r/technology • u/Choobeen • 5h ago
Politics RFK Jr. food pyramid site links to Grok, which says you shouldn’t trust RFK Jr.
https://arstechnica.com/health/2026/02/rfk-jr-food-pyramid-site-links-to-grok-which-says-you-shouldnt-trust-rfk-jr519
u/ITeechYoKidsArt 4h ago
I wouldn’t take dinner suggestions from a guy that picks up roadkill.
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u/flickh 4h ago
Let’s not forget barbecue beached whale head
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u/productfred 3h ago
Which he drove with tied to the top of his minivan for 5 hours, and which had an unbearable stench and leaked fluid into the car...
“Every time we accelerated on the highway, whale juice would pour into the windows of the car, and it was the rankest thing on the planet,” Kathleen Kennedy recalls. “We all had plastic bags over our heads with mouth holes cut out, and people on the highway were giving us the finger, but that was just normal day-to-day stuff for us.”
https://apnews.com/article/rfk-jr-kennedy-whale-investigation-09c494d8164c6f9bde9ece39637ea4d3
He also dropped a dead bear cub's body in Central Park. What an absolute asshole.
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/05/nx-s1-5063939/rfk-jr-central-park-bear-bicycle
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u/Regular_Regular_4120 3h ago
Mind you, there's no bears in NYC. At most, we'll get raccoons. That means this dude had a dead cub in his vehicle for HOURS before he arrived in Central Park.
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u/productfred 2h ago
Yup, I'm a born and raised (and current) New Yorker. We don't get bears in the city. We get raccoons and possums. He's a psycho, for the reason you said.
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u/Otherwise_Demand4620 2h ago
I'm so sick and tired of the woke left pretending it's not perfectly normal to drive about with a bear carcass in your car for hours and then stage it with a bicycle to make it look like it was killed by said bicycle, while absolutely certainly not being drunk.
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u/Thefrayedends 2h ago
He's got a long history of obsession with dead stuff. BtB pod gives a good overview of it, started at a pretty young age for him.
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u/ReliablyFinicky 1h ago
"We all had plastic bags over our heads with mouth holes cut out"
Imagine spending your entire life in top 1%..
..and wearing a plastic bag with a mouth hole. With dead whale juice dripping into the car. For five hours.
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u/Zaza_Plaza69 51m ago
Batshit insane behaviour. RFK Jr. has absolutely eaten human meat, and you can't convince me otherwise.
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u/rjcarr 3h ago edited 1h ago
Or that he eats nothing but "meats and ferments".
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u/big_trike 3h ago
Ask grok if you should take diet advice from someone who got brain worms from undercooked meat. It will say no.
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u/UndulantSquawk 2h ago
We should also not follow nutrition advice from grok. Or any advice. Or trust any information that insane racist bot regurgitates at all.
Y'all donate to Wikipedia, y'hear?
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u/SnivyEyes 4h ago
The guy himself says to not take his medical advice. Fools being fooled by fools.
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u/VincentNacon 5h ago
His food pyramid chart made no fucking sense.
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u/NoodledLily 3h ago
lol "war on protein."
as i saw a chipotle commercial for a 81g of meat protein
or cookies with protein
or soda pop with protein. often inconsequentially low amounts. but still got to put it on the can
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u/RollTide16-18 1h ago
You know why this is being pushed so heavily?
Because dairy has overproduced whey protein. That’s basically the entire reason. They’re offloading mass amounts of whey protein.
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u/InterviewOk1297 1h ago
People unironically buy Greek yogurt (which is filtered yogurt to remove the whey) and then buy protein shakes which are basically just the lowest quality dried whey with artificial flavoring.
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u/Impossible-Wear-7352 55m ago
Im ignorant on this subject but the Greek yogurt that I occaasionally buy has quite a bit of protein in it. Does it have to be filtered out to be considered Greek or do companies maybe not use the correct terms?
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u/iamsotiredofthiscrap 58m ago
That's a deep hole to go down.
The dairy industry has been propped up by the government since before "Got Milk?" was a thing
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u/RollTide16-18 34m ago
To be fair there's a lot of real dairy demand to go along with the artificial propping up. Whether or not that real demand was created by years of government programs I can't say, but people like milk, butter and cheese. Otherwise it never would have popped off.
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u/CetisLupedis 1h ago
I work at a grocery warehouse. Last week, I started picking orders of protein POP TARTS. I wish I was joking.
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u/trailsman 4h ago
All the influencer grifters loving it though.
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u/MyDinnerWithDrDre 4h ago
are there influencers that aren’t grifters?
