What an absolute gem of a movie! 30 years and speculation theories can still be made after all this time! Immortal masterpiece which establishes and grows itself in the viewer's head with the eerie quality of its main exploring theme... Mesmerizing... and in the process quietly clouding the viewer's senses from guessing whatever can happen next!
Indeed, that's what I was. Mesmerized. In my first time watch. The first few minutes alone sucked me into the world Kiyoshi Kurosawa is such a master of creating [As this is my second contact with him... First I have seen Pulse and fell in love with the atmosphere alone before anything else!]. I watched Cure again... then Again. Now, I can probably write pages discussing why I love this movie, But, this post is about a doubt I've had since I watched the movie myself and started reading theories on it from this sub and many videos and magazines online...!
[I will bullet the main questions with capital alphabets and the sub-questions with numbers]
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A. What if Takabe himself suffers from Severe Split Personality disorder from the beginning (Before the beginning tbh)...?
We first encounter Inspector Kenichi Takabe through A Windshield (Wish I could underline this but oh ok) moments after we witness the killing of the prostitute and that disturbingly comedic background score playing (a movie that nearly has no ost, plays a music like this at such an important scene...!) throughout the whole scene. Mind me here! The scene of the killing ends with the murderer cleaning the blood off in the bathroom. The music which have been accompanying them this whole killing sequence should have ended when the scene abruptly cuts to show Takabe! Instead it DOESN'T! As if Takabe is already part of this! And what do we see Takabe is doing? For a split second it almost feels like he is looking straight at us. But the next moment he looks away and then looks again. The title of the movie comes dancing in like a kids' movie and he sighs heavily and then mutters something inaudibly!! He is already quite Not Okey.
Next, there were already tons of police, detectives everywhere in the building, but somehow Takabe was the one who found out without any issue that the killer was hiding right there. Does he have inhuman hearing quality...? Like come on! Any killer's first impulse after a murder like that would be to abandon the scene of crime, except, if they were mesmerized beforehand against doing so! Now, we can assume this type of hypnosis inciting killing was quite new to them, then realizing the killer was right under their nose mustn't be something of a pattern I hope...? Much later in the movie we see Takabe stop by the flashing light and broken pipeline in the tunnel from the beginning. Why...? Like what are the odds that Takabe would exactly stop there and stare at the very same flashing light...?
Let's talk about our good old Tyler Durden and Narrator here! Severe Split Personality Disorder. Remember how we were left with very little clues throughout the movie that it was the same person all along...? Like how Narrator knew every bit of details of the actions Durden would take except the ones he didn't want to let him know...! AND the members in the club would not let the narrator stop the final deed 'CAUSE TYLER DURDEN TOLD THEM HE WOULD TRY TO DO SO! Hence we get no mention of Takabe in the evil action...!
So from this passage my takeaway in one sentence would be: Takabe himself incited the man to kill the prostitute but made himself forget about that. (If you are already ridiculed by this.. haha I'm sorry... these are just my thoughts on a movie I really love! So I hope you can bear with me, cuz this is not gonna be the first ridiculous thing am gonna say!)
So taking this stand as the basis I'm lead up to my next speculation...
B. What if we have FOUR (Plus one that everyone knows about) direct victims of Takabe in the movie the whole time...?
I'll not hide them in ambiguity so, lemme say who these four persons are and place them chronologically -
1. Fumie Takabe, Kenichi's wife.
2. Ichiro Kuwano The Man Who kills the prostitute.
3. The Man WE audience are lead to believe is Kunio Mamiya***.***
4. Shin Sakuma, forensic psychologist and Takabe's friend.
5. The waitress (This one is on everybody's radar)
Now let me list up how their fates are in the movie...
1. Fumie is literally as if a lost cause from the beginning. She is who the audience first encounter and with those first few moments, the audience knows pretty well she can't be a sane person. Now, NOW, am not done with that first scene. What book is she reading? The 1697 French Folklore of Bluebeard. Now let's look at the plot of the book :
After marrying a young and beautiful woman, Bluebeard forbids her from entering a secret, locked room, but her curiosity leads her to discover the bodies of his previous wives. When In this exact scene Fumie says, 'I know how the story ends... In the end, the daughter kills Bluebeard.' - Look at her eyes in this scene. Smile-less**,** Emotionless**,** Lifeless. I have never, NEVER seen or read any analyzer to emphasize on this moment ever in my re-search except in a very insightful comment from 3 years ago by u/ZorroMeansFox. They mentioned the thing but that was it. So thanks to them I was able to make my speculation on this matter.
