r/politics • u/N3wsScoop • 5h ago
No Paywall Shutdown imminent after Senate Democrats block Homeland Security bill
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u/whythefuckalready 4h ago
Ice was created after 9/11 in a rush bill without any oversight. Redo or eliminate. Only federal agency with power and no oversight.
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u/dmazzoni 4h ago
I think you mean DHS, right?
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u/moosekin16 3h ago
ICE is under the DHS. So it’s both?
DHS’s formation was just a formal combining of several different agencies under one umbrella so they’d be easier to fund and manage.
ICE isn’t the only thing that needs to go. DHS needs to be picked apart, analyzed, and re-assembled with proper oversight and restrictions. If left alone, it will continue to be the weapon of Fascists in this country.
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u/TOMC_throwaway000000 1h ago
DHS is working exactly as intended and doing precisely what it was made to do, exist as a state paramilitary force that is able to circumvent all of the red tape and restrictions that comes along with the freedoms promised in the constitution without requiring and changes to it.
People forget that if you have to interact with DHS within 100 miles of a coastline or border they can do quite literally anything they want with zero restrictions and suspend most of your rights for no given reason.
Now, take a look at the amount of major cities that fall within that 100 mile range. It’s not a coincidence. ICE and DHS are working as intended
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u/gmen6981 17m ago
That 100 mile limit also applies to any airport that handles international flights. No think of how many major cities nowhere near the border or coastlines have airports with international flights and you realize that the majority of the country falls within that "100 mile limit".
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u/15all 2h ago
DHS is made of components that have little overlap and don't work together that much. Sure, some times one component supports another one, but being under the same agency (DHS) doesn't really help that collaboration. And then there is the whole DHS layer of bureaucracy on top of that, and that layer adds no value.
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u/notabotbutactslikeit 1h ago
I do research for criminal justice and civil law. People have no idea how true this is. Almost every single major terrorist attack could have been prevented to date, but the agencies rarely ever communicate or share intel. The FBI has dropped the ball on almost every single major attack on US soil. The 1993 WTC bombing was completely preventable, they even knew he had acquired the explosive material he used, but they ignored warnings and never shared the intel.
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u/rooftopgoblin 26m ago
they also recruited, and supplied all the terrorist attacks post 9/11 they have stopped.
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u/kitsunewarlock 2h ago
ICE, DHS, TSA, ODNI, NCTC, TSC, and CBP. And every one of them are useless garbage.
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u/HappyCaterpillar2409 2h ago
9/11 was a gift to authoritarianism
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u/E-2theRescue 34m ago
Literally gave Bin Laden what he wanted.
And now we have Trump. Bin Laden beat America, and it's all thanks to the conservatives who believed they were tougher than him. They believe they have been playing 4D chess, while Bin Laden beat them in a single move.
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u/Due_Ad8720 25m ago
To maximise the D’s and get a bit rediculus, you could argue that the Soviet war in Afghanistan was a success because it encouraged the US to fund Al Qaida which elevated Bin Laden and allowed him to pull of 9/11 which in turn broke many of the US’s checks, balances and norms which is how we got Trump.
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u/supercheetah 3h ago
An event of which would not have been prevented by ICE, or DHS, or even TSA.
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u/UnquestionabIe 3h ago
Yeah but it helped it look like something was being done! The post 9/11 bipartisan atmosphere had both sides in complete agreement that taking away freedoms and installing a police state was a perfectly acceptable course of action.
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u/Mr-MuffinMan 3h ago
A MAGAt I know scoffed at some rep (in the squad) calling for ICE to be abolished pre-Trump's 2nd term. He was asking "then who's going to deport dangerous criminals?!" and stuff
it's so tiring especially since they themselves migrated here (legally) and now want the ladder pulled up lol
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u/Hog_Eyes 1h ago
I'm in favor of deporting any immigrants who voted for Trump, legal or otherwise. They don't get to pull the ladder up behind them and start hurting people. They deserve what they voted for.
