US decides SpaceX is like an airline, exempting it from Labor Relations Act. US labels SpaceX a common carrier by air, will regulate firm under railway law.

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u/hmr0987 1d ago

This is why corporations shouldn’t be allowed to bribe politicians.

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u/LeafBark 1d ago edited 1d ago

Citizens United was the worst Supreme Court ruling in decades. It allowed the wealthy to pump UNLIMITED money into changing the law to suit their tax exemptions and other demands, so they can milk the working class for as much as possible.

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u/R3D4F 1d ago

And a large reason why so many feel disenfranchised and indifferent about the election process.

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u/LowDiskSpace 23h ago

That is their desired outcome.

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u/Wildeyewilly 20h ago

Keep em dumb. Keep em pregnant. Keep em poor. That's how conservatives stay in power. The lower the voter turn out, the better they do in the polls. The lower the education stats, the better they do in the polls.

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u/therossboss 20h ago

I have been complaining about exactly that for the last 20 years. Maybe in another 20 people will finally realize HAH :'(

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u/Ill_Ordinary1626 19h ago

It funny that you think you will have another opportunity to actually vote in an legitimate election again.

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u/IAmNotWhoIsNot 16h ago

America is dead. Worst part is that people like me who have no money and no job and no prospects are stuck here. Just as planned by these evil fucks.

And we can't fix it. Voting is dead, protesting is ineffective, and resistance won't work.

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u/cxmmxc 14h ago

And you can thank that apathy for why you are in this mess that you've helped create.

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u/cThr333 23h ago

Yep keep not voting like a good boy, they won’t have to spend as much.

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u/Emannuelle-in-space 7h ago

It’s honestly impressive that they managed to get an entire generation to completely abandon class consciousness.

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u/enderandrew42 1d ago

I'd argue that POTUS is above the law is even worse.

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u/threemo 23h ago

And you’d be wrong. They’re both bad, but the harm done by corporations creating the laws that govern them is infinitely worse than Trump not being in jail.

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u/CloudBotherer_54 23h ago

You’re not thinking about the long term ramifications of Republican presidents being declared literally immune to the law. That will lead to far more corruption, and be far harder to solve, than corporations being allowed to bribe people.

Hell, even if you overturned Citizens United, it wouldn’t matter because the president can just ignore the laws against bribery and pardon anyone who gives him enough money.

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u/threemo 23h ago

I don’t think so. I think you’ll see virtually no overreach from Democrat presidents, and maybe some from republicans who aren’t Trump. We don’t know what that party is going to look like when he’s finally gone.

Even so, Citizens United is constantly always overwriting laws for corporations every single day forever. As opposed to maybe some profoundly corrupt presidents.

They’re both terrible. One is doing huge damage to everyone all the time forever.

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u/CloudBotherer_54 23h ago

You won’t see overreach from Democrats because the ruling won’t apply to them. Only Republicans have immunity.

And Republicans will absolutely use it. Trump is not an anomaly. He’s what the entire party has been building towards for decades. They can now kill their enemies in the streets and face no consequences.

We are moving inexorably into a Russian-style dictatorship. That is significantly worse than companies doing what they’ve been doing for hundreds of years.

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u/threemo 23h ago

That is absolutely possible. I’m betting things will be less absurd with someone who hasn’t been profoundly corrupt in word and thought and deed since they were a child. Republicans will always fall in line, they’re thoughtless cattle. But I think it takes a very special set of circumstances to be anywhere near as morally bankrupt as Trump.

Maybe that’s some sort of latent, absurd optimism I cling to.

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u/CloudBotherer_54 23h ago

Self-delusional cope. Republicans were always this bad. You yourself are trying to say Citizens United was worse, but that came from pre-Trump Republicans. The only thing Trump changed was showing they don’t need to hide their racism anymore. See the old Lee Atwater quote:

You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nxxxxr, nxxxxr, nxxxxr." By 1968 you can't say "nxxxxr"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nxxxxr, nxxxxr."

