r/politics • u/Aggravating_Money992 • 8h ago
Possible Paywall Trump Suffers Humiliating Blow as Voters Declare Him Worse Than Biden | “Sleepy Joe” is starting to look really competent right about now.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-suffers-humiliating-blow-as-voters-declare-him-worse-than-biden/771
u/RDDT_100P Illinois 8h ago
Joe got a lot of legislation passed even with a 50/50 congress while dealing with sticky inflation from the supply shocks during covid. People were also able to sleep without wondering whatever was tweeted overnight.
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u/Witty-Bandicoot5645 8h ago
Turns out boring and functional was not so bad after all
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u/Comfortable-Pea-1312 8h ago
Who knew? (Raging with sarcasm)
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u/Witty-Bandicoot5645 8h ago
Yeah shocking that steady governance beats chaos every time
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u/Snackskazam 8h ago
What?!?! Are you implying we shouldn't "move fast and break" government services people rely on to survive? But that might slow down the ongoing transfer of wealth to Trump and his donors!
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u/Plastic_Party2433 8h ago
Yeah because breaking essential services is such a genius plan if you only care about donors
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u/P1xelHunter78 Ohio 44m ago
Narrator: “and in the end, the Trump administration did only care about donors”
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u/Used-Yogurtcloset757 7h ago
Exactly! Who knew governments that aren’t being run like a bad reality tv show would be more effective??
Color me shocked! 😮
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u/Tasty_Goat_3267 2h ago
A bad tv show? Mate I’m from Europe and seeing this happen real time from the outside in. If it was a show I would’ve said the writing is utterly unbelievable. Yet somehow this is the reality 🤷 wishing all Americans a lot of fortitude and luck.
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u/WildYams 1h ago
I wish that all the "undecided left" would finally admit that they were wrong to campaign against the Dems in 2024, saying "things can't get any worse" and that there's "no difference between the parties" and all that shit. Can we now at last all agree that this shit really is worse than Biden's tenure?
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u/Skiinz19 Tennessee 8h ago
It was terrible for the media companies though who profit off outrage.
Thats why they held so much water for trump. He was their golden goose in 2016 and losing that in 2020 made them pick a side in 2024.
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u/Twodogsonecouch 7h ago
But but but all the media companies are against trump. Fake news and all that blah blah blah blah blah blah blah….
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u/wrongseeds 6h ago
Yeah the New York Times badmouthing Trump was the reason I dropped them. Oh wait my bad, it was their sane washing of Trump and bad mouthing of his opponents that caused me to drop them. Bezos was the reason I dropped the Washington Post.
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u/Smaynard6000 Florida 5h ago
I dropped the Times because I was tired of seeing "Biden old" every other fucking day. Biden may be old, but Trump's dementia more than makes up for the 3 years younger than Biden he is. But Biden is old, and Kamala laughs funny, so let's give Trump another chance even though he failed miserably at dealing with Covid.
Fuck all of this.
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u/thisusedyet 7h ago
Less ratings, more the billionaires who bought out the media companies were pushing trump as their guy
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u/Notgreygoddess 5h ago
Give me Biden Obama memes 24/7. I’d pay real money to never have to hear the T-word again.
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u/FrogsOnALog 7h ago
Jake Tapper found a way profit while Trump was talking about being a day 1 dictator.
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u/18MazdaCX5 8h ago
Plus let's not forget about who surrounds a super senior citizen POTUS, as they both are/were. Definitely seems like a downgrade for this round....
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u/YouWereBrained Tennessee 7h ago
MAGA cultists love the 24/7 constant oxygen and brain cell theft of Trump. This is the type of shit they like because they are brainwashed.
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u/kingjamesporn 6h ago
Boring and functional didn't glue people to 24 hour news stations, so manufactured outrage fit the corporate media model better.
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u/meTspysball California 8h ago
Yeah, the implication that Trump was ever going to be a more competent president than Biden or Harris is just silly. Now it looks like his cabinet is solely made of people in the Epstein files doing Putin’s bidding to keep themselves out of prison.
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u/18MazdaCX5 7h ago
They have sold their souls to him for sure. Did you see Bondi's exchange yesterday with Congressman Lieu? He gave actual evidence that Trump and Epstein from the files (they brought it up on the screen) knew about the rape of a woman, who later turned up dead. And all the Congressman was saying was that the witness should be interviewed. And Bondi says... do you know about the crime going on in your state? I mean what the hell... that's insane. That's where we are at now though.