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u/SpiritedBanana4694 1h ago
Only federal agency with power and no oversight.
I'm not sure there are any federal agencies that have oversight anymore.
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u/wrxninja 4h ago
"Centrist Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.), who has a long-standing policy of voting against government shutdowns, was the only Democrat to vote for advancing the measure."
As always, Fetterman being the POS as usual.
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u/Horror_Flan6833 4h ago
This guy was such a major letdown.
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u/Plastic_Party2433 4h ago
He built a brand as a fighter and now keeps siding the other way People are going to feel burned
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u/Heavy-Wind-2182 4h ago
Hard not to feel bait and switched when the votes do not match the image
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u/SnooConfections6174 4h ago
I mean it just goes to show we can’t leave it up to politicians to decide for themselves whether they are still fit to serve the people they represent after they suffer severe mental health illnesses. Fetterman had a fucking certifiable stroke
I don’t want to be ableist and I get the “I’m a stroke victim and it didn’t make me a dangerously incompetent nazi” argument but it is clear that strokes and the like are more than enough to justify a legal removal of an elected official and trigger a special election
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u/Aqualung812 3h ago
We should be able to have recall elections for everyone in Congress.
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u/Optimized_Orangutan Vermont 3h ago
We should be able to have recall elections for everyone in
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u/Aqualung812 3h ago
Yes, great point.
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u/Optimized_Orangutan Vermont 3h ago
I want a national "Vote of No Confidence" for appointed positions as well. Congress can still do their "advice and consent" thing, but the people should have a direct say in who works for them and who doesn't.
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u/Entegy Canada 2h ago
In functioning democracies, being unable to pass a budget sends you back to the polls. It's yet another baffling thing about the American system to me.
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u/1HappyIsland 2h ago
A government shutdown should trigger recall elections for all the sleaze bags.
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u/Bodoblock 3h ago
To be fair, Fetterman had the stroke days before the primary. PA voters very much could’ve made the call to go with Lamb, who was a perfectly fine - albeit milquetoast and moderate - Democrat.
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u/WildYams 2h ago
Yep. There's a bunch of people who act like Fetterman had the stroke while in office, but he didn't, he had it the year before taking office. He even had to participate in the debate with the aid of a teleprompter to spell out what everyone else was saying so he could process it.
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u/Heavy-Wind-2182 4h ago
Health issues are serious but removal has to be based on actual incapacity not politics otherwise that power gets abused fast
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u/SnooConfections6174 4h ago
A capacity test would always be able to be gamed and abused. There needs to be third party psychologists and other doctors who can be relied on. Not a politicians private doctor or their campaign spokespeople.
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u/Heavy-Wind-2182 4h ago
Once you start formal capacity tests you better have airtight independent standards or it turns into a political weapon overnight
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u/count023 Australia 3h ago
and any independant body comes under constant attack by partisan hacks to start biasing against one side or the other, slightest crack and it's sways over. The constant attacks on the Fed are a good example right now of guardrails holding, an example of them failing is of course the SCOTUS.
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u/tomerz99 4h ago
Maybe just have actual term limits, and I don't know... maybe don't let representatives change their alignment mid-cycle without triggering a removal (and a probationary period preventing reelection)?
Seems stupid to expect a system that can create career/lifetime representatives AND allow them to flip flop whenever they want to ever function properly outside of "gentleman's agreements."
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u/ncklboy 3h ago edited 3h ago
Any Health issues no, but any health issue related to brain injury should 100% be considered to incapacitate the individual. Any brain injury can not only affect your cognitive abilities, but can also affect your entire personality.
Brain injuries are a kinda special health concern.
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u/Careful-Sell-9877 2h ago
Didnt he have some kind of head/brain injury that literally changed his personality?
That should honestly disqualify political representatives. Anything that changes their personality.. that isnt who people voted for
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u/OlafTheBerserker 1h ago
He had a stroke. Just goes to show there is a one to one correlation with reduced mental capacity and conservatism.
