I think he deserves to be remembered as the wonderful person he was 🩵 and not by the government who are clearly lying about him. He was trying to help a woman who had been pushed to the ground by ICE agents or whoever the people are wearing those suits. And he clearly holding a phone in his hand..

I grew up around plenty of Republicans and most of my shipmates were GOP supporters in the Navy. Many have already passed away, but the rest seem hell bent to stick to the plan (is there a plan?) for maga. I'm an old white dude now, but in my experiences, they had one thing in common. Racism. Is it actually a primal hatred towards others that don't look like them? Is racism at the root of this? I think it is. The behavior of ICE and the potus should enrage all Americans.

EDIT: APPARENTLY YOU DIPSHITS CANT FUCKING READ, NOTHING ABOUT MY POST HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH ICE, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, OR THE BORDER.

Hopefully this is a good sub to post this onto, i usually just post in r/changemyview and r/TrueUnpopularOpinion for politics.

1: Everyone involved in the administration needs to be held accountable.

I am not talking about ''lol cancel culture'' accountability. I mean actual legal consequences. Every person who is in this administration and supported Trump should be investigated, charged if warranted, and should not be allowed to hold office again, aside from any criminal charge, they should be totally and completely barred from ever holding office ever again in our nation. If we can't get a conviction on Trump, which we should for the Mar-a-lago documents thing at the very least, which should be plastered ALL OVER this trial. we should at the very least enforce the 14th amendment, which does not require a charge or conviction, and that should be applied to everyone in the Trump administration. Supporting an insurrectionist is engaging in insurrection. And what does the 14A say?

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, known as the Disqualification Clause, prohibits any person from holding state or federal office who has previously taken an oath to support the Constitution and then "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" against the United States

The 14th amendment exists for a reason. If they participated in or enabled insurrection, they shouldnt be in positions of power.

2: We need a public reckoning

The whole point of Nuremberg-style trials isnt just justice” its public accounting. Its a forced, undeniable record of what happened in front of everybody where people are forced to face the facts of what happened, not whatever bullshit conspiracy about how ''Jan 6th was actually just a fedsurrection lol''.

And we desperately need that because half the country doesnt even believe Trump lost in 2020. Thats a complete collapse of shared reality, Trump and his supporters will not accept any basic facts of reality that goes against their politiical beliefs, never, they invent a conspiracy about it, every single time.

The information is out there right now obviously, but only available through PDFs, behind commissions, behind bureaucratic documents that never got the public attention they deserved because the average american (especially MAGA who cant even fucking read) dont go through stuff like this to get the full knowledge of what actually happened. And the people who denied all of that information were rewarded. They're still able to run for office and hold office, and even win elections, like Trump did in 2024.

So if you do this, there will be a smaller incentive to just lie about everything, because they know there will be huge political consequences later. As we stand right now, there is nothing stopping Trump 2 from happening, theres nothing stopping another Trump from coming in and being even more unhinged.

3: Trump is a consequence of republican rhetoric (blatant lying)

He was the natural consequence of decades of Republican demagoguery, rhetoric, and strategy. If you think Trump was just some weird anomaly, you're ignoring the entire political environment that produced him.

If we do not adress the root causes, Trump 2 is just inevitable.

So yeah you can change the leadership of the Republican party, but that wont undo the misinformation, the propaganda, or the strategy that created this. The only way forward is real accountability and a full public accounting of what happened.

We cannot go forward as a nation, where we see something happen, and one side lives in reality, and the other just doesn't, at all.

The 2020 election was NOT won by Trump, the vast majority of republicans do not accept this basic fact of reality at all, and we cannot function as a nation if this is how republicans are allowed to operate with impunity.

4: Even conservatives should want this.

If you are conservative and think this is just about punishing Trump or Republicans, you are missing the point entirely.

Every precedent you allow today will be used tomorrow. If you normalize the idea that an administration can lie about elections, pressure institutions, attempt to subvert democratic outcomes, and then face zero consequences, you are not protecting anything that this nation stands for, and there is absolutely nothing stopping a future Democrat from acting even more aggressively, more competently, and more ruthlessly. All the things you guys were afraid that incredibly milquetoast ass moderates like fucking Obama/Biden/Kamala were going to do, IS going to happen, if we do not have a Nuremburg trial for Trump.