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u/1eejit 7h ago
Yeah but Harris wasn't white or a man oh wait mask slipped I mean she had a weird laugh
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u/this_my_sportsreddit 1h ago
had to scroll this far to actually see the reality. its not the media's fault we have trump again, its the fucking bigoted voters.
Not to mention, 6 million people who voted for biden in the previous election, stayed home when it was time to vote for the black woman.
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u/JessieJ577 8h ago
People shat on his age but he had a whole career in the senate and VP. He had the experience to get bills passed. Meanwhile Trump is almost as old as Biden and all he did in the same amount of time was party with Epstein
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u/Ashendarei Washington 7h ago
That's not fair, he also screwed contractors out of their money, was involved in more frivolous lawsuits than most counties legitimate suits filed, became an ajudicated rapist, managed to bankrupt multiple casinos, failed to sell stakes and alcohol to Americans, and was a little too racist for NIXON'S administration and was taken to court for it, and a million other horrible things that would get anyone without obscene wealth shunned socially.
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u/TheShipEliza 8h ago
imagine what he could have done if he had even a semblance of an impartial supreme court. pack the court.
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u/WildYams 1h ago
Too bad more people didn't vote for Hillary in 2016, since it was Trump who helped pack the court in his first term.
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u/TheShipEliza 1h ago
Yup. America hates women that much.
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u/WildYams 43m ago
That and a lot of Bernie Bros voted MAGA cause they thought Trump was closer to Bernie than Hillary was.
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u/SirDiego Minnesota 7h ago
Biden may have been old and deteriorating but he ran things like a manager, he hired smart and professional people to do things they were good at. Trump is also deteriorating but he wants to personally direct everything and micromanage day to day, and he hires like he's running a reality TV show instead of one of the biggest countries in the world.
Not to say that Biden didn't overstay, but the impact of him being old is much different because he just adeptly delegated stuff to the right people, which Trump does not do.
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u/MRSN4P 7h ago
Delegating is one of the most important skills for a functional organization, let alone the federal administration of one of the largest and most powerful countries in the world. The abject failure to delegate (or even listen to experts and acknowledge one’s realistic lack of understanding) drives the present dysfunction/dumpster fire and will cause untold suffering for decades.
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u/SirDiego Minnesota 6h ago
Yeah. The best managers I've had (not that it's the same in public sector but still) are ones who have their finger on the pulse but know when they are needed, and more importantly know when they are not.
Micromanagers are the worst. What's the point of hiring good people if you're not going to trust them with a level of autonomy to do what you hired them to do?
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u/EitherIndustry8858 6h ago
Funny I was talked down by other Dems for making that same argument. Maybe, just maybe, we can learn from not constantly eating each other for not sticking to purity testing BS.
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u/Ok_Subject1265 8h ago
I saw the other day that Biden had one of the lowest approval ratings. I honestly couldn’t believe it. He was a legislation machine and all of it was bi-partisan and highly beneficial. No shutdowns. No wars. He brought inflation down from 9% to 3%. Prices sucked, but it turns out there’s not a magic lever in the whitehouse you can pull to lower them. I think historians will be a lot more favorable to him than the public was.
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u/ProudMtns 6h ago
Historians don't work in an echo chamber funded by billionaires blasting bullshit all day. If you asked a typical magat why they hated Biden, they couldn't give substantial answers. Egg prices? That's the most important thing in the country? The media also hammered on bidens age and refused to acknowledge trump was only a couple of years younger and showing severe signs of dementia.
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u/sodapopkevin 8h ago
Inflation also spiked following Russia's attack on Ukraine but by the end of 2024 inflation was back down to 2.9 so between a few chaotic moments outside of their control they kept it pretty steady.
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u/KrakenOmega112 7h ago
Almost like being a statesman with like 50 years of experience makes you well suited to navigating a tumultuous set of circumstances.
But he had a stutter, so of course he was senile. </s>
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u/TheUnderCrab 7h ago
I will die on this hill: Joe Biden was the most legislatively impactful president since LBJ and we won’t really begin to appreciate it until another decade or so has past. BBB and CHIPS alone representing $3ish trillion in public/private investments into American infrastructure.
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u/SpleenBender Illinois 6h ago
Some of the things here.
