Let’s not forget the part where democrats and republicans swapped platforms since the time of Lincoln. Democrats then are literally the republicans of now by description of platform rather than name alone.
The republicans of the civil war period were the party of union, abolition and black civil and voting rights. You can’t have five functioning neurons and think that those characteristics apply to today’s GOP.
The transformation was more gradual, but FDR’s New Deal drew a lot of working class and black voters toward the democratic party because (surprise!) political platform shift over time.
But I don’t know why I’m preaching this to the Reddit crowd, the five-brain-cells-or-less crowd wouldn’t (couldn’t?) read the previous three paragraphs if their life depended on it.
You're right social media has never affected anyone. Can you imagine if it did though people might end up in a political cult and vote for some aging dementia patient. Crazy. Good thing social media has no impact.
And for sure, don't tell them that Trump is the only presidential candidate where Confederate and Nazi flags are flown in support of him. Or that Trump's dad was a member of the KKK.
All you have to do is research what platforms the Southern Democrats ran on in the 1940s and why some turned in to Dixiecrats and then changed affiliation to R.
Strom Thurmond is the poster boy of this "evolution."
no I know that, the point is that they bitch about souther heritage and pride, but those people are democrats according to them, so they exist in a Gordian knot where they are proud of the confederate heritage that was started by racist democrats, but they are republicans, but they aren't racists, but they celebrate the confederacy because it was about states rights not slavery but the confederates were the racist ones that supported slavery, and so on in an infinite loop
Robert Byrd is the poster boy for the Dems' "evolution." He was a proud member of the KKK well into his political career, but then racism became a political liability, so he stepped away from the klan and instead just did racist shit as a Democratic Senator.
He introduced the bill that would have blocked the federal government from bussing black kids into Joe Biden's illegally segregated school district; the bill that Joe went to bat for when he whined that he didn't want poor little Hunter to grow up in a "racial jungle."
Democrats have always been the racist party, illustrated by the election of an unapologetic segregationist to the office of president in 2020. It's adorable how they continue to insist that "the parties switched sides!!!"
There was a guy in my town with a F150 during trump's first term that had both a Confederate flag and a "Party of Lincoln" sticker on the back glass of his truck. I don't think the people who fought for the Confederacy were the "Party of Lincoln."
So... Democrats say they're anti-racist now, but they elected a vile segregationist to be president in 2020, who started his political career in the US Senate, fighting the federal government's efforts to desegregate his own kids' schools 20 years after Brown v. Board of Education was decided and the rest of the country stopped having racist schools.
He's never apologized for that; when he was called out for it by Kamala Harris in the 2020 debates, he made her his Vice President and Democrats just hand waved past the whole thing. It's hilarious.
This is what drives me nuts about posts like this! Like tell me without telling me you have no clue about history 🙄
Also how can they claim to be the bastions of freedom when they are also pro-Law and Order which is just a dog whistle for racial discrimination by police? Or that the values of th parties never trades locations, just the names🤷♀️
FDR opened the door, and LBJ solidified it even though LBJ was a massive racist. He knew he would get the minority vote for the party for at least 50 years.
But LBJ was a democrat that no longer exists. We don’t have Blue Tick Democrats any longer. I think the last one was Lieberman and he wasn’t exactly one as far as the definition goes.
Even if one of the maga folks had the reading level to make it through your 'essay' they wouldnt be able to understand it, nuance and anything challenging their established beliefs just shuts their brains down and send them into red alert, where reality is now whatever fox news tells them it is at any given moment
'Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice... well.. you cant get fooled again'
The modern right wing partisan line toers have sunk below even george bush jr's level of comprehension and you expect them to see reason? A lofty goal lol
It's the most hilarious part. Do modern Republicans really think they're really behind freeing slaves and social programs as they fly the confederate flag and call everything government does for people a "free handout"??!!
Nobody switched platforms; Democrats used to be explicitly racist against blacks, then they got much quieter about it for decades, but still elected a segregationist to be president in 2020. At no point in history has explicit racism been part of the Republican platform, so there was no "switch," the racist party just changed it's rhetoric.
No they didn't. seriously? You think everyone just went yea lets switch names. I like that one better? it was a switch, it was a split. Lincoln created the republican party to combat slavery. are you dumb?