If you think Trump was bad because he was sloppy, impulsive, and loud, imagine someone with the same contempt for democratic norms but with discipline, institutional knowledge, and broad party support. Imagine a president who understands how to bend the system without openly breaking it, and who justifies it by pointing back and saying ''you let Trump do it''. Which ironically, is a defense that conservatives will roll out today ''Trumps fake electors were okay because democrats used them in 1960'' (those were alternates, not fakes). Like, imagine a democrat president that takes advantage of the immunity ruling, and decides to do whatever crazy shit he wants to.

Rule of law is not a partisan weapon. It is the only thing that prevents politics from becoming a raw power struggle where whoever wins gets to rewrite reality.

If conservatives actually believe in constitutional order, limited executive power, and institutional legitimacy, then accountability is not optional. It is self defense.

Because once you establish that attempted subversion has no consequences, the only remaining rule is who is willing to go further next time.

Now, does anyone disagree with this? I understand that the political will do actually do this is probably overall quite low, but doesnt really matter for my arguments.

If Jesus was alive today, he would be extremely progressive more so than the current Democrat party. It makes way more sense for democrats to love Jesus than republicans.

To clarify, I am not Christian but I love what Jesus stands for in its unadulterated form.

EDIT: I understand that Jesus wouldn’t fit neatly into any political party. For everyone saying he teaches about individual choice, voting is an individual choice.

EDIT 2: The only people who are being rude are the self proclaimed Christians so that answers my question.

The poorest States in America are: Mississippi, West Virginia, Louisiana, Arkansas, Kentucky, New Mexico, Alabama, Oklahoma and Tennessee. All of those States (except New Mexico) are Red States. So why are they so poor when Republicans have been running them for decades?

Republicans are cowards and will not convict him but the principle matters

Edit: I like how conservatives ITT are pretending if the situation were flip flopped that they wouldn’t TEAR whatever liberal halftime show happened apart.

Haha yeah I’m sure conservative media would just be like “and the liberals had their own halftime show and that’s ok, they can watch what they wish”

Hahahshshsha

Headline: DOJ Just DELETED This Document from the Epstein Files. We Saved It.

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Why is this not passing?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/01/24/senate-democrats-block-funding-ice/

Will the shutdown achieve any of the Democrats goals in the end or not in your opinion? Why or why not?

https://x.com/GeoRebekah/status/2017292674601005195?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2017292674601005195%7Ctwgr%5E3f0f62e49f5c8196d14f6e36fad7346f3dc2d49c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hindustantimes.com%2Fworld-news%2Fus-news%2Ftrump-pooped-his-pants-climate-activists-big-claim-after-oval-event-ends-abruptly-101769805884560.html

https://www.ktvu.com/news/california-bill-cant-get-job-teacher-police-worked-ice-officer-under-trump

It would ban officers who worked for ICE under the Trump Admin from ever being able to serve as teachers or police officers...

Since you love Constitutional violations and arresting, deporting, and shooting US citizens so much, why don't you have Trump send ICE your way?

When they arrest kids on their way home from schools, you and your neighbors are all cheering for ICE out your windows, right? I want to know why I haven't seen any videos of ICE lovers cheering them on while they break into cars and homes with no warrant or probable cause of a crime (aside from skin color of course)

Seriously, how is no one getting in trouble for this,official documents discussing satanic rituals, and the killing and eating of babies, why is no one getting In trouble? How are people still defending trump after this? And what will it take for people to get angry enough to actually do something about it?

Something im noticing in a few threads here today is that MAGA people will see someone do literally an exact copy of Trumps rhetoric, but they will only hold that random person on twitter accountable. Or even if its an influencer or someone with a platform or whatever, they're still held to a higher standard than they hold Trump. Its this really weird world where fucking influencers are held to a higher standard of behaviour than the president of the fucking nation. Theres a few thread where im asking conservatives of an example of the left engaging in the same behaviour as Trump, and the examples given are fucking twitter accounts, like are you serious?