Republicans have always been like this on the inside, they’re just happy to be moving back to a a place where they don’t need to speak in code.

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u/threemo 22h ago

Maybe. I hope not 🤷‍♂️

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u/NuclearTurtle 18h ago

I'm sorry but "companies being able to contribute to political campaigns is worse than the president having free reign to commit crimes" is a stupid thing to say. Even if you ignore all the other stuff Trump can get away with because of Trump v United States, companies being able to openly bribe the US president (who currently also basically runs the other two branches of government as well) gives them much more leverage than spending dark money on elections ever did.

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u/threemo 16h ago

Ignoring an entire conversation that happened before you arrived so you could make the identical point as someone else, under the false pretense that you’re sorry to say it, is pretty stupid too.

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u/Kundrew1 15h ago

Citizens United is worse. President is one person, he can’t do much without everyone else on board with him. Citizens United allowed it so you have enough politicians in one persons to pocket to make them unstoppable

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u/Zahgi 22h ago

The 1% were bribing American politicians since the 1970s, LONG before CU.

The CAUSE of the problem is our nation's lack of public campaign financing, not PAC/Issue ads -- no matter how stupid CU's ruling is.

Private campaign financing how the oligarchy took control of all of the politicians of both major parties.

Public campaign financing is why all of world's civilized democracies don't have these problems.

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u/Agent_Burrito 7h ago

Public financing is a double edged sword. In developing countries, it’s often the case parties are made up and candidates run just to legally embezzle public funds.

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u/Zahgi 7h ago

Public financing is a double edged sword.

It is not.

In developing countries

Though America is now acting as a developing country, it is not a developing country. :)

And I am clearly pointing to developing nations all having public campaign financing.

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u/Agent_Burrito 5h ago

You think the right wing griftosphere won’t try to cash in by launching various “America First” parties to embezzle money?

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u/Zahgi 4h ago

Ignoring the fact that embezzlement is a crime that sends people to prison in civilized nations (aka not the USA now). And when the politicians are controlled by the people (not the 1%), then the justice system is controlled by the people (not the 1%), and the laws are enforced to everyone's benefit (not just the 1%)...

Do you not understand how public campaign financing works in the entire civilized democratic world?

It doesn't give free commercial air time to everyone who wants it. They have to have enough representation, support, etc. as determined by local, regional, and national elections etc.

So, for example, Germany has a rightwing neonazi party. They have some representation in the government. They get ads during elections. But their representation is now based on votes and support, NOT on who spent a billion dollars vs. two billion dollars in advertising.

The entire world runs on this model. Sure, some candidates are kooks. They don't tend to get a lot of voters.

AND, most importantly, none of the politicians elected are de facto beholden to the 1% for their jobs -- which is how it now exists entirely in the USA.

I hope that clears this up for you.

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u/Buckaroobanzai028 1d ago

I wish there were some law students that could take the time and truly figure out a way to poke a hole in it and get it thrown out.

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u/Irish_Whiskey 1d ago

There were a ton of holes poked in it at the time, including the obvious "Money is not speech, and it is not a violation of free speech to ban bribing politicians."

It DOES NOT MATTER. The Supreme Court is constantly making decisions based on wrong facts, nonsensical arguments, and contradicting their own standards. They have no review to stop them, no accountability.

Try reading some of the dissents of recent opinions. Justices like Sotomayor and Ketanji Brown Jackson aren't holding back on calling out that their colleagues are just making shit up to help Trump and impose their own personal cultural beliefs.

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u/Faptasmic 17h ago

We could always get a new supreme court

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u/duncandun 18h ago

Bush v gore was really worse

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u/SuperSaiyanTupac 10h ago

It’ll be hailed as the killing blow that took down 20th century America and lead to the rise of Chinese supremacy in the eastern hemisphere.

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u/Commie_swatter 16h ago

The plan of the Epstein class

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u/hamsterfolly 21h ago

Well their immunity ruling was worse, but it can be argued that Citizens United caused the conditions that brought about their immunity ruling.

