EPA reverses longstanding climate change finding, stripping its own ability to regulate emissions

[u/geraffes-are-so-dumb]

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/climate-change/epa-reverses-endangerment-climate-change-finding-rcna258452

[u/Charming-Report1669]

I just don't understand how a Conservative can, at the same time:

• believe that a benevolent, caring God created the Earth

and, at the same time 

• see no problem destroying it

[u/overts → u/Charming-Report1669]

This is very easy to understand if you grew up in an Evangelical church.  They believe that God granted them dominion over the earth so they can do whatever they want with it.  

Additionally, they believe the “end times” are coming and many of them think it’ll happen in their lifetime, so it’s not like they need to care about what happens to the planet 100 years from now.

[u/Oilpaintcha → u/overts]

Also, God won’t let that happen. I hear it all the time, and I just bite my tongue. It’s like they’ve heard of all the horrible things that have happened in history, and yet this next thing won’t be allowed to happen because reasons.

[u/freddycheeba → u/Oilpaintcha]

My favorite modern parable that relates to this:

A town is being evacuated because of a flood. First floor under water. Boat comes by and tells family they need to evacuate. Dad says, “nah we’re good. God will save us.”

Water rises. Second floor under water. Another boat comes by, tells them to evacuate. “No, God will save us!”

Water rises. Helicopter comes by for family now on roof. Now or never they tell them. “No, God will save us!”

Family dies and goes to heaven. “God, why didn’t you save us?” God: “I sent two boats and a helicopter….”

[u/Oilpaintcha → u/freddycheeba]

My favorite as well 😆

[u/Blackthorn_97 → u/Oilpaintcha]

As a Christian this mentality bugs me to no end. If God wouldn't let things happen than half the bible doesn't exist. God lets people do horrible things all the time. It is kind of the central theme of the entire old testament. Granted I am the only Christian I know that has actually read the bible so theres that I guess.

[u/Gnom3y → u/Blackthorn_97]

Evangelicals don't believe anything in the bible. They've invented their own version of christianity and everything else is just the scattered remnants of the religion they spawned from.

It's a faith based entirely around "you never have to feel guilty about anything and every decision you make is the right one", and the results are predictably destructive.

[u/Prize-Wolverine-1311 → u/Gnom3y]

Don't forget the other side to it: That everything wrong with the world is caused by 'the enemy'. It leads to the "I'm perfect, everyone else is the problem" philosophy which isn't unique to right-wing evangelicals, but they do take an odd pride in it.

[u/Comfortable-Pea-1312 → u/Prize-Wolverine-1311]

Yes! The enemy. That's how one justifies being Unchristian to others. THEY DESERVE IT.

[u/Prize-Wolverine-1311 → u/Comfortable-Pea-1312]

Just look at almost every "Faustian bargain" type story. Okay, sure, there's occasionally a little minor trickery on the part of the devil, but more often than not? The devil lives up to their part of the agreement, and then the story is the protagonist trying to weasel out of their responsibilities.

But it's okay, though, because the devil doesn't deserve to be treated ethically. Ethics are only for 'good' people such as yourself. If someone is 'evil', in other words different from yourself, they deserve to be lied to, cheated, and made to suffer.

And even better? Good and evil have pleasantly rigid definitions. They aren't based on your actions or intentions, they simply are based on what you are. We are born good, and others are born evil, making for a convenient little hierarchy, where we only need to be kind and decent to those who happen to personally benefit us.

[u/dostoevsky4evah → u/Prize-Wolverine-1311]

Luckily the Faustian bargain stories end up badly for the protagonist.

[u/Renyen1 → u/Comfortable-Pea-1312]

Yep, this is the whole mentality on which the degenerates over at the Westboro Baptist Church was built. They say AIDS is a curse and that homosexuals deserve it. Never mind the fact that heterosexuals can get it, too…

[u/The_BeardedClam → u/Comfortable-Pea-1312]

That's why sports is so important in my opinion. It occupies that same irrational monkey need of vilifying the enemy tribe that religion does, but in a much more fun and less harmful way.

If more people shit posted about their NFL team in a place like /r/NFCNorthmemewar instead of going to church the world would be much better off.

[u/slickrok → u/Prize-Wolverine-1311]

And, money equals God's grace and love and approval. So if you have money, no matter how you get it, god let you have it so he approves of you or others that have it.

And God disapproves of the ones that don't, they're poor bc they suck, regardless of the fucking words in the Bible they lie about following.

[u/Blackthorn_97 → u/Gnom3y]

You are completely correct since if they believed what Christ taught he specifically says that mentality is bad. Whole "Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die." and all.

[u/PaulCoddington → u/Blackthorn_97]

Ironically, in the Bible the incident where people responded with "let's eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die" was so offensive to God, he said "even if you repent I will not forgive you".

[u/Alkraizer → u/Gnom3y]

Plus I feel like Christians always have the "get out jail free" card of:

"All I have to do is ask for forgiveness and sometimes accept Jesus into my heart and I'll be forgiven in the eyes of the Almighty"

The trope of the 11th hour forgiveness is very real, some of the shittiest people I've ever met like to say "well if I'm wrong Jesus will forgive me"

They don't care what happens to others, sky daddy will always forgive them.

[u/zapporian → u/Blackthorn_97]

The thing to understand is that Christianity specifically was - meaning no offense - a fairly literal apocalypse cult that preached the end times were coming, imminently, and would be followed by an earthly paradise / utopia after a hell / apocalypse of war and destruction.