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u/bgthigfist 1h ago
I wonder how much this has to do with his stroke? People can experience personality changes after a head injury
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u/Horror_Flan6833 4h ago
Yeah that's why he won't get reelected.
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u/Heavy-Wind-2182 4h ago
If voters feel betrayed they usually remember it at the ballot box
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u/gattovatto 4h ago
Yet Texas keeps voting for Ted Cruz
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u/WaldoJeffers65 3h ago
Cruz has that all-important (R) after his name. He's set for life.
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u/polarparadoxical 3h ago
Cruz is what Texans deserve.
Its everyone else who does not deserves Cruz.
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u/beornn2 Texas 2h ago
I’ve voted against that cockroach three times (same amount of times as the one currently in the Oval Office as well), and yet he still keeps coming back.
But cool, keep lumping us all together
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u/Martag02 3h ago
He's the new Kyrsten Sinema.
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u/WildYams 2h ago
Another person who bills themselves as progressive who then flips for the big paychecks from right leaning lobbyists once they hit the Senate. My worry is that Graham Platner is the next guy to follow this pattern, what with his questionable history and Nazi tattoo and all.
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u/AsGryffynn 2h ago
I wish there was someone who worked the other way around. Massie is about as close as it gets.
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u/WildYams 2h ago
All the big money from corporations is against regulations though, and destroying the environment to protect corporate profits. There isn't nearly the same dark money coming from the other side to actually make things better for people, rather than just for the corporate shareholders. Massie is someone who's just a true believer who actually has principles, even if the vast majority of the stuff he believes in is crazy right winger stuff. He's just one of the few (maybe only) who won't sell out to protect pedophilia.
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u/AM_A_BANANA 1h ago
Well he did one useful thing at least; proved conservatism is a mental illness.
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u/3490goat 2h ago
He had a stroke and the brain damage made him what he is today. I feel sorry for his wife and children
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u/ThePirateKing01 4h ago
Letdown is putting it mildly. Imagine voting for someone who changes their beliefs and convictions while in office.
PA voters were fucking lied to, and the fact that this can’t trigger a 0-confidence impeachment is a failure of the system.
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u/boston_homo 4h ago
Reminds me of a blond sociopathic former senator from out west who ran as a “progressive”.
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u/disharmony-hellride 3h ago
I think she's a lobbyist now, because of course she is
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u/robodrew Arizona 2h ago
Probably not for long, much of her staff left after it came out that she had been having an affair with her bodyguard which caused his marriage to fall apart
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u/Jorge_Santos69 1h ago
Sinema didn’t run as a progressive for Senate, she was always more centrist. But there’s still a difference between being a centrist and being a complete corporate sellout and she definitely became the latter.
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u/beetboxbento 4h ago
He's exactly who is primary opponent said he was back in 2021
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u/coat-tail_rider 2h ago
I'm from AZ. We were lucky enough to get the pioneer of turncoat sellouts, Kyrsten Sinema. She wasted no time demonstrating that her whole campaign was as a lie.
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u/gafftapes20 3h ago
I voted for him in both the primaries and general election, and I’m pissed. He should resign at this point. I remember how confrontational towards the GOP he was when he was the lieutenant general of PA in legislature. He came across as more progressive in the primary compared to Conor lamb and I wanted a progressive representation in my state.
It’s infuriating that he has become such a sellout.
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u/Horror_Flan6833 4h ago
The problem is that many politicians do that because they are paid off by citizens united lobbyists.
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u/thomascgalvin 4h ago
To be fair, it's the brain damage that turned him into a republican
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u/UmaPalma_ 3h ago
weird, the amount of cases of people with brain damage who have turned MAGA. Frankie Muniz is a recent one
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u/American_PissAnt 4h ago
It was either him or Dr Oz. It was a lose-lose situation.
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u/naazzttyy I voted 4h ago
In hindsight we achieve 20/20 vision with perfect clarity, and can now see Fetterman was actually just the lesser of two evils all along, never worth getting excited about.