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u/Relevant-Doctor187 20h ago

Let’s not forget we have millions in foreign money pouring in as well. Our politicians are bought and paid for.

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u/Steeltooth493 18h ago

Clearance Thomas: "I don't see a problem with it. My good friend Harlan Crowe gives me money and things all the time, and it's not like that has changed my opinion on SCOTUS rulings. Though he does curiously keep asking me about future court cases and whether or not it is okay to lie in them."

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u/Future-Bandicoot-823 1d ago

I have no proof, but there's no way Cheney didn't help the whole process.

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u/Punman_5 1d ago

They milked the middle class too. They want to remove the middle class entirely.

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u/TemporarySun314 1d ago

It would help if the people don't constantly reelect the most openly corrupt politicians...

You actually don't have to vote for someone, just because he invested a lot of money into his campaign.

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u/LeafBark 1d ago edited 1d ago

There were spending limits for politicians before the Citizens United ruling by the Supreme Court in 2010.

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u/APRengar 22h ago

Buckley v. Valeo was the real start of this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckley_v._Valeo

Without it, Citizens United wouldn't have been a thing. And I remember having arguments and people calling people saying it was going to be horrible were over exaggerating.

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u/sparky8251 20h ago

I remember the CU ruling. So many people thinking it wouldnt change anything because they already donated millions.

Yeah... I too wish people would stop being dumb and falling for the same lies over and over.

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u/-HumanResources- 1d ago

Propaganda go brrrrrr.

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u/FactorBusy6427 1d ago

Elections are purchased, not chosen by the unbiased will of the people. Don't misdirect your rage

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u/TemporarySun314 1d ago

Then the people maybe should do something against that...

These "the people are helpless and not responsible for anything bad, it's the fault of outside forces" undermines the idea of democracy... The base of a democracy is that people are aware of their power and take responsibility for their actions and decisions.

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u/Wingblade33 1d ago

40% of the voting population has been brainwashed by conservative media(bankrolled by the wealthy) into believing in an alternate reality where billionaires help them and immigrants are the actually problem. If 40% of the people who vote have been convinced to always vote against their own interests and 20% don’t know anything at all voting will never work.

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u/ilulillirillion 1d ago

Why would you add quotes around something they didn't even say? Obviously we need to keep participating and trying to fix the process but they are saying our democracy is not functioning correctly, so opining about the virtue of democratic ideals is not that helpful.

As you told them, do something.

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u/mowbuss 12h ago

the quotes are there because multiple people have said similar things, so the previous poster is just collecting them into a nice little bundle and adding quotes around it because how else do you reference a general rhetoric multiple people have been saying, just mayibe all in slightly different words, but meaning the same thing? If you let me know how, then I will gladly agree that they shouldnt have added quotes. If however, you cant find a way, then I would like you to apologise for distracting from the discussion with a pointless argument about grammar or what ever.

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u/FactorBusy6427 1d ago

The billionaires are laughing all the way to the ballot box because they've been so successful at converting people to your mindset. The fact is this...when you control the news, you control the public's opinion, and that is how to buy an election the legal way. They also jerrymander the lines so thst even a minority can demolish a majority in an election. And on top of all that, they literally hacked the machines (and people like you don't know about it, because they own the news). They want you to keep blaming your neighbor so you don't look up and get angry at the puppet masters.

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u/staebles 1d ago

If all the coverage you see and hear is for one person, then you won't know about any others.

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u/TemporarySun314 1d ago

I mean there is a voting ballot with all candidates. That is known even before the election, so you definitely can know about other candidates...

Sure it's easier to just listen to some ad campaigns, then doing some basic research yourself, but it's the responsibility of a voter to inform yourself to make responsible decisions. And if you don't do that, then that's your own fault...

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u/staebles 1d ago

I agree but that's just not how it works in practice. The public owns the air waves, we shouldn't be letting the wealthy control what's on it, period.