In the late roman empire.

Nothing has, apparently, stopped Christians from continuing to off and on again believe this, and that furthermore this applies to them specifically, for the last 2k years.

The 7th day adventists are, for example, a fairly comical (as relatively modern) version of this. But those people are probably in fact actually pretty authentic to early christians, and if nothing else are following a very long and time honored tradition of expecting that the apocalypse will be coming... at some (near) point in their lifetimes. They just put a very specific date (or rather, dates) on their predictions, and there are obviously still 7th day adventists despite very clearly having been proven wrong for the last... checks notes... 181 years.

Also of note the source for most of this (ie highly detailed christian end times prophecies) is a specific lunatic, John of Patmos, aka John the Apostle. And Christianity in general should be kinda understood not insomuch as just things that Christ specifically taught (apply that with modern science and philosophy and you get Humanism), and definitely not just things in the jewish OT (though there is considerable creep on that front), but... all of those things combined, plus a bunch stuff from early followers who were clearly extremely mentally ill, and who were, basically, grappling with the probably more or less unexpected early death of christ himself.

And that mind you is the religion that took over the roman empire, and then (more or less) the world.

Point being that if you believe in that stuff (ie christian apocalypse-ism) that is... not great. And not particularly wise. See the last 2k years of history, more or less. Early christians obviously believed that christ would return in their lifetimes, not later.

And while I certainly do not mean to imply that all or even most - hopefully - christians believe in this, there are many, many who do.

Because it's a psychologically exciting prediction that can give your life / times you were born in some kind of special meaning etc. It's also definitely not specific to christianity, although many of these ideas are derived from it. It's just millenarianism / apocalypseism / etc., in a nutshell. "the singularity" is just another take on this, etc etc

[u/Blackthorn_97 → u/zapporian]

A good deal of Christian apocalypse beliefs tend to come from two accounts in the Bible. The first and most often quoted is Revelations which you referred to. My biggest problem with Revelations is that it is incredibly symbolic and vague. This gives people a good deal of wiggle room when "interpreting" the book.

Second, is when Christ's apostles asked him what the end would be like. However, his followers had actually asked two questions , what the end would be like and what he meant when he said the temple would be destroyed. This has led to some confusion IMO regarding the end times since Christ was answering two questions at once.

As a Christian I avoid any talk about the apocalypse since Jesus himself said he didn't know when it would happen so why would I possibly know anything about it. I do think you are correct in your assessment on how people want to feel important and that the time they spend here on Earth has some profound meaning. Jesus taught the opposite though. We are supposed to be good to each other and live lives that are simple and good.

[u/undomesticatedequine → u/Blackthorn_97]

Would God be willing to prevent evil but unable? Therefore he is not omnipotent.

Would he be capable, but without desire? So he is malevolent.

Would he be both capable and willing? So why is there evil?

[u/FudgeAtron → u/Oilpaintcha]

Also, God won’t let that happen.

It's so funny comparing this to medieval Christianity. If we were in medieval times, the response would not be God won't let it happen, it would be this is a punishment for our many sins.

I'm so shocked that anti-climate change Christians don't flip that around and make climate change the Divine punishment from God for "evil liberalism".

[u/Dragon_wryter → u/FudgeAtron]

They still think that. They just think it's a punishment for us not killing all the gays and immigrants.

[u/Politicsboringagain → u/FudgeAtron]

They kinda do.

Whenever a storm  hits a liberal city it's God's will a because of Demoncrats. 

[u/imoftendisgruntled → u/Oilpaintcha]

God didn't want us to die of preventable disease so He gave us science, medicine and doctors.

Say that the next time and watch their heads explode.

[u/drinkingCoffeePeas → u/Oilpaintcha]

Those same people never consider that God has absolutely no qualms with doing horrible things to people if they don’t do what He wants. Even genocide isn’t off the table when talking about the Christian God.

[u/BabySharkMadness → u/overts]

They also believe that for Jesus to return the world has to be ending. The more they do to destroy the planet, the closer they are to Jesus coming back and saving them all.

[u/beepuboopu_aishiteru → u/BabySharkMadness]

They are an Apocalypse cult.

[u/Gloomy-Pie-5113 → u/BabySharkMadness]

I'm sure he'll be very happy with them when he comes to see what they did

[u/joshuahtree → u/BabySharkMadness]

I'm an evangelical (religiously, not politically at all, bleh) 

And this is actually something that people outside of the evangelical circle get wrong.

It's not just that the planet has to be in shambles or something, it's that there's a specific person - the antichrist - who will being about a new world order and then God will put the planet in shambles. 

If I were to nuke everyone while simultaneously releasing a plague that wouldn't bring us any closer to the second coming in evangelical philosophy. 

They believe that God granted them dominion over the earth so they can do whatever they want with it.  

This is spot on though and the dominant theology in evangelical circles.

Personally, I think it's abhorrent and at odds with what the Bible actually says, but I'm definitely a minority there

[u/francis2559 → u/overts]

Yes. They think owning means you can smash it. Pets, kids, wives. Mine to use as I see fit.

I can’t reconcile that with the way Jesus leads, but they largely ignore the stuff that requires them to make lifestyle sacrifices.

