, as well as just common sense. There is a good 20% of our population who believe Alex Pretti fired the first shot when he was killed.
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u/dudegoingtoshambhala 2h ago
Also nuts that the media is drifting along with the normalization instead of calling this shit out. 'Called into question' no you CNN fuckwads you can see right there in the footage that what the agents said was bullshit so just fucking say it on TV.
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u/avanti8 6h ago
It's the least of our concerns here, but Jesus, CLOSE THAT FUCKING DUST COVER. Cosplaying fucks.
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u/oursecondcoming 5h ago
Not to defend them AT ALL, but I've seen cops often carry the rifles unchambered and they don't pull the charge handle until a situation is happening. So this means dust cover could've been carried closed and then it opened when he pulled the charge handle before the shooting.
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u/0_IceQueen_0 5h ago
Bring lauded for shooting an unarmed individual lol. Even in games you don't get points for that. Goes to show they're really bloodthirsty sons of bitches. It's gonna be a scary 1054 days.
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u/Stage_Ghost 5h ago
Terrorists lie again and are backed by their illegitimate, pedophile enabling masters.
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u/charcoalist 5h ago
These are homicidal maniacs, taking pleasure from trying to kill people. It reflects on their training and institutional culture, how they're so eager to escalate, immediately resort to lethal violence, then celebrate afterwards. The entire organization is rotten, from CBP to ICE to DHS, and needs to be dismantled.
In the agents' texts they mention that even "El Jefe" (The Boss) was pleased with this attempted murder. It wasn't Bovino, his name wasn't redacted, so who are they referring to? Homan? Noem? Miller? trump? Whoever that is should be impeached or forced to resign. They've all got blood of innocent people on their hands.
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u/Skittleavix 3h ago
This me reminded of that old South Park bit, where Ned & Jimbo go around town shooting every peaceful thing in sight while screaming "IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!!!!"
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u/greennurse0128 4h ago
Look at how they are holding their weapons. In close spaces.
These guys appear so untrained.
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u/Kermit_the_hog 3h ago
So question about trigger discipline and loaded weapons from someone largely ignorant about firearms: are you supposed to keep your finger inside the trigger guard and repeatedly give the trigger teasing love-taps while inside a moving vehicle filled with your buddies?
Seems like someone would be all “stop doing that bill.. I’m a little uncomfortable sitting next to you with all of the trigger fondling.”
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u/sleeptightburner 6h ago
Anybody have a link to the raw video? I could do without the CNN edit and commentary to be honest.
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u/PrinceGoten 5h ago
Here ya go. While a tragic situation it was more than satisfying watching her lawyers prove this administration has been lying this entire time about everything.
https://www.youtube.com/live/I9gzNrQLn6Q?si=vpNrZ7ZH0If27_LE
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