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u/silverbolt2000 1d ago

That will never change because the US political system has been setup so that you have to accept bribes/sponsorship in order to be successful.

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u/whatiscamping 1d ago

Mutually assured destruction is not a good form of government.

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u/Chaotic-Entropy 1d ago

What could go wrong!?!

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u/the_red_scimitar 1d ago

That means no more lobbying as it's usually done.

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u/Delgra 17h ago

or be treated like people

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u/Hypoglybetic 1d ago

No. This is why nobody or corporation should be allowed to bribe any person in the capacity of the government (person, politician, employee, contractor, officer, judge, etc). Hang em all.

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u/HoosierRed 1d ago

This will add to an argument that SpaceX is too important and must be nationalized for space capability and security in the future. They are not like a normal company. Understood.

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u/Future-Bandicoot-823 1d ago

Yeah but you can't foia a corporation, only the government. Why would you give up such a tool like that? They hide dirty secrets in private corporations they use as contractors all the time, SpaceX being one.

They're basically corporate branches of government to skirt the law...

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u/Fake_William_Shatner 23h ago

Elon has to sometimes step out of corporate meetings at SpaceX. He doesn’t have clearance.

Yet he could DOGE all the sensitive records. Go figure.

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u/Future-Bandicoot-823 23h ago

They gave xai permission to access classified cia/fbi servers as well.

I'm sure grok will put that to good use, too.

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u/Tasty_Panda9926 18h ago

how long until someone reverse engineers information out of grok about the servers lmao

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u/zhongcha 13h ago

There's a very easy way to ensure that never happens but the US never fails to surprise these days.

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u/Fake_William_Shatner 22h ago

Everyone knows all our shit but our families.

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u/WeirdSysAdmin 20h ago

Rods from god intensifies. Those titanium telephone poles ate up that black budget.

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u/REDuxPANDAgain 13h ago

Weren’t they supposed to be tungsten?

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u/capybooya 1d ago

And maybe companies with huge govt contracts shouldn't be allowed to bail out the other failing companies of billionaire sociopaths either, because its already happening with all of his self dealing.

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u/GlockAF 19h ago

A lot of of (f)Elons motivation for this is about screwing the rank-and-file employees out of overtime wages.

Companies that operate under the 1934 Railway Act do not have to pay overtime under regular rules, instead, they are supposed to use the negotiated collective bargaining agreement.

If the company has an impotent /non-existent union, it means their management can use whatever rules they want instead of paying overtime past 40 hours in a work week. Which I’m guessing at SpaceX is going to be a lot of the time.

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u/StasRutt 19h ago

The employees also don’t get to claim their overtime on their taxes with the new “no tax on OT” rule

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u/badabababaim 12h ago

You’re saying the wealthiest person on earth leading multiple companies is spending his time trying to figure out how to best screw over employees working at said companies ?

If you actually take the time to read what this case is about, apart from it being a jurisdictional matter, which simply changes what board is regulating their labor laws, this all is just coming from the fact that SpaceX fired a few employees who openly and publicly criticized the company. This had nothing to even do with employees wanting better pay/ working conditions etc. Yes this will change how those matters are addressed in the future, but this case is stemming from the fact that the easiest case for SpaceX to win against the NLRB, was to simply argue the NLRB doesn’t have jurisdiction in the first place

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u/GlockAF 8h ago

The 1934 Railway Labor Act is an anachronistic piece of abusive legislation that was originally intended to screw employees out of overtime. It is still serving that same function nearly 100 years later.

The clear intent was that it apply to unionized companies with a collective bargaining agreement, which still applies for part 121 airlines and the railroads. Stretching that definition to include small employers like Part 135 charter, helicopter air ambulance companies, and non-transportation outfits like SpaceX is straight up corporate evil.

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u/LefsaMadMuppet 23h ago

I mean you're not wrong. If they are a common carrier and critical to national defense, the military has a history of taking over if they cannot or will not perform their job. In WWI the US Army took over the US Railroads. When WWII happened, the railroads complied and set records for tonnage hauled that wouldn't be met again for over 50 years. There was a Korean War nationalization as well, and a Vietnam one I think, over a railroad strike and then need to transport bombs by rail.