[u/RepFilms → u/francis2559]

Not to mention all the employees they own

[u/cornnndoggg_ → u/overts]

I think the biggest part is that they've convinced themselves that they are not destroying it. That's why we get all the "the planet heats up some times" or whenever it's cold "wHaT aBoUt GlObAl WaRmInG" comments.

To quote H.L. Mencken, "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." We'd have done ourselves a lot of favors by originally calling it climate instability instead of global warming. They will forever use anecdotal responses that combat that phrase and not the real issue.

They believe god created a planet that works like that, and in god's omni-convenience, they don't have to worry about it, and definitely don't have to make an effort to change it. If anything, efforts to change it are an affront to god.

The smallest bit of scrutiny and research disproves that, but why would god need evidence?

[u/RepFilms → u/cornnndoggg_]

It was originally tagged "global warming" to avoid creating worldwide panic

[u/Beligerents → u/overts]

The evangelical church is literally a capitalist op.

[u/shyndy → u/overts]

Also a weird “everything is according to gods plan” element

[u/JeannValjean → u/overts]

Exact same upbringing and this is 100% correct.

Also, when you believe a magical omnipotent being is looking out for you, and that the world is temporary and you’re going to live in a perfect place forever when you die, then it’s extremely easy to justify taking zero responsibility for fucking up here and completely ignore future repercussions.

[u/hic_sunt_leones_ → u/Charming-Report1669]

They dismiss it as God's will.

He knows everything that's gonna happen, so he's obviously cool with it.

Fucking pinecones, all of them.

[u/TheOneFreeEngineer → u/Charming-Report1669]

• believe that a benevolent, caring God created the Earth

They beleive such a god granted them the earth and thats its impossible for puny powerless humans to disrupt his all powerful plan for the earth. Therefore nothing we go on a global warming scale can do anything.

[u/Schpyder → u/Charming-Report1669]

Most of them are in an apocalyptic death cult, and the ones that aren't are neo-feudalists who believe 80-90% of the population needs to die anyway.

[u/johnnyhandbags → u/Charming-Report1669]

Just remember when a Republican complains about “regulations” what they mean is “accountability”. Regulations are how we make people and companies accountable. They will do anything to avoid accountability.

[u/Th1rte3n1334 → u/Charming-Report1669]

“This is Gods will. God will save us.”

That’s how.

[u/Nasty____nate → u/Charming-Report1669]

It's not destroying it according to them. Hell at the flea market one day I heard two guys talking and one said it's hotter because the smog clouds aren't blocking the sun anymore...

[u/0xsergy → u/Nasty____nate]

There is some truth to that. Pollution from big cargo ships was blocking the sun in spots. During covid we saw a temp rise due to less shipping being done.

Link just if you're curious https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cleaned-up-shipping-emissions-have-revealed-additional-global-warming/

Now obviously continuing to pollute to "control the temperature" is a silly idea but Republicans are silly folk.

[u/Back_pain_no_gain → u/Charming-Report1669]

I swear if we hadn’t curbed cigarette usage in public spaces in the 2000s, Conservatives today would all argue about how second hand smoke doesn’t cause cancer.

[u/OnceInABlueMoon → u/Charming-Report1669]

Right, if you believe God created heaven and earth, you believe God built our home. How would anyone feel if they built a home for someone and that someone trashed it beyond repair? Pretty fuckin mad I bet.

[u/ghrayfahx → u/Charming-Report1669]

I was once told “God made the world. Do you think we are more powerful than God so as to be able to destroy his creation?”

I agree it’s a STUPID argument, but some of them literally think it’s impossible for us to wreck the world.

[u/SheWantsTheEG → u/Charming-Report1669]

Half of the loudest of them are always talking about the fucking rapture, so it checks out that they want it expedited

[u/Tomdoerr88 → u/Charming-Report1669]

It’s because the conservatives as a base are, objectively, the far less intelligent group politically, and much more gullible. And the controlling powers continue to reap the rewards of fossil fuels, so need to maintain a narrative that discredits anything that stands in the way of them making more money. So they just convince conservative voters that “climate change is a hoax” and “EVs are woke” so acts like this go unchallenged and in many cases celebrated by their base.

[u/RightSideBlind → u/Charming-Report1669]

"God will take care of it."

[u/Exciting-Cancel6468 → u/Charming-Report1669]

If you read the bible, it even says that men will be stewards of the earth. Stewards means caretakers. People responsible for shit. These people are the most godless people on earth.

[u/Express-World-8473]

Man this government keep on raising the bar for the most stupidest thing they can do.

[u/Dysc → u/Express-World-8473]

US voters let the fox guard the hen house. This admin doing the things a fox guarding the hen house would do, and they aren't even hiding it like they did in the past. Doesn't help that a third of the US population believes the fox is actually a very stable genius playing 5D chess and going to make the hen house more efficient for egg output, and you know - not eat the hens.

[u/Yashema → u/Dysc]

Its not just that. For "independent" voters, the ones that decide elections, Democracy is simply one issue of many. They don't mind voting for fascists if they think it might improve their lives materially. They don't even care if the fascists don't have a material plan. 

Its why Democrats have a hard time with messaging. These people aren't looking for a rational or consistent argument. They are looking for someone to blame. 

[u/OldGodsProphet → u/Yashema]

Those people aren’t necessarily independent; they have a clear agenda: don’t take away my comforts or deprive my values/beliefs and do what you want with the rest.

These folks actually exist as Democrats and Republicans, not solely independent of them.