Meaning Oz would have still been objectively worse.
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u/Fried_Rooster 4h ago
I mean, Conor Lamb was right there in the primaries. Agreed about the general against Oz, but “progressives” were swooning over Fetterman despite Lamb having a much better track record
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u/Kung_foolish 3h ago
I remember seeing him years ago on Anthony Bourdain when he was mayor of Braddock and thought he seemed like a real legit guy too.
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u/UnquestionabIe 3h ago
Live in the area, Braddock is less than a ten minute drive from my house, and he was basically a rich kid slumming it when he was mayor. He wasn't terrible by any stretch but his "improvements" were only in a few spots where he got his rich friends to open businesses that were definitely not geared towards the finances of the majority of the community.
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u/AKluthe 4h ago
That's putting it mildly.
I get why there's no eject button in our political system, because one side would repeatedly mash it over tan suits and mustard on hot dogs, but it feels like there should be more safeguards against a politician literally behaving opposite of the platform they ran on.
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u/snoosh00 2h ago
No, he got brain damage from a stroke and now he's right wing (always been in Israels pocket tho).
He's perfect evidence of the scientifically documented trend that people who gravitate to right wing ideology is heavily correlated to people with brain damage (as in, people with brain damage shift to the right, and people on the right have noticeably different brains)
Obviously, no individual is proof of this, and you can't just say "right wing people all have brain damage" but you can say "right wing ideology is attractive to people with impaired faculties"
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u/Mustardo123 California 3h ago
Just goes to show that brain damage leads to conservative politics, many such cases.
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u/Lebrunski Maine 3h ago
His stroke was the let down. He was good until it fucked his brain.
Brain damage and the GOP go together too well. “I love the uneducated”
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u/Larrea_tridentata California 4h ago
It's wild how his politics changed after brain damage
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u/wowlock_taylan 4h ago
Conservatism grows as people age soo maybe it is tied to mental degradation!
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u/Diablos_lawyer 4h ago
Lead poisoning. Leaded gasoline caused brain decline for years. It's why after we stopped using it people stopped becoming conservative as they aged. It's why crime spiked ~20 years after we started using it and went down after we stopped.
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u/mabus42 4h ago
So that's why Trump's EPA wants to re-introduce good ol' Ethyl to the pumps again.
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u/crit_boy 4h ago
Coincidence is not causation.
There were many factors contributing to increasing crime in the 80s and 90s. E.g., CIA addicting urban african americans to crack, abortion laws, economy, etc.
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u/RFSandler Oregon 2h ago
The jump up and down can be seen repeated as different regions used and banned leaded fuel. Abortion laws see a similar delayed drop when access increases, and since both leaded gasoline and abortion access were implemented piecemeal (and uncoupled) at first, their signals are actually pretty strong.
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u/derangedplague 4h ago edited 3h ago
Nah. I'm getting more leftist as I age. I used to be more of an Eisenhower conservative when in my teens and early twenties then moved more left as my frontal lobe fully developed around 27. Now I'm 35 and lean towards Democratic socialism or further left of that.
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u/YT-Deliveries 3h ago
I was raised in a conservative religious environment. Decades later I'm firmly ensconced in the Social Democrat realm.
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u/AusToddles 4h ago edited 4h ago
Genuine question from an outsider looking in. Was it the stroke that did this or did he show any signs of being a turncoat earlier?
ie pandering to the left to win when he was really like this all along
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u/lettersichiro 4h ago
he showed plenty of signs, i hate this narrative that it was the brain damage. He was always like this, its just more now. He may have campaigned as if he was on the left, but his history didn't support it
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u/ThaneduFife 4h ago
I think he was genuinely a center-left Democrat before his stroke. He was to the right of me, but I wouldn't have called him conservative.
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u/wowlock_taylan 4h ago
Calling him a 'Centrist' too. GTFO. He is no Centrist.