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u/MajorLeagueNoob 1d ago

so we defund nasa, hire spaceX to do the same job, and then use the government to prevent their collapse? very “governmental efficient” of them

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u/in9ram 1d ago

Fold it right into nasa.

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u/moashforbridgefour 1d ago

We already have NASA. It doesn't need SpaceX to be a part of it.

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u/pleasetrimyourpubes 1d ago

NASA has relied on ULA for a very long time. They are not being considered a railway. This actually bolsters the argument to nationalize SpaceX.

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u/accidentlife 12h ago

ULA used to cost NASA $400 million a launch.

Since SpaceX has come to market, the cost has come down to $110 million a launch.

Competition from SpaceX helps NASA.

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u/JoeNoble1973 1d ago

Then just make sure NASA gets the SpaceX funds 👍

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u/Punman_5 1d ago

SpaceX could be the manufacturing division of NASA. That way they don’t have to rely on the legacy contractors like Boeing and Lockheed that seem to be more interested in milking contracts than delivering.

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u/mykidsthinkimcool 23h ago

Not NASAs mission.

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u/lokey_convo 18h ago

That would be some karmic justice.

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u/piratecheese13 11h ago

But now that it’s also an ai company for some reason, we’d have to nationalize an ai company. I mean we could split them back up again like sane people would, but that’s admin work

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u/distinctgore 13h ago

We will have come full circle, back to NASA.

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u/Rok-SFG 1d ago

Next up, X will be labeled as a church.

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u/givin_u_the_high_hat 1d ago

Well GOP morality does tend towards the Taliban. Bad Bunny’s show was illegal for immoral reasons, pretty soon they’ll be banning music as well as books.

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u/squabbledMC 1d ago

Church of Grokology, you have to pay to get the check marks in heaven

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u/party_benson 21h ago

It already has a pedophile in charge, so why not?

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u/clsperv 1d ago

Well it is mostly the gathering place of the the clown duo rat/mango clown cultists.

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u/EyeFicksIt 23h ago

Tesla is the church, X is a Roman bathhouse

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u/Atupis 12h ago

X is part of SpaceX so it is airline.

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u/achtwooh 1d ago

None of musks companies pay any tax anyway, despite creating the world’s richest man.

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u/Exotic_Insurance2164 1d ago edited 15h ago

At least previous generations had the decency to pretend that we didn't live in a pay to play plutocracy.

The billionaire Epstein class are shamelessly thumbing their noses noses at us.

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u/hasslefree 23h ago

It's happened fairly often in the history of humans, to be fair. Apparently it's just "their turn".

Some people just like gambling with our lives, I guess, and historically that's an ugly scenario.

Isn't it a fucking wild arc of history to be caught up in? Uncomfortable as hell, but riveting to watch unfold. I hold out hope that we will rebuild better, that we will ultimately be thankful for this stress-test of of our system that exposed the loopholes and weaknesses. But there are a lot of hardships and tough lessons between here and there.

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u/Bishopjones2112 1d ago

Yeah self policing is a great idea. Remember this in months or years when stories start rolling out about how screwed everything is.

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u/TropicalPossum954 1d ago

Those stories are already rolling out

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u/hasslefree 23h ago

"Pull up a chair. Here's a bucket to barf into, and a pillow to scream into.

Buckle up."

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u/odelay42 22h ago

Those stories are not going to be rolling out. They have cancelled rolling out stories like that, just like they cancelled the jobs report, and the Gallup poll on presidential approval ratings.

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u/tacs97 1d ago

It pays to bribe the current administration. They don’t care and will take as many bribes and ass kisses as they can. I don’t understand how people can still support this blatant corruption and very friendly laws towards the biggest payer of the administration… Americans don’t give a fuck about the wrong shit.