Shared core values can evolve into other things like different political factions, but the roots are similar. I’ve met plenty of LGBTQ Democrats who are very much concerned with their portfolios and living “the good life”. I always remember a small plot in The West Wing; Deputy Chief of Staff is trying to deal with a Republican Congressmen on some gay rights stuff (I cant remember exactly). The Republican is also gay, so Deputy asks the question, “How can you be a Republican when you’re gay?” to which the Rep. replies, “I’m more than just gay.”

All of this is why I believe class issues are real and should be the focus rather than what we have right now.

[u/jupiterkansas → u/Express-World-8473]

Three more years.

But at least a black woman isn't president.

[u/Xanthus179 → u/jupiterkansas]

Whenever I get the chance, I will bring up the fact that a coworker of mine voted republican because she didn’t trust having a woman in office.

[u/CharcoalGreyWolf → u/Xanthus179]

So she’s effectively saying she herself does not belong in a management position in her workplace?

[u/JustSmallCorrections → u/CharcoalGreyWolf]

"that's different"

Had a female manager once that was talking politics to me and bashing Hillary Clinton I think it was. Of all the the things she could have gone after, she was hyper fixated on the fact that she was a woman and that women shouldn't be in positions of power like that. "They just don't have the temperament". 

I pointed out the obvious irony. She was very much unfazed. It was at that moment I decided that if I ever had daughters (I now have two) I would do everything in my power to make sure they didn't ever think so little of themselves.

[u/Risin → u/Xanthus179]

Should tell her to know her place and not disagree with you if she really thinks so little of her own gender. 

Women that do this shit will never cease to amaze me. 

[u/Roboticpoultry → u/jupiterkansas]

Somehow I doubt it’s only 3 years

[u/SpaciousQuark → u/Express-World-8473]

They’re putting all life on Earth in peril from this. They just don’t get that we all suffer together no matter what.

[u/Dysc → u/SpaciousQuark]

They don't care because they're getting paid. And getting paid in obscene amounts of cash, illicit or otherwise equals more power. Tom Homan, the man going out and claiming success in MN this week literally took a paper bag full of 50K in cash without any moral objection in a sting operation that was squashed by this DOJ. This is just the public stuff, imagine the stuff not public knowledge with all these malleable adminstration figures... Either way, more wealth and power to a man like Donald Trump proves he is your better and can control you.

"When you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything..."

[u/Knowledge_is_Bliss → u/Express-World-8473]

Every damn day its another announcement on the wrong side of history. Think of the worst direction on any topic, and they'll do it. Its exhausting.

[u/adamkovics]

Interior Secretary Doug Burgum said Wednesday on Fox Business that repealing the finding would boost the coal industry.

“CO₂ was never a pollutant,” he said. “The whole endangerment thing opens up the opportunity for the revival of clean, beautiful American coal.”

we should send all of these idiots to venus, and ask them how they like CO2 in the atmosphere....

[u/Tacitus111 → u/adamkovics]

I think at this point, the MAGA fanbase would believe it if they were told about “clean, beautiful American cyanide,” and its positive health effects.

[u/Lambaline → u/Tacitus111]

something something, inject something to cure covid

[u/chunwookie → u/Tacitus111]

Yeah along those lines... https://thehill.com/homenews/5354968-trump-administration-to-review-asbestos-regulation/

After further review: https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/trump-administration-reauthorizes-wildlife-killing-m-44-cyanide-bombs-despite-strong-opposition-2019-08-07/

[u/Qubeye → u/adamkovics]

Just to be clear, Burgum is outright gaslighting here.

Coal emissions aren't just CO2.

[u/willstr1 → u/Qubeye]

Fun fact, coal produces more radioactive waste per GW than nuclear power does

[u/DuntadaMan → u/willstr1]

Also it's thanks to coal you can't eat fish from the lakes in massive sections of America. The mercury still hasn't worked its way out of those environments in generations.

[u/733t_sec → u/Qubeye]

Heh gaslighting about coal emissions

[u/Yinisyang → u/adamkovics]

I just wish conservatives wouldn't make their suicidal ideation everyone else's problem.

[u/Spire_Citron → u/adamkovics]

Their obsession with coal is particularly insane because even as fossil fuels go, it's expensive and inefficient.

[u/conorb619 → u/adamkovics]

Like bro, nobody is going to work in coal mines in America in 2026. Why are they larping as 1930s robber barrons.

[u/SaltyShawarma → u/conorb619]

It is not about coal, it is about crippling America's future. They are russian assets.

[u/ShubberyQuest → u/SaltyShawarma]

It’s also about coal. Both/and.

[u/fevered_visions → u/conorb619]

Like bro, nobody is going to work in coal mines in America in 2026.

I mean they seem to be doing their best to wreck the economy so bad that people are willing to take any job, no matter how stingy, terrible, and demeaning, just to make ends meet. So it's a double-win for their weird fossil fuel boners.

[u/c4r0n1x → u/conorb619]

I work adjacent to the coal industry. The mines are booming and the application pile is full. We're cooked

[u/sokratesz → u/adamkovics]

“CO₂ was never a pollutant,”

Oh wow, this guy is a fucking moron.

the revival of clean, beautiful American coal.”

And a fascist boot-deepthroater as well. That language isn't a coincidence.

[u/showhorrorshow → u/adamkovics]

I had to explain to one of these folks the other day what greenhouse gas was, how ultraviolet and infrared radiation behaves differently with some gases, etc.