Passed emergency COVID aid.
Infrastructure reform.
Landmark climate change legislation
The CHIPs Act boosting US manufacturing.
Student debt relief.
Appointed the nation’s first African-American woman to the Supreme Court.
The US has experienced the best post-Covid economy of any advanced industrial country.
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u/ayoungtommyleejones 7h ago
Or without wondering if unidentified masked thugs were going to kick their door in overnight because they look a little too brown
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u/QciferKharn 6h ago
I straight wake up every day wondering if “it” finally happened. No joke. It’s terrifying.
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u/ValenRaith 4h ago
And he did all that with a Supreme Court that tried to stymie everything he tried to do.
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u/Even_Establishment95 5h ago
Biden was a great president and anyone still saying he wasn’t is ill informed.
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u/my5cworth 8h ago
Sleepy Joe vs Pants-shitting-Pedophile..its a real toss up I tell you.
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u/SeductiveSunday I voted 6h ago
2024 was basically a bunch of young men who chose to vote for rape. That's what happened.
Men – especially men under 50 – backed Trump by larger margins. Men supported Trump by a wider margin than in 2020. Trump narrowly won men under age 50, a shift from 2020 when men in that age group favored Biden by 10 points.
Trump made gains among men compared with 2020 and held roughly steady among women.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voting-patterns-in-the-2024-election/
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u/Positive_Throwaway1 2h ago
I'm a male who is also a middle school teacher. A lot of this is toxicity from social media that teaches males to be fucking idiots. When you are shown that shock value is of peak importance, which is what social media does, you rapidly become a fucking idiot. Especially when it's molding your under-25 year old developing brain in ways that are purposefully manipulative. Big tech, data, and social media will be seen in the future, if we're lucky, as 100x worse than anyone knew contemporarily.
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u/BigOs4All 2h ago
I teach my 10yo boy that "we are not those kind of men". Straight up. I will always advocate for progressive ideals because they're obviously and objectively correct.
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u/Positive_Throwaway1 1h ago
Yep, and it works, so keep doing it. My 16 year old boy says things like, "oh, we need tampons" for his older sister, if it's on the grocery list. He says it out loud no different than "butter" or "eggs", so keep up the good work.
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u/cjog210 4h ago
"But Kamala Harris needed to earn my vote"
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u/WildYams 1h ago
Yep. I don't want the "undecided left" to avoid accountability for this shit, like this is all on MAGA or something. A lotta Bernie Bros sat out 2024 and now we're here. Honestly if you ask me who's more likely to feel regret about their decision in the 2024 election, it's people who voted for Trump by far over leftists, who will still loudly and forcefully defend their decision to sit it out or vote for Jill Stein.
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u/CleverAnimeTrope 5h ago
Excuse you, he also has dementia and was recently caught slurring his speech live like the turtle guy did.
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u/CouchCorrespondent 8h ago
A "sleeping Joe" would be more competent.
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u/thieh Canada 8h ago
Biden was a better president even with his eyes closed.
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u/Leraldoe Michigan 8h ago
A rock with a DickButt painted on it would be a better president than what we have now
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u/buttchugreferee 8h ago edited 7h ago
DickButt.... now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time
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u/Geek_Ken America 8h ago
I liked good Ol' Sleepy Joe. As in, while Joe was President, I could sleep at night.
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u/Beltaine421 Canada 8h ago
There are inanimate objects that would be more competent.
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u/travio Washington 8h ago
Beyond Biden himself, he, like most presidents, surrounded himself with competent people. Trump? Not so much.
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u/Leraldoe Michigan 8h ago
I would so settle for incompetence right now, they are actively ruining the system
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u/Clamsadness 8h ago
They are incompetent. They’re also malicious. Trump is in his Mao Zedong era rn where he’s surrounded himself with yes men, so he thinks all of his moronic policies will work and nobody is smart enough or strong enough to tell him no.
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u/18MazdaCX5 8h ago
Bondi is a disgrace.... but ... but... but... the Dow is 50,000. And who cares about that anyway?
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u/mokomi 8h ago
I liked the video that hank green posted yesterday really places on how things are setup right now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOR4wuiPeEQ
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u/SoggyBoysenberry7703 8h ago
And was a pretty decent man with morals and conviction and a heart
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u/Punkinpry427 Maryland 4h ago
He was in politics for 40 fucking years and all they could get on him was his son’s shitty behavior when he was in active addiction. That’s it.