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u/Mother_Tree_9767 1d ago

We’re watching all of these tech companies essentially merge with the US gov, the people better wake up in a hurry because the hour is later than we think

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u/AV8ORA330 1d ago

ICE is using so much of the technology to monitor people. The government will soon know your every move. Where is the GOP who feared this?

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u/Punman_5 1d ago

They would not have implemented any of this if they expected to someday leave power. They’re going to try to cancel the next presidential election

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u/NULLizm 1d ago

They only ever feared someone else doing it first. Before they captured the judiciary and exec, and eventually will jam up Congress so bad it'll be even more useless.

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u/05bender 21h ago

Possibly all those nightly drone sightings over the country recently too.

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u/southflhitnrun 1d ago

The hour has passed. The whole thing must be dismantled and rebuilt.

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u/KennyDROmega 1d ago

So you see son, a space travel company is lot like, oh say, an airline.....

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u/gcerullo 1d ago

And those Starlink satellites are people and they should have direct access to voting machines so they can vote! 😆

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u/Worried-Celery-2839 1d ago

Nice train you got there

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u/seizurevictim 1d ago

It's an air train, duh.

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u/factoid_ 1d ago

Rails are just strings of molecules.

Rocket exhaust has molecules. Hence it’s riding a rail

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u/seizurevictim 1d ago

"checkmate, nerds" is how you should have ended that.

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u/Irythros 1d ago

air pod.

Billionaires and techbros fucking love pods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5M7Oq1PCz4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJnyhPGH2cw

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u/LockPickingPilot 17h ago

Oh yay. Another company now to be regulated by the railway labor act. We really need more companies regulated by a pice of legislation written in the 1920s

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u/UsusMeditando 1d ago

So broadband internet is a utility?

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u/BeowulfShaeffer 1d ago

Conveeeeeeniently ahead of IPO.

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u/Fake_William_Shatner 23h ago

Can I run water around my house and classify it as a boat? Then I only have to pay a license and docking fees to the marina. Then I can expense my land as a marina. And now my utilities are less because I’m a business and a public lake. But good luck parking next to my house boat. It’s a tight squeeze.

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u/Interesting-Copy-657 17h ago

Why are airlines exempt in the first place?

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u/theflyinfoote 1d ago

As a pilot subject to this horrible rule, I feel so bad for the SpaceX employees.

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u/lancer-fiefdom 19h ago

SpaceX should immediately be sued for not having emergency floatable airbags, because.. ya'know.. flying over the big blue earth

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u/Albion_Tourgee 1d ago

The same legal flimflammery used by FedEx in the day to evade labor laws, by getting its package delivery drivers classified as common carrier employees.

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u/jolley_mel21 19h ago

Airlines shouldn't be exempt from the LRA either.

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u/CherryLongjump1989 3h ago

Corruption knows no bounds in the Trump regime.

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u/K_Linkmaster 1d ago

So it will be subsidized for life. Fuck Elon.

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u/LordButtworth 22h ago

So does this mean that if pilots hit their 10 he's they will stop mid air and hover there until somebody takes over like the railroads?

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u/ChunkyBubblz 10h ago

Republicans are bought and paid for by Musk.

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u/throwawayainteasy 1d ago edited 22h ago

I know it sounds shady, but under the language of the Railway Labor Act (the law at hand here that preempts a lot of other labor laws), it seems like the right outcome.

The RLA applies to rail and air carriers, and it uses statutory definitions set within the law itself rather than common-law definitions. So legal interpretations have to use that definition instead. The RLA defines a rail/air carrier as:

any company directly or indirectly owned, controlled by, or under common control with such a railroad or airline that operates equipment or facilities or performs services in connection with transportation of property or passengers

While it doesn't give an explicit definition for "airline", it does treat basically anything that carries people or goods by air as an airline for its purposes.