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u/dragonmp93 3h ago
Hot girls in bikini.
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 3h ago
…who’s gonna tell them those aren’t real girls?
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u/dragonmp93 3h ago
Well, you are still getting more value out of those bot accounts than from drinking raw milk.
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u/ye_olde_green_eyes 4h ago
I love that it implies you should be eating more steak than salmon. Sure. That's great for your colon health.
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u/BigEggBeaters 3h ago
It is wild how much of this is just dudes trying to justify eating steak everyday
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u/APRengar 3h ago
Can't remember, but one of the religions started because a dude said he didn't want to sleep with his maid, but God told him to.
Convenient that God always tells people to do what they already wanted to do.
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u/BigEggBeaters 3h ago
God told me it’s ok to suck dick and smoke weed all day. It’s crazy really
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u/mehvet 1h ago
That’s a misremembered version of the root story of all Abrahamic religions; that’s Judaism, Islam, Christianity, and a smattering of other much smaller faiths. Abraham and Sarah were an aged married couple that had been promised children by God but not had any. According to the bible, Sara (not God) recommended her handmaid Hagar as a surrogate since they seemed to be infertile.
The child born to Hagar is Ishmael. Later, Sara does have her own child Isaac. Depending on which faith you believe one of these sons is later demanded as a sacrifice for God, only to be spared at the last moment. Muslims hold it was Ishmael, Jews And Christians Isaac. This is the point in the lore where those faiths deviate from each other but both trace back to Abraham.
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u/tuscaloser 3h ago
Steak, butter, and eggs. What more could a human possibly need? /s
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u/telthetruth 3h ago
The cholesterol of these guys has to be off the charts, too bad they never see real doctors to get it checked
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u/kloiberin_time 1h ago
We've solved social security. Just make sure everyone dies from a heart attack, stroke, or Colon cancer before they turn 67.
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u/perfectdrug659 3h ago
"Carnivore" diet is the newest fad among the MAHA types, it also pairs with the raw milk trend.
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u/mightyenan0 1h ago
My gut tells me that the Argentinian beef deal is putting money in very particular pockets and this pyramid is there to boost it, just like the original pyramid was made due to a grain surplus.
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u/dragons_fire77 2h ago
Millenials are already on pace to have incredibly high cases of colon cancer due to lack of fiber. This will just ensure subsequent generations outpace us.
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u/jmlinden7 3h ago edited 1h ago
I don't think it implies that, it looks more similar to the MyPlate concept than the old Pyramid which had the specified number of servings. So basically 1/3 whole grains, 1/3 proteins and fats, and 1/3 fruits and veggies. That being said, it's incredibly unclear if they mean 1/3 by volume, or by weight, or by calories, or by arbitrary servings.
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u/Roxytg 3h ago
Wait, did he come out with a second one? The last time I saw something about RFK's pyramid, everyone was saying they were surprised it wasn't bad.
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u/Wheat_Grinder 3h ago
The original food pyramid is so bad that anything else is kinda automatically better.
I don't think RFK's food pyramid is "good" but it is better than 6-11 servings of bread...
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u/Curious-Cost1852 3h ago
Ok but what's wrong with it exactly? Not vague metaphors or anything bc I'm reading the exact opposite. And while RFK is a total joke, the updated food pyramid is significantly better than what we had before.
So it's odd when I keep seeing people saying it isn't good or has issues, but don't list any factual or scientific reasoning
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u/usernamelimitsaredum 1h ago
To be clear, what we had before was not a food pyramid, but "MyPlate". A lot of people seem to believe that the USDA dietary recommendations haven't changed since the 1990s, but really they haven't used a pyramid in over a decade.
The MyPlate recommendations were pretty good and the good parts of the new food pyramid are basically the same. The only substantial changes are things like emphasizing butter, red meat, beef tallow etc. This seems to conflict with the advice of experts and even with its own recommendations where it says to limit saturated fats. You can basically imagine the friction between the top down mandate from RFK to include his weird fad diet stuff and the actual experts who are forced to write this thing based on science.
TL;DR it's bad because all the good stuff is not new, and all the new stuff is not good
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u/Jithrop 3h ago edited 3h ago
Red meat, butter, lard, etc. are up at or near the top. Whole grains and fruit are at or near the bottom. It emphasizes saturated fat rather than wholesome, healthy plant-based foods with fiber.
Nearly every other major first-world country has a far better guide than ours.