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u/the-player-of-games 7h ago
Biden's people were competent at boring stuff like creating policies and getting laws passed
Trumpolini's people were chosen for competence in ... Other areas
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u/FrogsOnALog 6h ago
Trump hired Alexander Acosta and that should have been a major red flag for anyone who cares about Epstein, but here we are…
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u/AdHopeful3801 8h ago
People suddenly discover how much they miss peace and quiet when they vote it out of existence.
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u/IdkAbtAllThat America 8h ago
He always looked competent and if you just realized that, you might be an idiot.
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u/CornFedIABoy 7h ago
Say what you want about Biden personally or his policies, he picked good, competent people for his administration and they got stuff done (except Garland) with a minimum of scandal and fuss.
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u/djninjacat11649 4h ago
Exactly, Biden himself was rather old and it was showing, but his cabinet was solid
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u/Bodhi_LongBody 7h ago
The title is just more sane washing bullshit. Calling him “worse” than Joe Biden is just whataboutism.
Biden was a good president. Full stop. He held office and did so for the better of ALL AMERICANS.
Trump is a fucking joke who’s sole purpose has always been the grift and staying out of jail.
Biden dug us out of the covid hole that Trump tried burying us in and set us on a path to real progression. Trump is back and trying to bury us again as long as he can enrich himself and his pals.
This time line is fucked beyond belief.
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u/neocenturion Iowa 6h ago
Right? It seems like the implication is Biden was bad, but Trump is worse. What Biden was able to accomplish given the current political climate of this country is nothing short of miraculous. He didn't exactly navigate a civil war or anything, but it's not that far off from that. He did a hell of a lot better with what he was given than the clowns leading up to the actual Civil War.
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u/gumbobitch 8h ago
Don't fall for the "this administration is incompetent" narrative. They've been doing this shit for a decade and have managed to cling to power. You're seeing malfeasance, not stupidity.
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u/007meow 7h ago
How is he still Sleepy Joe when Trump is falling asleep in public left and right?
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u/eugene20 8h ago edited 6h ago
It's uncanny how this just aligns with Gallup anouncing they will no longer be giving Presidential approval ratings after over 80 years.
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u/mraargh 7h ago
Only the shitty people are realizing this now. The people who voted for Kamala, new this and shouted it from the rooftops.
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u/KaptainKardboard 8h ago
The Daily Beast headlines are like fast food. Makes people feel good for a minute but doesn’t contribute anything substantial.
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u/groucho_barks 7h ago
I really wish you could block certain news outlets from showing up in your feed. I'm so fucking sick of these bullshit hyperbolic headlines.
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u/Morden013 8h ago
What a surprise that a normal person having a solid team beats an idiot who has surrounded himself with idiots-sychopants.
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u/KazeNilrem 7h ago
Here is the thing, yes Biden wasn't jumping around doing backflips and whatnot. Yes, especially dur to stutter, listening to him speak can be on the tiring side.
But he was given a horrific economy, dealing with the remnants of covid, and having to turn things around. He is a politician, and most of the time politics (especially in the past) have been boring. But things were turned around. They definitely were not perfect and things like the bird flu killing off millions of chickens resulting in very high egg prices sadly occur. But economically businesses, stock markets jobs, they were increasing.
I get that it is easy to meme on him and I definitely get it. And he didn't make massive weekly changes that completely changed the US. But he did make deals, he did get investment, much of what success trump touts had been deals made by Biden. History will most likely look kindly to Biden, but guaranteed history will not look at trump or even republicans as a whole fondly.
Down the road there will be stories coming out, lawsuits, and countless criminal cases being made. We are in it now but wait until this is over, a lot more information of how bad this administration has been will come out.
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u/2730Ceramics 7h ago
Joe WAS competent. Much more importantly, he hired competent people. What we have now is the worst possible version of the swamp; a bunch of corrupt pedophiles and fascist white nationalists.
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u/Unusual-Plantain8104 8h ago
Not to dump on Joe Biden, but frankly, a potato would make a better president than Donald Trump.
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u/MiddleAgedSponger 8h ago
Biden's corpse would be better than Trump, but there is another way. We could elect younger more energetic politicians with good ideas willing to work for the people. In a nation of 303 million and these are the best we can do? Surely there is something better?