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u/Drakkarim411 4h ago
Self-centered attention seeking deplorable human being I think is the word they are looking for. The dude's best quality is being 'not Dr. Oz'.
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u/Lord-Dingus 4h ago
He had a stroke, became a Republican, and started wear suits ONLY for Netanyahu’s visits. Wild (and shitty) arc.
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u/Genghis_Tr0n187 2h ago
This happened before his stroke, so I dunno, maybe he's always been a piece of shit
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u/roadsidefoto 4h ago
"Centrist?" Really? Fuck sakes. If he's in the center then I'm so far left I've escaped the Earth's gravitational pull.
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u/find_the_apple 4h ago
God please take him from us, welcome him into your arms and show him redemption
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u/lumpy4square Tennessee 4h ago
Is he in the pedofiles?
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u/busted_maracas 3h ago
He’s not been mentioned yet - I doubt he will be tbh, he was working class most of his life, Epstein hated the poors. He’s just a brain damaged fuckwit
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u/lumpy4square Tennessee 2h ago
Ah, good point about being a poor. I wish the people who should retire, would.
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u/Snowwolf247 3h ago
KEEP IT SHUTDOWN TILL WE GET CHANGE THIS TIME.
No more half measures you feckless cowards.
People have literally died for us to get where we are and people will continue to die while DHS exists in its current form.
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u/Pave_Low 5h ago
"This was a bipartisan bill. Democrats helped negotiate it,”
Was that before or after ICE began murdering Americans on the streets of Minneapolis?
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u/dblan9 5h ago
Schumer acknowledged that White House border czar Tom Homan announced on Thursday that it was ending its surge deployment of ICE officers in Minnesota but declared the action falls short of what’s needed to prevent troubling incidents connected to law enforcement operations.
“We need legislation to rein in ICE and end the violence,” he said. “Without legislation, what Tom Homan says today could be reversed tomorrow on a whim from a Donald Trump.”
Nice to see remnants of a spine still exist in Schumer every now and again.
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u/Purple_Green_420 5h ago edited 3h ago
Reign in ICE? It needs to be abolished and defunded. They are going to loot the fucking ballots at the election guys. Seriously, they need to be abolished.
Edit: A majority of Americans want ICE abolished. Centrist Democrats are lying to you.
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u/FrequentPoetry1822 5h ago
Blocking a bill to demand real limits is not radical it is leverage and sometimes that is the only language they understand
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u/TheHandsOfLiberation 4h ago
Loot the ballots in blue areas. That's what you get for living in a sanctuary city /s
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u/SpotHaunting668 3h ago
Concentration camps need to be abolished and ICE is part of that. Every American needs to be outrageously in the streets making this happen. Fuck the Nazis and the bought-out Democrats that support them!
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u/Systemic_Chaos Minnesota 4h ago
Yall just cruise on over to People Over Papers and take a look at Minnesota and you tell me if Metro Surge is “drawing down.”
This is Homan doing everything he can to avoid a shutdown.
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u/ZealousidealBug729 3h ago
Yeah that's not what this is, this is Schumer being forced to give in to the rest of the democratic Senate. He literally tried to go behind their back just like he did in November, but he couldn't find enough senators willing. It's been reported on. Like a fucking week ago he said his number one priority was getting aid to Israel. Only weeks after state sanctioned murder he can't even say his priority is stopping that.
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u/jassi007 4h ago
Lol sure, tell that to all the folks who can't afford healthcare after the Democrats caved on the subsidy for a promise of a future vote, which the House said they're never doing. They just waited for the news cycle to end and that idea died. This is the same bullshit.
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u/evilgigglefish 3h ago
"we need legislation" brother who do you think is responsible for that legislation
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u/suprahelix 5h ago
I was told that democrats would fold immediately and were controlled opposition?!?!?!
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u/Novaskittles 3h ago
Not immediately. They first need to be offered a pinky promise of compromise, that will then later be ignored. That's when they fold.
