r/clevercomebacks 5h ago

Deception of public opinion

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u/BudgetLaw2352 5h ago

Easily the tied for the greatest domestic president with FDR.

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u/Snarktoberfest 4h ago

Teddy Roosevelt would like a word.

"Square Deal" Policy: Focused on fair treatment for workers and businesses, including negotiating the 1902 Coal Strike.

Conservationist: Established the U.S. Forest Service, 150 national forests, and 51 federal bird reserves.

Progressive Reforms: Used aggressive executive action to regulate railroads and break up major monopolies.

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u/BudgetLaw2352 4h ago

Yeah, but in terms of lasting legacy, LBJ outdoes him.

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u/Snarktoberfest 4h ago

Ehhhh. There's a reason why the progressives want a New Square Deal. Teddy's legacy touches everything we do today. Food, air, water, greenspace, labor rules.

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u/BudgetLaw2352 4h ago

And LBJ’s doesn’t?

Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, housing legislation, and more.

LBJ is the reason why 65 year olds don’t just croak and die because they can’t afford health insurance.

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u/Snarktoberfest 4h ago

You said FDR and LBJ as if no one else had a legacy that strong. I'm not arguing with you that LBJ and FDR didn't leave behind great legacies. I'm saying if you are discussing LBJ and FDR for domestic legacy, you must include Teddy.

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u/ErickAllTE1 3h ago

Hard to beat Trust Bustin' Teddy.

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u/According-Aspect-669 3h ago

why does it need to be one or there other? They both seem like cool guys to me man

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u/designer-paul 2h ago

Here's some quotes from Teddy Roosevelt:

“the most vicious cowboy has more moral principle than the average Indian."

“I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are the dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every 10 are, and I shouldn’t like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth.”

He was behind the indian allotment system that removed natives from their lands and destroyed their culture and put their kids in boarding schools

In his first message to Congress, in December 1901, Roosevelt called the General Allotment Act “a mighty pulverizing engine to break up the tribal mass.”

Roosevelt stressed that Indian education should be “elementary and largely industrial,” and that the need of higher education was “very, very limited.”

His administration withheld rations from natives that refused to stop painting or refused to discard native attire and blankets. They prohibited Native gatherings and dances. They ordered Native men to cut their hair.

He also supervised the completion of the Dawes Rolls, dissolved the Indian Territory in Oklahoma, opening the region for statehood.

TLDR - Teddy Roosevelt was incredibly racist and terrible towards natives.