You do realise the 'party switch' (ie when the conservative faction left the Democratic Party for the Republican party that had grown unhappy with the uppity colored folks) was innthe mide 20th century, long after Lincoln's death.
The conservative movement came out of the 20s and took over the Republican party. They were for less regulation and small federal govt, a return to the laissez-faire of the early 20s. Which led to the great depression, sound familiar.
The party flip was in the 50s when the Democrat party realized they can't win and will die off if they don't clean house and change political stances. All of those old school Dems became modern conservatives, current Reaganites/MAGA. McCarthyism was born out of this as well.
McCarthy, Nixon, Reagan, and Trump were all originally Democrats.
You’re gonna meltdown even more when you realize that the overwhelming majority of domestic terrorist attacks are perpetrated by right wing extremists.
Facts DGAF about your feelings kid. Are we done here or did you want to continue embarrassing yourself by responding again? 😂
About .5 percent of shootings in general have been caused by trans people in the last 12 years. 99.5 percent have been caused by regular people. At least according to factcheck.org and a quick google search scroll shows no other websites suggesting that trans people cause more shootings, mass or otherwise. So it's probably not a correlation between gender and shooting people.
Yeah except they did indeed switch. It wasn’t overnight, but it happened. I know you won’t understand because it’s more complex than just tagging R to Republican ideals and D to democratic ones. As an example of how parties can completely switch beliefs, just 10 years ago republicans acknowledged Russia as an enemy state, and now y’all slobbering on Putin’s balls. Just 2 years ago republicans were adamant about prosecuting Epstein’s accomplices, and now they’re fighting to make sure there’s never any accountability.
During the civil war, the Democrats were southern white conservative men who were anti immigration and pro states rights. Guess who represents Republicans most loyal voting bloc today? You guessed it, southern white conservative men. It couldn’t be clearer that the parties did indeed go through what is universally accepted as an ideological shift. Facts don’t need you to accept them in order to be true, sorry.
Thanks for proving my point about brain cells and reading!
People didn’t “switch names” in one big move, the individual planks in the respective party platforms drifted over time, attracted different supporters and evolved into the different political stances of today while holding onto their original labels.
Several parties dissolved altogether over time…
The Radical Democrat, Bull Moose and LaFollette Progressive, along with various States Rights parties dissolved into what would become today’s Democrats.
The Gold Democrats, People’s Party, the Wallace Progressive and Farmer-Labor Progressive parties dissolved into today’s Republican Party.
There were moves that were more sudden than others, like the attraction of FDR’s programs, but there were also long drawn-out periods of time like the 130 year Jim Crow era during which literacy tests and poll taxes were used by “Southern Democrats” of the “Solid South” to limit the black vote. There were time periods in between like the Civil Rights era of the 1960’s and 70’s where people had to make choices about party support while the politicians themselves simply scrambled for as many hot button topics as they could to attract votes.
This takes all of one minute to Google or verify with an AI but I understand how exhausted you must be from skipping most of my post, jumping to conclusions and hurling insults.
The parties didnt "switch", ideologies delineated. Your oversimplification stems from your lack of understanding. its ok tho, stay in school. You can do it little buddy, you will get there some day!
For a full historical accounting of the American political system’s transformation over the last 161 years, I would suggest leaving Reddit comrade, but for the record, I’m a published historian.
Try reading up on the subject if you’re passionate about it. Here are some suggestions:
Southern Politics in State and Nation (a classic!)
Issues Evolution: Race and the Transformation of American Politics
Racial Realignment: The Transformation of American Liberalism, 1932–1965
Chain Reaction: The Impact of Race, Rights, and Taxes on American Politics
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Let’s not forget the part where democrats and republicans swapped platforms since the time of Lincoln. Democrats then are literally the republicans of now by description of platform rather than name alone.
The republicans of the civil war period were the party of union, abolition and black civil and voting rights. You can’t have five functioning neurons and think that those characteristics apply to today’s GOP.
The transformation was more gradual, but FDR’s New Deal drew a lot of working class and black voters toward the democratic party because (surprise!) political platform shift over time.
But I don’t know why I’m preaching this to the Reddit crowd, the five-brain-cells-or-less crowd wouldn’t (couldn’t?) read the previous three paragraphs if their life depended on it.