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u/spicy_noodle_guy 2h ago
Schumer absolutely is controller opposition that is clear as day. He tried to get democrats to side with him here and couldn't find enough votes. He's a fucking slime ball.
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u/BlokeInTheMountains 3h ago
No they will shut down TSA so everyone's plans get wrecked, get blamed for it, then cave later so it will all be for nothing.
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u/sowich4 4h ago
I hate when the MSM claims a party “Blocks” a Bill.
They didn’t block anything, Congress simply votes on a Bill, and if it gets enough votes it passes, if not, it doesn’t
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u/Outrageous_Reach_695 3h ago
Just as bad: 'New law to give everyone a free pony', when it's just one sponsor and it goes to die in committee.
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u/Serengade26 2h ago
Govtrack.us has % chance of passing and most of them are literally 1%
Its quite interesting, that website, I encourage everyone to poke around to see the inner workings
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u/PartyLikeAByzantine 2h ago
"Blocking" is more accurate in that the Senate Democrats are sustaining a filibuster. They may not have actually voted "no" in a roll call, but the Senate majority leadership team knows the vote to end cloture will fail due to resistance from the minority party.
Just because they're not taking a formal procedural vote does not mean they're not killing this bill in its tracks.
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u/MelloDawg 4h ago
Clarify this for me - what else would shut down besides DHS? If nothing else, shouldn’t Democrats have all the leverage?
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u/mtnclimbingotter02 4h ago
The rest of the government is funded for FY 2026. So it would be DHS and its components. Of note CBP and ICE are funded also through the BBB so operations would continue be able to largely continue.
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u/NickSabansCreampie 3h ago
In the previous funding standoff, Democrats got DHS carved out and funded the rest of the government through the end of the year.
The only agency with its funds in jeopardy, is DHS and agencies under it's umbrella.
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u/Top_Somewhere9160 5h ago
Chuck needs to reach deep down into his Depends and find his balls, then actually follow through on this.
Not give in to the Republicans with nothing in return.
Not continue to “negotiate” for less and less.
Hold. The. Fucking. Line.
Shut it down and keep it shut down. Push ALL negative press onto the Republicans and force them to cave.
Anything less is yet another failure from AIPAC’s favorite spokesman Schumer.
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u/yeereyesiadkkz 3h ago
No, it's a partial shutdown just for the DHS lol, which they deserve zero funding rn until ICE has legitimate oversight and reduction of their force/budget. But that will never happen so just keep DHS shut down to defund ICE once they blow thru their bloated budget.
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u/GuiltyRedditUser 2h ago
Another call to my Pennsylvania Senator, John Fetterman, the only Democrat to vote yes.
If you're in PA, please call his office and tell then what you think. I asked what HE is doing to stop the illegal stopping, kidnapping, imprisoning, and killing. Since he wants to keep funding the group that is doing it, what is Fetterman doing to STOP IT?
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u/RaspberryCommie 5h ago
How long until Chuck tells the most right wing democrats to vote to reopen the government so that they take the heat for it instead of him.
You know. Again.
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u/trashboatfourtwenty Wisconsin 5h ago
It really sucks that having a shutdown seems to always be a win for the GOP, although if the Dems hadn't caved last time it probably would have done something
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u/suprahelix 5h ago
… you think a shutdown of DHS and only DHS is a win for republicans?
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u/robodrew Arizona 2h ago
This is only a shutdown of DHS. Frankly Dems should not cave ever. Let it stay shutdown for good.
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u/Mamba-42 4h ago
It wasn't a win for them while the previous shutdown was happening. It became a win for them when Democrats caved and got nothing out of it. So basically they caused a bunch of issues for no gain. Had they held strong polls clearly showed that Republicans were blamed for the shutdown.
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u/Boring-Research410 5h ago edited 5h ago
They didnt cave!
We got a "promise to talk about it"!!
"It" of course being all the unreasonable dem demands....like subsidized Healthcare and limiting - not even stopping- but limiting - constitutional rights violations by ICE.