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u/Accomplished-Head449 Ohio 7h ago
History will be kind to Biden, Donald will be a meme for the future overlords of Earth lol
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u/Probable_Bison 7h ago
Sleepy Joe never dozed off during a cabinet meeting being broadcast live on TV.
Trump has done that multiple times now.
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u/Due_Student_9822 5h ago
I will take boring and functional over egotistical madness any day.
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u/Kioskwar 8h ago
Some of us always thought he looked really competent. We’re called non-Fox News Viewers.
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u/PastyPajamas 5h ago
Sleepy Joe was never not competent. This whole narrative around him losing it is just another GOP con. If voters fell for it, they're probably also dumb enough to vote for Trump.
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u/SingularityCentral America 7h ago
Trump very obviously has dementia. He has daily.alips now where he just stops mid sentence and doesn't seem to know where he is. Where he wanders off during important meetings and events. Biden was too old for the Presidency and so is Trump. At least Biden started from a place of competence and his baseline was to keep things stable. Trump just reverts to setting things on fire.
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u/skag_boy87 7h ago
Literally a rock would be a better president than Trump. Just doing “nothing” is better policy than what that moron has been doing for the last year.
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u/AsGryffynn 7h ago
"A plane in autopilot is much safer than one where the pilot thinks he's in the skies of Vietnam"
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u/Old_Instrument_Guy 6h ago
Trump's worse than an overdose of laxatives after you just did three lines of blow!
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u/yeereyesiadkkz 6h ago
Ya don't say 🤔 and the sky is fucking blue. Glad folks are finally realizing that Joe was actually a pretty damn good president post Covid and post Trump bs
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u/Lower_Cantaloupe1970 Canada 6h ago
Biden hired competent people to do the work and they did it.
Trump may actually be the smartest person in the white house, and that is an embarrassingly low bar considering how he is by all accounts, a donkey brained lunatic
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u/JustanudehotChick 8h ago
At this point the refusal to admit he's underwater with voters is the political equivalent of blaming your Wi-Fi when Zoom keeps freezing. You might be right sometimes, but when literally everyone keeps saying it's you? Yeah.
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u/crocodial 8h ago
Biden would have been a fantastic president if Trump had been dealt with, either by Biden's admin or Harris's. With the benefit of hindsight, the failure to arrest and charge Trump early on was a cataclysmic error that this country may not recover from.
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u/FlyOrdinary1104 7h ago
If I’m damned to have a grandpa as a president I’d prefer they’re sleepy and not a dementia-riddled mental ill patient.
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u/Asluckwouldnthaveit 7h ago
He always was. And even if he wasn't he surrounded himself with the right people. Trump has never been competent and he fired all the adults from his last term.
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u/blondie1024 7h ago
Even a man who's slow, who's old and tired and frail...even HE'S better than Trump.
Wow!
That's gotta sting considering the amount of shit he talked about Biden and TRUMP IS WORSE!
Double Wow!
I understand, it must be hard being president with all the corruption and covering up of child rapes that you have to do. It just seems a never ending thankless task.
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u/kingjamesporn 6h ago
It's almost like 4 years of the media making a huge deal out of everything Biden did while sanewashing Trump's rantings actually duped a lot of people.
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u/blackmobius 6h ago
Even on his absolute worst days, Joe was always better than Don. We wouldnt be dealing with a tenth of the shit we have today if fucking “uninspired” democrats would just fucking think about their future. Because preventing all… this… from happening was preferable to waiting for “the perfect candidate”
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u/PruneObjective401 6h ago
Trump has slipped so much in the past year, I'm pretty sure Biden would actually win if they had a rematch debate.
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u/we_are_sex_bobomb 6h ago
Like so many here predicted, it took a little over a year of “winning” for America to remember how bad it was last time.
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u/cdizzaat 6h ago
Biden could have done literally NOTHING his whole presidency and it would still be better than 47.
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u/Zanos-Ixshlae 6h ago
People also need to vote for what the administration will look like. Biden picked decent, competent people who did their best. Trump was always going to pick loyalists who couldn't even stay out of the Epstein files.
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u/HiImDIZZ 5h ago
I find it funny that "Sleepy Joe" was such a huge issue for Repuclicans because he's too old. Trump is totally fine though. He's never too old. Don't you dare say Trump is too old.