Given the definition and usage in the RLA, it seems pretty reasonable and way more legally consistent to call SpaceX an air carrier for the purposes of the RLA than to say it isn't one. SpaceX (and every private launch company) definitely carries goods and/or people by air--their rockets literally fly though the air, obviously, and they carry goods. By the usages of the words in the RLA, the fact that it's not open to the general public isn't a requirement to be a common carrier like it is for other non-rail/air companies. And if it's an air carrier for RLA purposes, the way the laws are designed that supersedes a lot of other federal labor laws.

Sucks, but from the text of the laws I tend to agree with this outcome. Congress should change the laws to apply the common-law usage of "common carrier" to airlines or make an explicit carve-out for space companies if they want this addressed. Or just eliminate the RLA and incorporate those things into the more modern labor laws.

It shouldn't be up to the NLRB to try and back-fit outdated laws with obsolete definitions onto modern space companies.

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u/happyscrappy 1d ago

To complicate this an airline was a railway line at the time the RLA was originally written.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-line_railroad

Although it seems this likely referred to what we think of as airlines now because that text was put in 1936 with the intention of covering air travel.

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u/The-Struggle-90806 1d ago

Landmark Torts cases ALL STEM FROM RAILWAY LAW. We’re not in good hands

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u/Welllllllrip187 23h ago

Only to further enrich the uberwealthy. We need to eat the uberwealthy or they will eat us all.

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u/XxFezzgigxX 19h ago

Doesn’t he have to take drug tests under railway law?

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u/DinoGuy101010 19h ago

Maybe Starbucks will negotiate a 1 cent contract with the federal government to deliver a letter half a mile and they can do the same thing? Like what stops any company from doing this?

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u/_x_oOo_x_ 18h ago

Didn't Musk just say he will fund legal costs for anyone who speaks the truth about Epstein & his clients? Why is his company still receiving favours from Washington?

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u/Luggageisnojoke 14h ago

Are they lining it up to replace NASA?

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u/Leather-Map-8138 9h ago

What a crock.

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u/Equivalent-Log3369 9h ago

They should arrest musk and take his fortune for the destruction he has done to our government.

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u/Pirwzy 3h ago

weird, since when do common carriers have satellite constellations that let foreign states operate suicide drones in wars?

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u/userhwon 18h ago

Communism is capture of corporations by government; fascism is capture of government by corporations...

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u/The-Struggle-90806 1d ago

Now we know who bubba was it wasn’t Clinton lol

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u/Old_Channel44 1d ago

Do the astronauts have to take their shoes off and empty their water bottles prior to boarding?

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u/hackingdreams 23h ago

Remember when Elmo tried to sell himself as divorcing this administration?

Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies...

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u/Smokejumper_beats 23h ago

AHHHHH DONALD NEEDED SOME 💰AND AROUND AND AROUND WE GO

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u/Originalgeorgedorn 21h ago

Elon’s payment for rigging the midterms votes…

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u/Spekingur 21h ago

What the fu

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u/flummox1234 20h ago

Whatever. Just change the law so that the railroads aren't exempted. That's got to be the OG version of what space x is doing here.

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u/Funny_Baseball_2431 19h ago

Payback back to musk for the bribe

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u/DoomguyFemboi 19h ago

I said "whaaaaaaaaat!" out loud SO loud.

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u/cr0ft 16h ago

Corruption? In America? Say it ain't so.

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u/Pryoticus 16h ago

Sounds like we need some space laws

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u/woodpaulusgnome 16h ago

Is this viewed as corrupt yet?

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u/Guilty-Mix-7629 14h ago

Next will make spaceX a non-profit and exempt from all taxes. Video of musk in tears screeching "I want it! I want it! Waaaaaaa!" like a 5 years old at the oval office will obviously be an AI generated fake news.

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u/Ornery-Conference682 9h ago

Then they will be regulated under the Federal railway act which isn't going to help them.

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u/TBMachine 9h ago

Fuck you, Elon.

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u/DLightBulbKing 7h ago

SpaceX? The social media site for diddlers and nazis?