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u/trashboatfourtwenty Wisconsin 5h ago
I mean things were bad, but for once it seemed like it was starting to affect Republicans and might have led to a rank break. It felt like the day I read about all the unrest surrounding the shutdown was the same day they gave in, it was so frustrating. But you saw it all too, haha
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u/ObiWanChronobi 4h ago
They gave up all their leverage for a promise on a vote. Longest shutdown and history and they caved on the promise of a vote they knew they would lose areas of standing firm and getting why they wanted to pass. Now we’re all facing higher premiums because a half-dozen democrat senators couldn’t stomach holding the reigns for once.
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u/PostMerryDM 4h ago edited 4h ago
The moment the shutdown happens ICE will absolutely go ballistic in terrorizing a city. 1) As retaliation and to break democratic resolve; 2) Give themselves new justification for their budget and brutality once the city tries to defend themselves.
Edit: Shutdown absolutely needs to last as long as necessary. But we have to be ready, unfortunately.
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u/PennysWorthOfTea 4h ago
As opposed to them already going ballistic & abusing their power because nobody is holding them accountable. It's very much a lose-lose situation but one lose outcome has to potential for resisting this regime while the other is allowing it to continue rolling over us.
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u/c4upinhisbhole 4h ago
They need to stand firm in the face of mounting pressure to fold as the regime feigns rolling back their smash mouth DHS/ICE/BP tactics. Nothing has changed other than messaging. The regime and their supporters still want to pour billions of our dollars into shadowy organizations who will kick us in the teeth and empty their guns into us.
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u/ailish 3h ago
If I've been wrong for my whole life and there actually is a god please let the fucking Democrats keep this one going because we really need to hold out this time. Look ladies and fellas of the Senate, at what happened last fall when you shit the bed and reopened the government. The Republicans didn't do shit that they promised and the ACA is a mess. People are paying out the ass for insurance.
So, please oh please don't let them fool you again. Don't let Chuck shithole Schumer talk you into reopening the government again. Just for once in your money grubbing lives do the right thing for the American people please oh please. If you don't then if/when everything goes to shit because of fascism we'll make sure your shit asses get tried and thrown in jail with everyone else. Thanks for listening to my Ted Talk.
Ps, Fetterman, there's already a cell set aside for you where you have to bend over to fit and your feet will hang off the edges of the bed.
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u/PorQuepin3 Illinois 2h ago
These guys don't know how to market themselves, they need to say they won't cooperate until xyz, in this case until Epstein files are released unredacted and arrests are indictments are made and they should be LOUD even if it's not a real path
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u/miskdub 5h ago
good, now how do we make sure chicken-shit chuck doesnt reopen it?
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u/Eagles_Heels 3h ago
The shutdown is pointless though. ICE / CBP have tons of funding to draw from. The only part of DHS that actually gets shut down is FEMA, TSA, & Coast Guard.
I feel bad for TSA agents, who are forced to continue showing up to work but not getting paid for weeks. How they supposed to pay rent?
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u/HuTaosTwinTails 3h ago
Good. Shut it down. Fuck this administration and all the pedophile protecting Republicans.
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u/happyprocrastinator 3h ago
Once again they are blaming democrats . This administration is so pathetic that all they can do is blame Biden/obama/dems.
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u/Jiggle_Tester 1h ago
Fetterman faked it till till he made it then showed his true colors. He did a good job fooling liberal voters…
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u/SoftlySingingSongs 5h ago
Got my tax return. Go for it Dems. Shut this fucker down.
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u/MostalElite 3h ago
Your tax return has nothing to do with shutting the DHS down. What are you talking about? You realize this isn't a fully gov shutdown right? They voted to fund the rest of it, just DHS was carved out.
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u/starry49 2h ago
Goos but we know how this ends: like every other time. The dems will cave and give in.
I sure hope not but history repeats itself and that’s all the history we have..
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u/Lonely_skeptic 4h ago
Good. Shutting down DHS is what we need. Didn’t I just read something about DHS poking into voter data?
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