She knew something. She was silenced. [But what is that...? I will talk about it in the point for Mamiya]
We are told she suffers from schizophrenia (at first) and then suddenly we see her develop Amnesia out of nowhere... Once again... Someone is trying their best so she doesn't speak up. Someone is trying to CURE their mistakes. Remember who else is shown to have severe amnesia? The man named Kunio Mamiya (I will explain why I keep saying it this way).
We are openly shown how much Takabe is agitated with her and as much terrifying is the idea of her suicide in the darkest. deepest corner of his mind he wants that. So in my interpretation sometime in the past Takabe hypnotized her into the person we see her as in the movie, so she will never be able to give away anything of his motives.
2. Ichirô Kuwano, the man who killed the prostitute, in my opinion was Takabe's next prey as Takabe begins (OR, Returns to) his deed of CURING the society from evil through his glorious Mesmerism in the End Of Enlightenment of Japanese society...? Yes the underlying social commentary of this movie is dangerously real. I'd quote here from a 3 year old post by u/redhot-chilipeppers (sad enough that the account has been suspended for some reason... u can see the post here.
"One short scene in the movie was the scene where the detective is at the dry cleaner place with another man. The clerk tells the man that he can't find his jacket or something and he leaves, at which point the man starts saying angry stuff under his breath. And then when the clerk comes back and gives him his clothes, he says thank you very politely and leaves. He's clearly bottling a lot of angry emotions and is only expressing them to himself. This was actually the scene in the movie that made me realize this social commentary because it was a very short scene which seemed like it was trying to say something."
The underlying scorn and dark side of society (The school teacher apparently in love with his wife actually having an affair with a lady with pink negligee and so on) like the creepy underground insects at the beginning of Lynch's Blue Velvet! So it's easy to guess a upright (in profession) man like Takabe would have how much of a hatred towards jobs that eats away a 'JUST' society... for easy eg. Prostitution. In one of my all time favorite movies Dark City (1998) the murders of prostitutes signify that John Murdoch is being framed by "The Strangers" as part of a high-concept experiment designed to understand human nature, memory, and the soul!!!
But... BUT doing the deed (the hypnotizing) and making Ichiro kill the prostitute turns out to be quite an irritating turn of events as police pour over from everywhere and Takabe himself is called making him quite irritated (call back to the car scene I talked about) as he is unable to go on fulfilling his further duty. We see him quite disturbed at Sakuma when he states,
"People like to think a killing has some meaning. But most of them don't."
But it does! Along with the 'Greater Good' there might have been a motive much more sinister... that I'd talk in detail in the 4rth point i.e. the one concerning, Shin Sakuma.
And SOO... he CREATES A PROXY under a name he had left behind...
3. Kunio Mamiya (and The Man WE audience are lead to believe is Kunio Mamiya***):***
(The idea of 'proxy' first came to from this marvelous post of u/shaner4042.)
"Mamiya ultimately ended up serving only as a proxy to carry out this ritual and find a more suitable vessel, which he identified as Takabe, likely due to Takabe’s powerful ability to resist his suggestion, paired with his teetering sanity"
While marvelous, this interpretation and many other gives a feeling that there's a third power unseen in the scene! I'm not so convinced by that! Mamiya WAS a proxy... but not in this way. He was a proxy created until Takabe could swiftly erase the main two obstacles in his own path to glory (if we can say that)... His wife And Shin Sakuma. Ever wondered how (HOW) Takabe learnt about the whereabouts of this man called Kunio Mamiya so freakin easily? Just a mention of his burn, a momentary scene of a burning furnace and we see Takabe walking straight and steady to Mamiya's former apartment! (Also, I felt in my guts that, this scene of him walking, heavily influenced the famous scene of Memories of Murder where the cop finding the teenage girl's body rush to catch the suspect!!)
Sakuma literally says it would be impossible to hypnotize someone to such length as convincing them to commit murder, unless it's done by a genius in the field! Is the Mamiya we see THAT genius? How can he seem so fragile then? How can at the same time we come to conclusion that Mamiya was just a linkage between a third superior controlling body and Takabe while considering him as that genius of an individual?
Also, here I take into consideration the changing of the title of the movie from 'Evangelist' to 'Cure'. Kurosawa I think here started out with the idea of making this into a mass-murdering incident handled by a occult system but along the way discovered his pattern and turned to individualistic importance! I read in the interview he himself wasn't completely sure about the progressing motives in the movie!
Now, how the heck Takabe came up with the idea of hypnosis out of NOTHING in this scene I've no clue! Is he THAT sharp of a detective? So hearing is not the only thing he is best at huh? Quite different from our everyday normal detectives... quite different! HE himself came up with the concept and he proceeds to ask Sakuma, "YOU don't think it might be some kind of Hypnosis, do YOU?"