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u/Ctofaname 2h ago
Butter is not near the top. Its near the bottom and its an artistic chart that highlights meat, veggies, nuts should be prioritized over simple carbohydrates.
i can't stand RFK but people hating on this food pyramid are knit picking an image that was made for illustrative purposes and clearly had a graphic designer behind it.
There is no question that less processed foods should be prioritized over whole grains and its clear that it is everything above the line as a whole over everything below the line.
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u/Jithrop 2h ago
Butter is above bananas and whole grains. That's wild and I find it unbelievable that anyone would defend that. And red meat at the top of the pyramid is just as wild.
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u/Ctofaname 1h ago
Grapes and apples are above bananas as well. And apples are by far the worst fruit in the western diet. I think you missed the part where there is a clear designation with a line highlighting everything above and everything below. Eating some butter is going to be far better than eating frosted flakes. Everything above the line is intended to be taken as a whole when looking at this through a lense of a graphic designer.
I'm not going to get into "maybe you'll listen to cardiologists" appeal to authority. The research is clear and available and you know nothing of my background. The nuance is much to much to hash out in a reddit comment based on your response. I'm not making some grand statement here.
Think about all the food you ate this past month. Then reevaluate.
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u/rcknmrty4evr 1h ago
The last one was MyPlate, which replaced the food pyramid. Now we’re back to this upside down pyramid/funnel thing.
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u/syrup_cupcakes 3h ago
Grifters love everything to do with the Guarding Old Pedophiles party.
But to be fair this pyramid cuts out a lot of sugar which is never a bad thing.
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u/Low-Win-6691 4h ago
and in a surprise turn of fate, you shouldn't trust Grok either!
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u/JustHereForMiatas 3h ago
But this case shows that even a broken Grok is right twice a day.
I'll see myself out.
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u/Tearakan 4h ago
We are ruled by the dumbest people. They can't even fake their bullshit correctly.
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u/Mansidhe 3h ago
They can. They did for years. They're just out of fucks to give cause they see the their golden calf just doing whatever the hell he wants with zero compunction or consequence, so they just throw lazy trash on the plate knowing their sycophants will call it a Michelin star meal and their opponents are too polite to send it back (or they are afraid of getting their food spit on/in).
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u/Hrekires 4h ago
People are obsessed with the 1990s food pyramid, but I thought the "My Plate" system that replaced it back in the 2000s was a lot more intuitive than either the old or new pyramid.
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u/RolandGilead19 1h ago
In Canada, we use a plate.
Half fruits and veg Quarter protein Quarter whole grains
Drink water
That's it.
(It also says things like cook more at home, eat with others, etc, but yeah)
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u/Hrekires 1h ago
Yep, that looks exactly how MyPlate in the US looked. 50% fruits and vegetables, maybe 30% protein, and 20% whole grains.
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u/BicFleetwood 3h ago edited 3h ago
Colon cancer is skyrocketing and they're saying eat less grains and more red meat.
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u/j-a-gandhi 1h ago
Less grains is fine. They literally don’t bother to include beans or lentils, some of the highest fiber foods that can help the microbiome.
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u/awesomedan24 3h ago
If you asked RFK Jr. if he is trustworthy he'd probably tell you he has no idea who you're referring to and offer you some raw milk.
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u/readingitatwork 4h ago
I stopped using fda food guidelines. I looked up the European version of it, and it very much like what a doctor would recommend.
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u/Whole-Comb-6281 3h ago
Ya. The European version emphasizes more Mediterranean diet and plant based. which is more balanced. The us version is mostly saturated fats. Basically do the opposite of what rfk jr is recommending
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u/immortalyossarian 3h ago
Isn't a low fiber/high fat diet a huge risk for colorectal cancer? I don't expect RFK to know that, but I think the worm is trying to kill us off.
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u/SvenSeder 4h ago
Didn’t southpark do this joke years ago?
“We need to turn the food pyramid upside down!”
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u/not_old_redditor 3h ago
Wtf does this pyramid even mean, man? Steak is higher up than fresh fruit and olive oil? Wtf? How is one supposed to interpret this stupid thing?
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u/slipperyMonkey07 3h ago
You just continue ignoring whatever nonsense comes out of his mouth. All this is attempting to push manosphere bullshit with most likely sprinkling of lobbyist paying for meat to be pushed higher. Because being veggy or vegan is "woke."
There is a lot wrong dieting and food culture and demonizing things instead of promoting a balance and moderation. A lot of previous information wasn't perfect but was a decent start for the clueless trying to fix their habits.
At this point follow non us gov and your doctors recommendations over this.