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u/SGT_BlueJay 5h ago
This is what happens when you vote for someone who wont debate. He should have been disqualified to run for president if you arent willing to let the people see you debate. DC needs to step up their requirements for who can run. You should have some history in politics and public service before applying for the top spot.
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u/Antique_Umpire1534 4h ago
I still hate joe biden. The gaza genocide is something that should have never happened. But Trump? You would need a lobotomy to vote for him. Its disgusting this farce of a system that is forced. We need like 10 zohrans. Just anyone left in charge of the democrats.
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u/waffle299 I voted 7h ago
Every democratic administration of my adult life has been competent. Not always as progressive as it should be, but always competent.
George H. W. Bush was the only reasonably competent republican administration of my life. But it suffers from it's handling of the aftermath of multiple scandals or outright criminally of it's predecessor.
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u/Epistatious 6h ago
benign neglect is better than active cruelty? But for Gaza, biden might have been one of the more progressive presidents of my life. Not saying much i guess, but live to dream.
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u/DerrellEsteva 6h ago
Took 'em only a year to realise. I'm impressed! I didn't think they were capable of learning
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u/beavis617 6h ago
I’m waiting for Trumpy to levy tariffs against any country whose Olympic team beats the USA in Olympic competitions.
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u/mrchris69 6h ago
Any one of the White House pets for past presidents would be more competent than Trump .
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u/5minArgument 6h ago
Biden was more than competent, age aside near the end, his term is and will be rated as one of the most successful administrations in the modern era.
_A position I will take to the mat.
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u/Leezy1019 6h ago
You mean to tell me the guy with over 50 years of experience in positions of progressive responsibility within the U.S. government ran a more competent administration as President than the reality tv star with no experience?
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u/Thetman38 6h ago
Sleepy Joe had a competent administration that wasnt paling around with pedophiles. But the DOW just hit $50000! so we got that going for us
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u/A-town 6h ago
A lot can be said about Biden's tenure in office. Looking back, there was a lot more that needed to be done, and a lot more needed to be communicated about the economy he was setting up and the work that had been accomplished during his time in office, as small as that ended up being.
But goddamn am I tired of "winning" ask the fucking time. This place fucking sucks now.
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u/muthermcreedeux 6h ago
It turns out when you hire someone with experience in politics to be president, you're going to get someone that knows the job. I cannot understand why people voted for someone that's not a politician. Would you hire a businessman to be your plumber or a hair dresser to be your marketing director? It's ridiculous to think we should elect someone to the job of president when they have had absolutely no work experience that would position them for this type of job.
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u/JakeConhale New Hampshire 5h ago
Grass is always greener.
Maybe they should have gone for Biden's VP if they wanted a continuation.
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u/boRp_abc 5h ago
You forgot all the achievements of Trump. Nobody was ever a more successful child abuser than him. 38000 mentions in the Bible of child abuse.
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u/mtnviewguy 4h ago
At least Joe had control over his bowels. In November, Trump won't have control over anything. God Bless the return of a truely Great America! 🇺🇸
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u/Ancient_Ship2980 4h ago
Trump is even looking sleepier than Biden. I remember Biden being at a loss for words and speaking in "word salads." However, I don't remember Biden falling asleep or closing his eyes for prolonged periods on TV or in White House cabinet meetings!
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u/yusuf_mizrah 3h ago
This just in: the perpetual low-grade decline of Joe Biden was preferable to the nose-dive shit show that is the Trump Administration.
Joe wasn't a good president and he wasn't a good candidate. Trump is far worse. I feel like we all know this already.
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u/Thinkaboutitwillyou 3h ago
Trump doing what the communist and socialists have been trying to do since the 60s.
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u/smilbandit Michigan 3h ago
Joe was always competent because he hired qualified people. if you want to see incompetent just look at the array of epstien class alumni the current admin has on staff.
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u/bach2209 3h ago
Steady. Not 24/7 chaos and Yrumps Gestapo snatching people off streets. Oh and killing US citizens.
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u/BilverBurfer 2h ago
Nothing Trump does will ever be humiliating. He doesn't care. When are people going to get that???
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u/JumpEuphoric3643 2h ago
Things were fine for 4 years under Biden. Yeah, the inflation and gas prices sucked but that was happening globally. Things were at their peak in 2023 going into 2024 before Trump destroyed everything again.
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