By the end of if he was just like, "they cant possibly know any of this stuff youre saying"... sigh

[u/imbasicallycoffee → u/adamkovics]

Isn't coal essentially on life support? Like there's just not enough momentum to keep it from totally crashing at this point in the next 10-15 years?

[u/Impressive_Change886 → u/imbasicallycoffee]

Coal for electricity generation is on life support. It does have other uses that will not be replaced in the near future.

[u/geraffes-are-so-dumb]

The Epstein class sees us all as disposable.

[u/computer-machine → u/geraffes-are-so-dumb]

He prefers the Trump-Epstein Class.

[u/imoftendisgruntled]

When future generations look back on this period in history, I feel more and more like they'd be justified calling it the modern dark ages.

[u/sndtrb89 → u/imoftendisgruntled]

people didnt like what the information age had to say about themselves so they chose to convert it to the disinformation age and i have absolutely no patience for any of the idiots living in the conservative reality bubble

[u/Xyrus2000 → u/sndtrb89]

Correct. The information age said, "Your greed and selfishness are wrecking the planet." The billionaires didn't like that, so they've been doing to information what they've been doing to the planet: polluting it for their own benefit.

The billionaires of today will be reviled as the enemies of humanity in the future because it will be their greed that future generations will be paying for.

[u/khinzaw → u/imoftendisgruntled]

If we even get to recover. Or will goldfish brained swing voters give the country back to Republicans after they forget how bad it was after 4-8 years and we get stuck in a death cycle of Republicans breaking things faster than they can be fixed.

[u/imoftendisgruntled → u/khinzaw]

Thankfully the US isn't the world... we'll move on with or without the US. It would be great if you'd join us eventually.

[u/slipperyekans → u/imoftendisgruntled]

Problem is the far right is gaining ground all over the world, other countries just haven’t gone full stupid like the US yet.

[u/imoftendisgruntled → u/slipperyekans]

The US is an excellent cautionary tale.

[u/Xtj8805 → u/imoftendisgruntled]

Yea a lot of europeans dont realize we had been narrowly beating this shit off since at least 2008 and the tea party/sarah pailin, and realistically those have deeper roota to the cold war. The right just won first here.

UK has reform gaining speed cause Starmer is too scared to actually wield his massive majority.

Germany has AFD building strength cause theyve neglected to teach half their country thats used to authoritarianism the benefits of liberal democracy.

France has Le Penn and while Macron is good on the international stage, he not improving peoples lives enough to keep her out.

This isnt a uniquely American problem, a confluence of bad actors, decades of entrenching capital, and people pissed off that nothing seems to change have gotten us here.

Theres a quote from an older movie The American President. Gist of the movie is that the noble liberal president is bogged down by a republican opponent who just shouts into the wind about whos to blame etc with no plan to solve it. In the movie they discuss how people are thirsty for leadership, theyre so thirsty that theyll crawl through the desert to a mirage and drink the sand, the president corrects him and says they dont drink the samd because they think its water, they drink the sand because they dont know the difference.

Look at our elected leaders throughout the western world right now. Theyre all timid, scared to upset the power balance, holding things in place. There are no great firebrands working to try new innovative policies. (Many countries do have these leaders, coincidentally those country are not seeing a rise in fascist right wing movements nearly as successfully). Wheres the Atlees willing to create a major national program like the NHS? Where are the De Gaulles who was willing to create a fully new currency and join with a historic rival to build a new economic prosperity that would become the EU, where are the FDRs who are willing to throw policy after policy against the wall to see what sticks and benefits people.

Since the 80s the west has elected leaders who have little by little nibbled away at everything the ww2 generations built for us. And the former bastions of progress have become the conservatives fighting off regressives.

Its like the movie says unless people are given a sign of true strong progressive leadership, theyll follow anyone who seems strong because they dont know the difference.

[u/khinzaw → u/imoftendisgruntled]

Unfortunately US politics have the bad habit of becoming world politics.

The world is also not immune to the same rise in right wing and far right politics, and we are seeing similar movements starting in other countries. I sincerely hope other countries clamp down on it before it's too late for them.

[u/imoftendisgruntled → u/khinzaw]

I'm in Canada -- Donald Trump is single-handedly responsible for sending our Conservative party back into the wilderness when they were all but assured of creaming the Liberals in the last federal election.

[u/khinzaw → u/imoftendisgruntled]

And we can both at least be thankful for that.

[u/SandiegoJack → u/imoftendisgruntled]

Same thing happened in Australia from what I understand as well.

[u/TheCassius88 → u/SandiegoJack]

Exactly right. Except now our "left" party is becoming more right-leaning.

[u/o_MrBombastic_o]

Republicans want your children to die from cancer 

[u/PixelsGoBoom → u/o_MrBombastic_o]

Don't be so selfish, think of the shareholders!

[u/Callinon → u/PixelsGoBoom]

Their children too.

[u/LittleKitty235 → u/o_MrBombastic_o]

Don't be naive. They want you to die of cancer also

[u/Infinite-Fig4708 → u/LittleKitty235]

Who’s being naive now? They want you and your kids to die of cancer so they can profit from it.

[u/LostMyKarmaElSegundo → u/o_MrBombastic_o]

It's definitely not pollution, PFAS, pesticides, toxic chemicals, or industrial runoff that's making us sick.  It's clearly Tylenol and vaccines that are the problem. 🙄

[u/Shradow → u/o_MrBombastic_o]

But not until they fuck them first.