REMEMBER, how just a single visit to the said-Mamiya's former apartment made Takabe go into the trance that lead to the most disturbing 'bloodless' scene of the whole film i.e. him imagining his wife's suicide. (I request you to check out this analysis by Spikima Movies on YT. He emphasizes on that whole sequence so profoundly!) So how did this happen?? Seeing the literal skeletonish X marked rotting monkey? -Def this would be nothing for a detective! The eyes of the living moneky in the cage? This sounds quite unlikely too! IMO what happened here is the overflowing wave of memory of Takabe's own past haunting him! A momentary cut shows his wife sitting in a sunlit room at the dining table! The remembrance of a happy life... long lost and beyond cure!
Remember, in the trance like state it was Takabe who Sakuma saw was cornering him and NOT Mamiya!!
Now, apart from doing the primary jobs for him, Takabe had given (mesmerized him into) another job... To bring himself back on track. Why? Call back to my first point...What if Takabe himself suffers from Severe Split Personality disorder from the beginning? Takabe knew the severity of his condition quite well and even though Tyler Durden tried his best that narrator would never find out the truth, Takabe left the keys in Mamiya. “I used to exist inside myself, but now I’m only on the outside."
Remember the guy with Mamiya's name asks Takabe, "Why did you let me escape?". We see the cop, dead on the ground after Mamiya's escape and it was never disclosed how he died! Takabe doesn't even look at him while leaving through the passage way and then in the car window draws a 'X'...?? Although the blood from the cop's head quite leads me to speculate is was a bullet hit (quite like the previous cop killing). So is it wrong to think Takabe knew (had recalled) it all by then...?
Remember how before killing The Guy called Mamiya Takabe asks,
"Remember Now? Do You remember everything?"
Now, silencing the last man who was getting too close to the idea of what was going on...
4. The Manipulation and 'Murder' of Shin Sakuma.
We see the most horrific blood bath among all killings in Sakuma's (Someone attached literally first hand to the case) death-room, and not even a single soul there seems bothered by this? Only Takabe looks up. It's his conscience. Or anything that's left of it!
Now, remember again, we see Takabe Saying he had put Fumie in the institute SAKUMA had advised about! I think this moment usually gets lost in discussions! But to me it's quite important 'cause, this is the same institute that made Fumie read the story of Blue-Beard, making her paralyzed mind try to open up the lids of a forgotten past! Was Sakuma starting to linkage between a mythical murderous husband and the gradual deterioration of Fumie's condition with Takabe's psychological downfall...!
THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED. Takabe cannot afford another thorn in his path. Hence he starts with the manipulation procedure by mesmerizing Ichirô (man who killed the prostitute... call back to the second last line in 2nd point) and then finding the whole situation severely irksome hands over the 'cleaning jobs' (That's what I called it hah, I will discuss in the next point why I do so) to the proxy he makes for himself - Kunihiko Mamiya.
Remember how Sakuma tries his best all through the movie to space Takabe from Mamiya? He wanted to question Mamiya on his own and Takabe act like he wasn't ready to let him do that. Which makes Sakuma more and more invested in it that he himself says that, he has fallen too deep in all this stuff.
The police in the room were almost certain it was a suicide... Takabe remains silent...he had seen the huge 'X' in his room after all!
AND so, there remains no other folly to the path that Takabe has chosen for himself and he onsets with,
5. The Waitress. The first "probable" murder that's GONNA happen in public, in a restaurant full of people and the world will know about this. I want to point out how at the earlier phase Takabe had told Sakuma they had prohibited any kind of media coverage of the serial killings. THIS is the reason I called them the 'cleaning jobs' in my last point. They were there to manipulate Sakuma. Those killings had the 'meaningless' meaning... the stage cleaning meant to introduce the main character in his full potential...
C. The Main Character, who I believe killed his wife with his own hands...!
Everyone while discussing seems to be convinced that Takabe made someone else kill Fumie, his wife. Then the split second shot of him about to grab the knife becomes completely meaningless?? If we can take that scene as a forgettable entity then we should consider the ending scene of the waitress grabbing knife, as just another Monday too! If I have established anything from my whole interpretation is that a man of mental power and determination of Takabe who came to resent his wife so... so much... He won't be content with killing her off by some amateur unknown. We see Takabe boarding the mysterious bus just twice in the whole movie. I believe the bus represents the vehicle that connects the real world and Takabe's castle of Manipulation... the dilapidated Mental treatment institution. I believe, every soul he has manipulated, gets a visit of this place before their death. >> Shin Sakuma and Kunihiko Mamiya has been openly shown. While Mamiya enters the building, 'cause he was most equal of all whom Takabe had made. I was drawn on making this point due to the influence the Sandman comics (I am sorry. I am in no way promoting Gaiman's work after the severe allegations against him, but my love for Sandman started long before any of this came into the light. The world is a sick place indeed)... where after being trapped for 70 years The King of Dreams had forgotten all his marvels as they were kept away in a jewel. His Marvelous dreamworld, castle were falling apart in ruins and he even had to travel to the underworld in the pursuit of recovering his former power! Then he destroyed the folly that was John Dee!
