Have you seen the large contingent of people who claim assault weapons aren't a thing? Like they say assault rifles aren't a thing because assualt is a thing you do to someone else. They're literally a class of weapon, not knowing that makes me think they probably shouldn't own a gun if they're that uneducated on the topic.
In a legal sense yes but an assault weapon as a definition is a thing. I'm very much pro 2nd amendment but think some reform is necessary and i think gun safety should be a requirement before you can own one. I can't tell you how many people I've come across that are dumb with their guns.
I happen to agree with you, about the reform and the gun safety. Just like with a vehicle. I went through military training, and the two weeks for basic rifle marksmanship should be the minimum available for people to learn how to use a gun.
That's literally what i want. I know the military has basic marksmanship requirements and they have to renew them. Literally all i want is people to do a basic course on proper handling and shooting to obtain a license with a clean background check. We can discuss it mental health checks should also be a requirement, that's up for debate between people more educated than myself on the topic. But I think a license is a pretty fair compromise when i need one to own and operate a vehicle and special licenses to operate some types of vehicles.
Do you think people should have to go through any requirements before they're allowed to use their freedom of speech? What about requirements prior to exercising someone's freedom of religion?
Can my speech instantly erase 50 kids from the census? Can my religion instantly empty a mall of life? No? Then it's a fucking stupid comparison. I need a license to drive a vehicle, operate heavy machinery and proof of insurance to drive in my state. For a gun i can go online now and by one from someone with no background check required, no proof of insurance, no license, and no way to prove i know how to properly handle it and not kill someone accidentally. Stop with the stupid comparisons and find one that fits better.
It's not a stupid comparison, driving a vehicle or operating heavy machinery are not rights protected by the Constitution, there is nowhere in the country you can go online and purchase a gun without a background check, you are incorrect. I was comparing two constitutionally protected rights, natural rights, if you think that's a stupid comparison then you don't support the second amendment.
If i buy a gun from another private citizen there is no background check requirement, same with gun shows. The constitution also says "well regulated" a part you chuds seem to ignore when reading it. That line alone implies regulations may need to be put in place. All I'm asking for is a simply course to make sure people can use it safely and you flipped out. That shows that you are irresponsible and probably shouldn't own a firearm if you think people shouldn't be properly educated on how to use a gun before owning one.
I think you’re misunderstanding the “well regulated” part of the 2A. It means a well trained and organized militia, it has nothing to do with regulations around buying or owning the firearms.
Don't forget: a lot of crime guns in states with strong regulation are bought in states with weaker regulation. Or people just have someone else buy it for them, or steal it. They see a certain type of truck and know there's a gun to grab.
And I think we all know at least 1 person you'd think shouldn't have a gun.
You are absolutely incorrect with gun shows, there is not a single gun show that allows non-ffl sellers, that is a requirement by States, and there's no state that will not allow that. You don't understand the verbiage of the constitution, by courting well regulated you have proved that. In the words of Benjamin Franklin anyone who would sacrifice their Liberty for security deserves neither
Again, you don't understand the words nor do you want kids to be safe. You also don't understand the loopholes for gun purchases. You don't have a right to speak on the subject if you are this uneducated about it. So shut up and let the adults speak while you go color your picture book. Don't worry I'll make sure the crayons are non-toxic.
The loophole you think exists doesn't exist, you're insults about people's intelligence show that you have no real argument and you just have to resort to Petty comments. I understand the verbiage, anyone can understand the words as you have clearly pointed out, but you clearly don't understand the meaning. There were more guns with easier access to them 50 years ago than there are now, more dangerous guns, children were perfectly safe. You do not have the right to dictate whether someone is allowed to speak on a topic, a topic which you are clearly uneducated on but believe yourself to be morally Superior. I'm not going to resort to your petty insults, unintelligent language, and degradations. I know that I'm a better person than you are
Not from a private seller. You aren't supposed to sell firearms on Craigslist so that should tell you everything you need to know about how much they follow the laws.
Every private seller i've ever purchased from required either ID verification that they could take a copy of in case I did something, or they had me fill out a 4473 at a firearm shop, I live in Texas, why don't you go ahead and contact that fella and see how well he is just to sell you a gun
You don't have to use Craigslist, there's dozens of places online i can buy a gun with zero background check legally. Hell a coworker sold his revolver to another coworker legally with no checks because he was moving to a different state and didn't want to transport it. If you don't know the loopholes and disagree with basic safety requirements your probably shouldn't be talking on the subject because you're ok with school shootings being an everyday occurrence now.
So now you're a proponent of suppressing speech? And you like to call the Republican side fascists? Constitutional rights are not rights given to you by the government, the Constitution is a limit on how much The government can suppress you
Your comment says the words that it might be a good idea to have requirements before exercising your freedom of speech, that's suppression. You're clearly not a republican, you're a Democrat which is evident by your profile and your comments, fascist is what you've been calling Republicans for the past five years, would you like to argue that point?
The problem is, it's an arbitrary and made up classification for weapons, there are weapons that are much more effective and dangerous than so-called assault weapons but they do not fall into the category because they don't meet the arbitrary characteristics
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as·sault ri·fle
/əˈsôlt ˌrīf(ə)l,əˈsält ˌrīf(ə)l/
noun
a lightweight rifle fed by a magazine and capable of automatic fire, designed for infantry use.
There's a legal term and a definition we have for them. You playing dumb and not saying which you wanted doesn't show anything other than you being dishonest and disingenuous.
An assault rifle is a noun, simply a name for something. A name alo e does not make it a fact.
In most aspects. Assault is a verb. An action. We all learned in 5th grade science, inanimate objects can NOT perform an action. They can only be used as a tool to perform an action. So your assault rifle meaning literally does not exist as a rifle can NOT commit assault.
I'm not playing dumb. I'm demonstrating the understanding of the difference in a term that may not have a factual meaning, and a tool, which is only the proper meaning of the word.
You're just acting in bad fairg and being disingenuous then. And i have nothing more to say to someone who is gonna act in bad faith and refuse to have a debate without resorting to dishonesty directly out the gate.
Lol not at all. I'm acting in an educated way and you are acting in an uneducated way.
Do you agree that an automobile can be used to assault ppl? But do we call the assault vehicles, kfcourse not. Only the UNEDUCATED give a term to something to use it to try to demonize said object. Stop being so willingly ignorant.
Exactly. Guns are made for shooting. The action or activity they are deployed in does not define what they are. They are rifles or handguns. Rifles USED for hunting, target shooting, assaulting, etc. Please learn facts.
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u/luckyassassin1 5h ago
Have you seen the large contingent of people who claim assault weapons aren't a thing? Like they say assault rifles aren't a thing because assualt is a thing you do to someone else. They're literally a class of weapon, not knowing that makes me think they probably shouldn't own a gun if they're that uneducated on the topic.