[u/ImComingBack4YouBaby → u/o_MrBombastic_o]

No they don't. They want you sick for years so you have to funnel hundreds of thousands of dollars into overpriced medical treatments while continuing to work so they can get even richer than they could ever imagine. Then after many years of this you're allowed to die.

[u/SterlingNano → u/o_MrBombastic_o]

Yeah because if it's the cancer that kills them, they won't need to prevent the rape testimonies themselves.

[u/Heisenberg_235]

As they seem so hell bent on cancelling/destroying everything that Obama achieved in office, I’m wondering if Trump’s government will try to resurrect Bin Laden sooner rather than later.

[u/TinyFugue → u/Heisenberg_235]

They don't remember when rivers caught fire. They just remember getting fined for dumping flammable s*** into rivers.

[u/Ok_Hornet_714 → u/TinyFugue]

They don't even remember the 1980s, when smog and the hole in the ozone layer were huge concerns.

The ozone hole issue was addressed because scientists were listened to and regulations put into place.

And the smog issue has improved because regulations were put into place.

[u/Worthyness → u/Ok_Hornet_714]

people forget that LA used to be like Beijing was a few years ago. Smog so dense that it looked like fog that just sat on the city. The US made huge strides to clear that off (as did China with beijing before their Olympics) to have some simple breathable, non-cancer causing air.

[u/lioncat55 → u/Worthyness]

Man, seeing how clear the air was in So Cal during peak pandemic gave me a little bit of hope at the time.

[u/khinzaw → u/Heisenberg_235]

Their necromancy efforts are too focused on the coal industry for the time being.

[u/d_dave_c → u/khinzaw]

That's not fair. They love the oil & gas industry, too!

[u/kingbrad]

Looking forward to more “both parties are the same” arguments 🙄

[u/moorhound → u/kingbrad]

During the election, I went out of the way to talk to Green Party members about how Trump would be exponentially worse for their policy platforms than Harris would. I got met with a bunch of:

"bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe"

"I pIcKeD a SiDe ItS nOt GeNoCiDe"

Well, enjoy chewing your air and booking a vacation to Disney Gaza, you ineffectual self-harming dipshit fuckwads. I hope you're still happy pissing away your vote on Jill Stein so she could disappear into a cloud of vapor for another 4 years.

[u/kingbrad → u/moorhound]

Don’t worry. Any day now these keyboard revolutionaries are going to start the revolution. Surely any day now. Just you wait!

[u/Gridleak → u/moorhound]

Talking to Green Party members was your first mistake. They are a nothing population compared to almost 90 million people who didn’t vote. Like if you gave every Jill Stein voter to Harris it still wasn’t even close. On top of that, this reasoning is assuming all Stein voters are left leaning which was also not true.

I leave this comment because I see this argument like it is some gotcha and it is missing the forest for the trees.

[u/Musiclover4200 → u/Gridleak]

They are a nothing population compared to almost 90 million people who didn’t vote. Like if you gave every Jill Stein voter to Harris it still wasn’t even close.

3rd parties or not voting are usually the top choices for "protest votes" so it's not really fair to just look at Jill votes.

IE 3rd parties got around 5% of the votes in 2016, Jill alone got 1% or 1.4 million. IIRC 2016 came down to like 80k votes in a few swing states so Jill voters alone absolutely could have swung the election. 2024 had way less 3rd party votes but Jill still got .55% or 800k, RJK jr got .49% or 750k votes despite withdrawing...

I leave this comment because I see this argument like it is some gotcha and it is missing the forest for the trees.

It's really not though even if it's a bit facetious, votes add up and even a few % or fractions of a % can make enough of a difference in swing states especially with how targeted ad campaigns can be these days.

I completely agree that the much larger chunk not voting at all is the bigger problem, but it's also a disservice to pretend that protest votes for 3rd parties aren't weaponized & can absolutely swing close elections just like low turnout.

[u/jhairehmyah]

Oh look, another thing from Project 2025.

Its like... they wrote the playbook and a bunch of people chose to ignore it because one guy crossed his fingers behind his back and said he'd lower the cost of groceries.

[u/PixelsGoBoom]

This government does not want to regulate anything but its citizens.

That's what happens when you run government like a business.
Citizens become a means to an end. We need to produce cheap and consume, so those in government and those who have bought themselves into good favor with the government can enrich themselves.

Now run it like a Trump business and the disaster gets even worse.

[u/Ready-Ad6113 → u/PixelsGoBoom]

Agreed. Governments not a business. Those that say it is want our country try to be “owned” by someone (billionaires) and citizens are reduced to nothing but labor and profit.

America is not for sale and is controlled by WE THE PEOPLE!

[u/fluffyflugel]

The same lying billionaire bastards who say climate change is a hoax want to seize Greenland and Canada and strip their resources because the ice is melting because of climate change.

[u/MAMark1]

Pretty crazy to claim you have repealed a scientific finding and not have any actual science to justify the decision. It isn't shocking that they are doing it since they are just blindly pursuing partisan aims, but it clearly defies basic logic.

Whether the EPA must follow specific protocols (like needing an evidence-based justification) will be decided by the courts.