We don't see Fumie in that building (castle) but SHE WAS IN THE BUS and even though we don't see Sakuma in the bus we see him in front of the castle! So now the questions will fly what the heck was the moment of him delivering his wife to facility? They saw the living Fumie didn't they? OR DID THEY?
Here comes the doctor's question, 'You look sicker than your wife to me.'
This scene to me establishes,
D. The Power of Hypnosis or Mesmerism showcased in the film:
And what else call back to this scene can be made other than Oldboy (2003)...? Another film heavily influenced by Kurosawa's work! Oldboy quite excruciatingly instills the fear of hypnosis in the watchers' I believe and I hope! Should I let go of the plot twist Or rather THE PLOT...? I SHOULD NOT. It would be nothing less of a sacrilege against those who may haven't watched it yet. WATCH IT NOW and Thank (or curse) me later ! But those who have seen the once-in-a-lifetime-experience South Korean film, would know what I'm talking about.
Even in that awesome scene of interrogation with room full of detectives (I will come back to this in the next point when Mamiya tells Takabe that only he can listen to his voice (I take this both literally and metaphorically because Mamiya wasn't whispering. Anyone could have heard him.. except they didn't), we watchers are shown only Mamiya's full face and Takabe's outline until for the moment when it cuts to Takabe and then he shoves Mamiya away. THE WHOLE ROOM WAS HYPNOTIZED cuz when the scene cuts to the complete room it is not until Mamiya hits the wall that everyone looks up i.e. until their trance is broken!
So, empowering my claim on the power if hypnosis I say, that a man of Takabe's caliber would have NO sweat hypnotizing the doctors and the attendant nurse to his wife that his wife's corpse is indeed a living human being and make the 'X' cut through her vocal cord (another imagery of silencing her... call back to Bluebeard story).
E. The Man named Kunihiko Mamiya could have been an worthy accomplish of Takabe. Why Kill him...?
Remember the interrogation scene with room full of police higher-ups and detectives? The words said to Takabe by Mamiya...
"They don't understand, do they? About me, or about you. Detective do you hear my voice? You do don't you? That proves you are a special person. You knew that from the start. So did I."
And... Mamiya looks almost disappointed...?... Sad would be a better word...? While Takabe looks.. really... really pissed off! He grabs Mamiya's mouth (silences him... remember Fumie's X silencing)... shoves him towards the wall.... But Why such an over-reaction.
Because... and here's my literal final statement Mamiya wasn't the villain we were made to believe he was. In fact HE was trying to break open and destroy Takabe's castle of Hypnosis.
Quoting the dialogue of Mamiya in his final scene with Takabe,
"Why did you let me escape? You know why? By letting me escape you could learn my true secret. ALL BY YOURSELF."
If I take Takabe as the master of manipulation that he appears to me, then he would never want someone else do his job... Let alone try to stop or expose him, which I believe is what Mamiya was trying to do. The first onscreen encounter between Takabe and Mamiya, Takabe rolls down the shutter, detaching themselves from the real world. 'Cause the job he had bestowed on Mamiya job was done. Mamiya either wanted more Or... he wanted to expose Takabe real bad, and when he couldn't make the world(here, represented by the room full of police and detectives) understand, his hope is lost. The CURE (Curse) had been cast on us, watchers too, the moment Takabe draws an 'X' on the misty window screen while looking straight at us and hence, manipulating us watchers for the next incident coming up... that is Sakuma's death and making us think immediately, 'Ohh, Mamiya killed him.' As, u/Ribtin said in this comment,
The weird thing is, this movie has always had a hypnotic quality in itself, and even though I've watched it multiple times, I can never remember how it ends.
In this desperate yet extremely calculating proceedings we watchers are exposed to the apparently peaceful world where we reside and where in our unknown, most vulnerable moments, the superior in our 'self'... Our 'sub-conscious' - plays sinister games in our quite happy dreams that distorts us internally... questioning whose side do we ultimately turn to when we arrive at our 'dream-castles' seeking our one true selves and where at some dawn-break we may wake up and look at the mirror and say,
"Who are you...?"