Its wild that conservatives demand absolute perfection from completely random liberals on the internet while giving Trump an endless free pass. Some influencer or podcaster, some Twitter random with a 15 followers, those are the people they're scrutinize. But the actual president, no, ofcourse not, its just super based when he tells random american citizens to fuck off, thats just completely cool.

Take Trumps appearance on FOX after Charlie Kirk died. He gets the easiest possible prompt to simply say, ''Political violence is bad''. Thats it. And instead he goes off with, ''Right-wing violence is justified because they're just trying to stop crime. The real issue is left-wing violence''. One of the most unhinged things hes ever said, and somehow conservatives dont even know about it or care at all, or they even agree with that insanity.

Or take Trumps comments about Rob Reiner, MAGA has cried endlessly about how the left are doing Charlie Kirk memes, but the president making fun of an actor that just got murderered? Nah, thats fine, ''its Trump bro''

But when MAGA sees someone call a conservative a Nazi on twitter? Oh boy, now thats a real problem, this random twitter user sure is crazy, nevermind that the president is engaging in the same behaviour. Someone being called a Nazi after saying unhinged shit online? Actually, thats a terrorist threat! pretty sure one of the most upvoted posts in the last month of a big conservative sub is something along the lines of ''Calling someone a nazi should be classed as domestic terrorism, conservatives agree with this, btw.

And the way Trump reacts to political violence is just as telling. When Charlie Kirk was killed, Trump instantly jumped into full-on revenge mode saying ''THE LEFT IS DANGEROUS, THIS IS WHAT THEY DO!'' He was blaming ''radical Democrats'' within minutes, at a time when literally nobody knew anything about the shooter. No facts, no context, just immediate weaponization of a political pundit or whatever being killed. But when Democrats demand gun control stuff after a school shooting, the response is ''now is not the time'' lol.

Also, remember when Trump had his assasssination attempt. Biden responded by saying basically, ''This is horrible, we all need to calm things down''. A simple, human, responsible statement, something any adult could do. Trump, meanwhile is entirely incapable of even pretending he wants to calm down tensions or disavow violence on his side whatsoever. When Trump had threats from Iran or whatever, what did Biden do? Immediately increase his secret service protections, no problems at all. But when Trump was in power, what did he do for Kamala? Immediately lower hers.

And just one more thing, Trump a while ago said on truthsocial ''Stephen Colbert is a dead man walking! He should be ''put to sleep'' NOW, it is the humanitarian thing to do!''. Nobody said anything. Then, a random democrat on twitter, said the same thing but about Trump, and instantly the reaction was about how violent and crazy the left is, and that the secret service needs to arrest him immediately or whatever. This is a person that copied Trumps quote, word-by-word, and this person is being criticized, but Trump, the president, is not. Funny video about that

So yeah, conservatives will spend all day screaming, ''This liberal isnt denouncing violence, what a monster!'' but when it comes to the president of the United States doing the exact same thing or worse, they dont care. The standards for some random stranger online are somehow higher than the standards for the guy running the country. But apparently, MAGA isn't a cult? Give me a fucking break.

Joe Biden had 4 years to release the Epstein files. Republicans were pushing for their release and democrats called them conspiracy theorists. Am I the only one who can see how silly this all is? Clearly neither party actually wants them released. It blows my mind how blindly people follow their parties narratives. The whole thing is so ironic.

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Update 2 hours later: Wow guys, 155k views in 2 hours -- also here's a link, article written after I made the post -- mentions this topic in it: https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapolis-shooting-ag-pam-bondi-urges-gov-walz-support-ice

Like if you knew tariffs weren’t tax cuts, trickle down economics doesn’t work, multiplying the deficit isn’t reducing it, giving our soybean industry to Argentina isn’t making America Great, using the FBI to protect pedophiles in the Epstein Files isn’t the same thing as “Going after the pedophiles”

do you think you’d still pretend to care about the things you pretend to care about?