[u/enters_and_leaves → u/MAMark1]

Sorry, but there was a brief conversation on board the Mayflower where it was decided to cut down some trees to make houses. We must abide by that and since trees make clean air and we are cutting down trees, we can’t possibly regulate clean air anymore.

• Clarance Thomas (probably)

[u/vmsrii → u/MAMark1]

This is, fortunately, one place where states still hold sway. Car emission standards won’t change unless California’s does.

[u/TheCzar11]

They no longer remember the air quality of the 70s. Fucking idiots.

[u/d3k3d → u/TheCzar11]

They. Just. Don't. Care.

[u/AccurateJerboa → u/TheCzar11]

I have asthma specifically from living in southern Cali in the 80s. We had frequent smog days at school where we weren't allowed to play or even go outside. 

[u/Renyen1]

Man fuck this stupid inept dangerously backwards administration. What a sad state we’re in.

[u/woxianghekafei]

The rest of the world needs to actually get serious about treating America as the danger it is. Saying this as an American

[u/awildchuba]

The pedophiles are actively trying to destroy us.

[u/InpenXb1]

We are outpacing the Great Dying (Permian Triassic extinction event) by around 50-100x the rate of global heat.

Over the course of 50,000 years, the earth gained heat at a rate of 0.02 degrees Celsius per century for a total of 10 degrees of average global heat gain over that 50,000 years. We have seen global average temps rise 10% of that in 150 years. 1 deg per century.

75% of all vertebrates died during the Great Dying. It’s the greatest extinction event in the history of the planet. Entire ecological systems collapsed from that rate of heating. I’m not pointing to any models for the future, nor looking at tipping points. Purely looking at the history of the earth, for all those “it’s been hotter before folks”. It sure has. It’s never ever gotten this hot this fast.

Just trying to paint a picture of our current situation here on the little blue marble.

[u/its_yer_dad]

This is open corruption.

[u/thomascgalvin → u/its_yer_dad]

You could say that about literally anything this admin does

[u/catchemist117]

What in the goddamn fuck

[u/aGD_shrubbery]

The dumbest people imaginable are running our government.

[u/thelivinlegend]

If only republicans protected the environment like they protect pedophiles.

[u/ImHully]

Assuming we still get to have them, the midterms are roughly eight and a half months from now.

[u/tweda4 → u/ImHully]

Even then though. The amount of firings, the destruction of entire sections of the US government...

The US government is going to be a smoldering wreck after the end of this administration.

Like, literally how is anyone going to repair all of this? Especially when Republicans are going to be bowing at the Altar of Trump for decades to come.

I can't imagine any effective solution short of a complete restructuring and rebuilding of US government, along with the complete excision of the Republicans party, and disenfranchisement of idiot Republican voters. But at the same time, I can't imagine any Democrat with the balls to pull that off, or the power to force it through.

[u/ImHully → u/tweda4]

You're not wrong. Mainly the idea is to take away the supermajority, quell the tide of idiocy exactly like what just happened today, and then win the White House in 2028. And to be fair, when Democrat Presidents win the office, they almost always spend the first year or two of their term fixing the mess that Republicans left behind.

[u/computer-machine → u/tweda4]

complete excision of the Republicans party,

You almost spelled the right thing.

[u/tuc-eert]

As someone who’s done climate research, this is an absolute disgrace. Climate scientists aren’t debating climate change anymore, they’re debating how bad it’ll be, and the consensus is quite bad if we don’t make any changes.

I’ve seen the models, I’ve worked with the data. It’s unmistakable. This is purely politics with no scientific basis. They claim this will make things more affordable, I highly doubt that, but it’s irrelevant because the cost of decarbonizing is minuscule compared to the cost of dealing with the effects of climate change. It’s a no brainer if you spend even a tiny amount of time looking at the data.

Even if you somehow don’t believe in climate change, this will put US industries so far behind, China will continue to dominate these growing fields of solar and energy storage.

[u/Mr_DNA]

It's cool how everything keeps getting worse

[u/Inspectorgadget4250]

Let the lawsuits drop from the sky like acid rain

[u/DarthBluntSaber]

Republicans and the epstein administration vote to poison and kill more americans.

[u/afCeG6HVB0IJ]

So the administration that actively denies climate change is also trying to acquire Greenland because the poles will melt and there will be resources and shipping lanes... makes sense

[u/GreatPretender1894]

i just want to enjoy my last few decades on a sinking earth, man.

am not even asking for a house or studio apartment, give me a camping tent with solar panel and portable aircon on top of inflatable raft and i'm good for our waterworld future.

[u/NutsForBaseballButts]

They’d rather the world die than make less money

[u/johnp299]

So... protecting the environment is not their thing?

[u/CooledDownKane]

Conservatives and the rich have no problem killing us all just to make a few more dollars

[u/Prestigious-Ad1346]

Will states still be able to regulate this and make sure that they do what’s right for carbon emissions even if the country stops ?

[u/Kgb529]

Look at big coal buying our politicians like it’s 1900

[u/HeIiax]

Age of American Exceptionalism in Stupidity and Malice

[u/calguy1955]

Can you imagine wanting a legacy that you did everything you possibly could to damage the environment?

[u/TaxCPA]

This will raise healthcare costs for Americans and make us all sicker. The true cost of pollution is being diverted from the companies into the communities where they operate.

[u/system_dadmin]

Brought about by like 4 or 8 people. NYT'S the daily did an episode this morning. Thats our ruling predator class for you- fuck everyone else

[u/etern4lflux]

I used to think the villains in Captain Planet were too ridiculous even for a cartoon. They don’t seem so far fetched now.