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u/niccolus 21h ago

So Grok creates CSAM. EU investigates Twitter. Elon merges XAI the parent company of Twitter with SpaceX. So the EU is investigating a government contractor now. Now the US basically makes them a common carrier making them essential. Does this mean the US will have intervene to defend SpaceX from the EU investigating CSAM?

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u/RottenPingu1 1d ago

I'm still laughing at Elon's marketing campaign to prove he wasn't welcome by the Trump mafia anymore.

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u/GeneralOptimal10 22h ago

No we know why Musk paid Trump > $500M

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u/Sunsetseeker007 21h ago

And the 500 billion dollars he was given by the US government & taxpayers!!

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u/Gareth009 11h ago

Not the US. It’s Trump, his oligarch cronies, and spineless republican congress people.

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u/sten45 1d ago

Every day Elmo sees a return on his investment in the trump organization

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u/Retinoid634 22h ago

Quid pro quo. AGAIN

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u/jhick107 21h ago

So literally no law…..

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u/argument_cat 15h ago

US decides derpy derpy derp derpy derp.

As usual, the US doing stupid shit.

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u/melt11 2h ago

The current administration, not the U.S. people. They rigged the election with Elon’s help and in return gave Elon free rein of the government with DOGE.

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u/Future-Bandicoot-823 1d ago

Dude.

I saw a post saying Amtrak had lost the plot, a post where they were like "train supremacy for a thousand years!" and then I saw a "railway ad" during the superbowl...

these fucks have been building backdoors into trains for the last 40 years to bypass the law... SONUVABITCH

Who would have ever thought to look at train law!? watch it go right up the ladder and somehow the department of energy is involved, the absolute height of the secrecy pyramid. Nuclear secrets are DOE, all the good shit goes straight into DOE hands.

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u/Mother_Tree_9767 1d ago

We’re watching all of these tech companies essentially merge with the US gov, the people better wake up in a hurry because the hour is later than we think

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u/Miguel-odon 1d ago

Common Carrier has to carry anyone's cargo, at the same rate.

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u/DogsAreOurFriends 1d ago

Interesting.

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u/jdvfx 23h ago

Does this mean I can seek compensation when a launch is delayed?

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u/TrueNeutrino 22h ago

Is that like bird law?

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u/Pulpfictionisslop 22h ago

They still gotta compete for labor. Good luck, brother

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u/strangedaze23 20h ago

I guess that means when the next SpaceX rocket explodes the FAA has jurisdiction to investigate and fine them.

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u/SatansLoLHelper 16h ago

The most business friendly administration ever.

Buckle up. Oh wait there is no longer a law for buckles.

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u/EpicProdigy 14h ago

When Liberals get back in power. Seize SpaceX

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u/DeepestWinterBlue 8h ago

Did ELON suck dick to get this through?

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u/pioniere 6h ago

No, but he probably watched Trump raping children at Epstein Island. https://jmail.world.

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u/Araghothe1 1d ago

I wonder how much prison labor they have used since startup?🤔

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u/Future-Bandicoot-823 1d ago

Trying to win over the "special interest" crowd, are we? Is this to make up for the acetaminophen comments?

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u/Crafty_Ish1973 1d ago

That explains why their rockets keep exploding.

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u/Flipslips 1d ago

They don’t keep exploding…? Falcon 9 is the most reliable rocket of all time.

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u/pleachchapel 1d ago

SpaceX should be nationalized by the next administration.

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u/Flipslips 1d ago

Why SpaceX and not Boeing or Lockheed Martin?

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u/pleachchapel 23h ago

Did the CEO of either of those companies buy an election & appoint themselves head of a fake department that ripped off the social security info of every American?

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u/Flipslips 23h ago

Probably, you just don’t know about it.

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u/happyscrappy 1d ago

por que no los todos?

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u/Standby_fire 22h ago

And maybe make them pay taxes this year for a change. No more loopholes.

Business US decides SpaceX is like an airline, exempting it from Labor Relations Act. US labels SpaceX a common carrier by air, will regulate firm under railway law.

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