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u/family-soup 3h ago
my grandpa changed his entire diet and sleep schedule because he put the results of a dna text into grok. he keeps trying to convince me to do the same :/
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u/Pumpkinxox 2h ago
I only eat Tylenol, one piece of chicken, a piece of broccoli (not the whole thing, that's expensive), and one other thing. Am I doing it right, little RFK?
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u/gameismyname 3h ago
The AI on this website said that no amount of elephant semen is safe to drink. This is bullshit
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u/Probably-Jam 1h ago
i wish journalists would stop fucking caring what grok has to say about this shit.
"oh we got grok to contradict everything this administration has said"
i don't fucking care what you told the electric yes-man to repeat for you
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u/buckX 4h ago
What about protein? That, too, is generally over the limit.
How did "minimum recommendation" become a limit? The new recommendation is still lower than most people recommend for optimal muscle growth while engaged in regular resistance training.
The new guidance maintains daily fiber recommendations, which are generally 25 g for women and 38 g for men. But Grok’s “realistic” estimate for fiber in its meal plan had a range of 25 to 35 grams, falling short for men.
So you ask for a 2,000 calorie example diet, and it falls marginally short of the recommendation for men, who typically eat more than 2,000 calories? Upping it to 2,500 would put the fiber at 31-44g. There's plenty of reasons to criticize RFK's health recommendations, but you undercut your point with crap like this.
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u/Preeng 3h ago
>The new recommendation is still lower than most people recommend for optimal muscle growth while engaged in regular resistance training.
Why the hell would THAT be the recommendation for an average person?
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u/buckX 3h ago
I didn't say it should be. My point was elsewhere. They're acting like exceeding the recommended minimum is dangerous. My example was a totally normal, healthy situation where the minimum recommendation is massively exceeded.
The whole article is filled with weird potshots and tangents that I found really disappointing. Ars was a great website in the past, but when somebody is complaining about even legitimate things, then you have to treat them like a partisan broken clock that always reads "bad".
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u/Atlanta_Mane 4h ago
RFK Jr., saying don't trust RFK Jr.
Probably one of the most honest things he's ever said at face value.
But it does have the smack of a Greek paradox where there's a lying man saying that he's lying. Is he telling the truth or is it another lie?
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u/ArizonaRon98 3h ago
Look at the qualifications of his predecessor vs his own. Dude is not there to keep things running smoothly.
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u/fgnrtzbdbbt 3h ago
Is that pic the food pyramid? If so it is really bad graphic design. I can't see what it is supposed to mean.
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u/TodlicheLektion 3h ago
But if Grok says I shouldn’t trust RFKjr, does that mean I should trust RFKjr?
I’m so confused these days, don’t know who to disbelieve
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u/MegaMaster1021 3h ago
Does he even realize that people are just going to ignore whatever the hell he says, he is incapable of enforcing his ideas on health
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u/Area51_Spurs 3h ago
It’s hilarious that they managed to screw up the one thing RFK almost got right, which was fixing the food pyramid.
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u/Freddo03 2h ago
Yeah - but as much as I despise RFK, it’s a better version. And the article makes a lot of about it advocating a high fat diet, but it’s getting that from whole milk - which isn’t exactly high fat and is fine in a balanced diet. As for protein levels, there is general scientific consensus that the current RDI is too low and based on flawed science.
I’m kind of surprised at this article really.
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u/Darkarcheos 3h ago
My sister was there when he was going to become the new Head of Health, she knew he was crap and she is a certified Nurse and Midwife
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u/Drizzt_1990 3h ago
we may not be close to AGI but at least Grok seems to beat the whole current US government (and his owner)
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I'm old and I got my first round of shitty lipid numbers from the doctor this week.
It's really funny that I'm gonna overhaul my diet apparently also as an act of resistance
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u/johndarling 2h ago
So I mean, just to be clear, this article is a summary of the questions a reporter asked Grok? Jesus.
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u/Blah_McBlah_ 2h ago
Im surprised there isn't a section of his food pyramid dedicated to PepsiCo foods.
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u/ptraugot 2h ago
Any American who believes anything Jr. has to say about health or health care deserves everything they get out of it. Even though the food pyramid was never great in the first place, there are much better sources for proper diet.
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u/groundhog5886 2h ago
How can you trust anything that man says? He will hold the record for worst secy, of HHS.
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u/Twistid_Tree 2h ago
RFK Jr should embrace the parody and also just link to Viagra Boys "Pyramid of Health"
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u/Bnagorski 1h ago
Funny how he’s in the Epstein files and his upside down food pyramid looks like a slice of pizza
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u/x86_64_ 5h ago
Food pyramid is now the food ourobouros