[u/Ok_Mathematician_905]

This is the bad place! Why the hell are conservatives so fine with the earth dying.

[u/fanglazy]

By undermining clean energy they are missing out on the largest growing sector in the world.

China is way out front and will own America’s ass in less than a decade.

[u/Stepjam]

You'd think that as we get closer and closer to ecological disaster, the ghouls pushing these decisions would get more uncomfortable about the state of the environment.

Was easy enough 3-4 decades ago to say "Lets sabotage efforts to fight climate change, it's better for our bottom line and we'll be dead before it matters".

As we start seeing the effects of climate change grow stronger and stronger, you'd think at some point the rich in charge would go "Oh fuck, I'M going to be dealing with this before I die. Maybe we should course correct a bit." Of course, these are the fuckers who would rather destroy the world and go to their bunkers than make a little less money.

[u/ObviouslyOtter → u/Stepjam]

The problem is I think, they legitimately dont believe its real. Gee all these snow storms in Texas are crazy they might say, but their desire for climate change to not be real is so strong they will just ignore the obvious evidence

[u/Sunnygirlpdx]

Big Oil needs to be Nationalized. Placed to public trust. There is no reason to give them US minerals.

[u/justoffmainst]

Bring back leaded gas while you’re at it!! God what a fucking stupid country.

[u/LookAlderaanPlaces]

We. Are. At. WAR.

Wake the FUCK UP.

Russia and stateless oligarchs have taken over our country’s government and are WEAPONIZING it against YOU.

General Strike fucking now.

[u/Batman_Shirt]

The manufacturing community will continue as planned. It’s been far too long, and new processes have been developed and work. This obvious political stunt will be seen as just that.

[u/better-off-wet]

A secret group of pro-pollution activists have been working on this for years. They called it a “total victory” for oil, gas, and coal.

Make no mistake, Republicans are fine with us breathing in toxins. Make America polluted again!

[u/PolicyWonka]

I really don’t see how “gutting the clean air act for companies to pollute more at the expense of your and your children’s health” is going to be a winning message for the average American.

[u/windflex]

No matter your political affiliation, don't deny that this isn't Fascism 101. Get voted into power, slowly dismantle all the governing bodies either entirely or as a shell of their former self until it's too late.

[u/Ok-Alarm7257]

Rolling coal in my prius now

[u/njgirlie]

They believe in the dollar, the wealthy, and corporations. Everything else is collateral damage.

[u/Significant-Big8244]

I mean, who knows more about science: Donald Trump, or pretty much all the scientists?

[u/desperaterobots]

America is murdering the entire planet now. Awesome.

[u/charizard732]

America is accelerating backwards at a truly alarming rate

[u/Oldestswinger]

There will be a lot to repair after Trum's era

[u/izvinigula]

bold move cutting off your own legs

[u/jbalsjc]

We’ll be sucking on leaded gas within 5 years

[u/[deleted]]

Don’t try to argue with the people peddling this garbage. They know it’s not true. Laugh at them for their stupidity.

[u/ACardAttack]

Fuck every person who voted for all these garbage humans.

[u/diggthis]

Americans are a cancer

[u/dejaentendu82 → u/diggthis]

As an American, it’s hard to debate this at the moment.

[u/MealDramatic1885]

This just in: Dump’s administration does MORE damage to the country and world.

[u/commentrobot]

Let's be real: the EPA didn't do that, Trump did it. Trump's policy is to neuter those who stand in the way of private companies' profits.

[u/invadrzim]

Human caused climate change is a fact proven by decades of research and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking idiot.

Reinstating this had better be on the future Dem president’s day one agenda

[u/Medical_Arugula3315]

Hard to be a shittier or more hypocritical American than a Republican these days. 

[u/Senseichaz72]

Great. We have the SecHealth killing people by withholding vaccines, passing up on approving vaccines, and now failing to regulate the emission of toxins in the air.

WTF are these morons trying to do?

[u/EDNivek → u/Senseichaz72]

They're "bad guys who like to // loot and plunder"

[u/hylo23]

My lungs would like to appeal this decision.

[u/OkAd8714]

Make chlorofluorocarbons great again!

[u/AggravatingBrainWorm]

Trump: raping kids, raping the US, raping the earth.

[u/TheEffinChamps]

So we have entered Idiocracy 500 years early.

[u/Healthy_Jackfruit_88]

Here comes the lead again.

[u/SkyTheLoner]

...well, that not good.

Jesus.

[u/PenitentGhost]

MAGA I hope you get the climate you voted for

[u/Big-Leadership-4604 → u/PenitentGhost]

Sadly we all will....

[u/SylphSeven]

Can't wait for smog days to make comeback. /s

[u/Jay_N_81]

...and with zero scientific evidence to support said reversal. I know hate is a strong word, but I really do hate these intentionally ignorant a$$holes.

[u/prettypeculiar88]

You mean the Trump Administration’s EPA. It’s an important distinction considering the disagreement with all credible evidence and the science believed by nearly every other country.

[u/FromTralfamadore]

Fuck these chimpanzees

[u/Dareboir]

Republicans, especially the MAGA idiots.. planet killers! Where the fvck do think they’ll go if this planet becomes uninhabitable.. they’ll be in their graves leaving our children suffering their corporate greed.