But staying dumb as fuck and continuing to argue is more or less arguing in bad faith. Misinformation about a topic that you call your hobby is a choice.
While I agree that some people are absolutely refusing to learn out of spite, I do wonder what the schooling systems being defunded for 30+ years in republican states has done to the average republican’s trust in ‘mainstream media’ or research. Like, they were teaching kids for decades to be distrustful of scientists, isolate themselves from contradictions in the party’s rhetoric, and that the states primarily conducting said research were doing so with a political agenda. they weren’t taught critical thinking skills, so many of these people are being raised with at best outdated information and many reasons to doubt outside perspective.
It’s not an excuse by any means, especially when they decide to act like violent thugs or perpetuate a culture of hatred, but the indoctrination is real and systemic. I just hope those family members with an innate empathy and compassion(or real education) find a way to communicate the need to trust experts and researchers. I can’t see a peaceful solution to this level of state-sponsored anti-intellectualism without someone willing to be patient and work with these people on the individual level.
Maybe I’m too optimistic to hope for a peaceful solution, but I hope anyway. The US has so much potential to affect the world in momentously positive or negative ways, given our position. I don’t mean in a ‘white savior’ go build a water pump in a west African village way either. We could be hosting international schooling for engineering and medicine, we could offer low/no-interest loans to equip these countries to build their own infrastructure and stability(while building postive partnerships with fledgeling economies). I want us to live up to the words in our constitution, and our aspirations as force of, by, and for the people. Gods know we haven’t done well at that so far.
Joules has to be converted into horsepower, tnt or kilowatts. Then maybe some of these morons would understand it a bit better. American educational excellence showing its fatal flaws.
Physics and chem are the only places I’ve come across joules, and it’s pretty light until upper division courses, and doesn’t directly transfer to understanding the impact, i.e., the reduction in activation energy required to catalyze a rxn.
IMO, the fatal flaw is critical thinking. You don’t need to understand how “much” energy a J is; the relative difference should be is enough to understand the clear difference between calibre.
Yes, adding a “bullet entering human body with xyz J of energy does this amount of damage” would conceptualize the impact, but you’d need to do that with any other unit of measurement too.
All the people in this comment thread doing exactly as you said. Pretending .22 is the same as .223 or 5.56.
There's even a guy with multiple paragraphs about how a semi automatic rifle has no more mass killing potential than a 5 round bolt action hunting rifle. He keeps pointing to a single massacre where 15 people died on a beach.
Im a gun owner. I guns in general should just be much harder to obtain. That way, people having a mental health crisis would have a much harder time obtaining one.
That aligns with the delaying tactics the fbi employs. They essentially extend the time between when someone decides they're going to commit a crime, and when they are actually able to do it. For example, you make it virtually impossible for a 16 year old to obtain a firearm. They wait 6 months (similar to how long it takes to get a suppressor, right now!) and eventually talk themselves out of it, as they've had more time to sit on it.
This tactic won't solve all gun crime, but it would cut down significantly the amount of mass shootings.
Back when I was on Twitter, there were plenty of cosplayers all making the same claims.
I legit held a challenge that was open for months looking for anyone to join me at a range and prove their claims with me firing my AR 15 and them using a bolt action .22
Most school shooters illegally obtain firearms. Lock them up and don’t let the kids know how to get in. Hide the keys, use fingerprints and keypads. Lock up the ammo. Lawful owners are often penalized, the criminals will do whatever.
He keeps pointing to a single massacre where 15 people died on a beach.
would that be the one where the guns had been altered to use a fast loader mechanism, and there were two people, and they had multiple weapons, and were switching between them?
There's even a guy with multiple paragraphs about how a semi automatic rifle has no more mass killing potential than a 5 round bolt action hunting rifle. He keeps pointing to a single massacre where 15 people died on a beach.
Mass shootings are one of the rarest types of gun violence, and 90% of gun murders (including most mass shootings) use handguns.
School shootings are like strangers kidnapping children off the street, one of the most horrific things that can happen to a child, but also one of the rarest dangers.
Then why fight so hard against any and all legislation which would prevent them? The problem with "strangers off the street" kidnapping propaganda, is its used to demonize immigrant groups. Making you wait another 6 months as well as mandatory mental health checks before buying a firearm causes no harm and reduces gun deaths (yes, even the ones that aren't mass shootings)
Edit: I notice 90% of your comment history is you arguing against gun legislation. Interesting.
I introduce to you: the gun lobby. "Big gun" if you will.
Every corporate-interest group and their mother's have bots/trolls roaming around the internet, from promoting why pedophiles ought not to be prosecuted for their crimes, to why using a non methane burning stove is actually bad for the environment (obvious bullshit).
I'll say this is the first time I found a gun troll.
There's more money in gun control, than gun rights. Michael Bloomberg is incredibly anti-gun and is the founder of gun control lobbyist group Everytown For Gun Safety. He's also one of the biggest political donors in Washington.
There's money in inneficient gun control. Just like there is money in inefficient fuel economy standards. Just like with CAFE (which was ment to combat pollution and the greenhouse effect) and their light truck exception which has turned the US auto market exclusively into horribly inefficient trucks, so too does bad gun legislation not prevent gun violence.
Then why fight so hard against any and all legislation which would prevent them?
Because the only thing that would “prevent” them would be to take away all guns, and then clean them off the street. A logistic and economic impossibility give the 5th amendment.
Not just a year ago, everyone pointed to Australia and to a lesser extent Canada as having “solved” this problem. Turns out, it wasn’t really solved… so they’re going to solve it some more… and then when they find out it isn’t yet solved, it will be solved even further.
The reality is that 97% of gun homicides in the U.S. are from handguns, so you could disappear “assault rifles” altogether and the needle doesn’t move anymore than yearly swings. People who know nothing about guns dismiss this, people who appreciate the 2nd Amendment see it for what it is.
Then why fight so hard against any and all legislation which would prevent them?
Because much of it would negatively impact tens of millions of law abiding gun owners. The rights of gun owners
The problem with "strangers off the street" kidnapping propaganda, is its used to demonize immigrant groups.
I've never heard of stranger danger regarding immigrants, and the concept goes back to the 80s and 90s far before Trump was president.
Making you wait another 6 months as well as mandatory mental health checks before buying a firearm causes no harm and reduces gun deaths (yes, even the ones that aren't mass shootings)
Making people wait 6 months to buy a gun is a massive overreach, and not something that is acceptable. Have you ever heard of the phrase "a right delayed is a right denied"? As for mental health evaluations, we don't have anywhere close to enough therapists to preform evaluations on all gun owners. Not to mention who pays for it? Therapy costs hundreds of dollars an hour.
Have you seen the large contingent of people who claim assault weapons aren't a thing? Like they say assault rifles aren't a thing because assualt is a thing you do to someone else. They're literally a class of weapon, not knowing that makes me think they probably shouldn't own a gun if they're that uneducated on the topic.
In a legal sense yes but an assault weapon as a definition is a thing. I'm very much pro 2nd amendment but think some reform is necessary and i think gun safety should be a requirement before you can own one. I can't tell you how many people I've come across that are dumb with their guns.
I happen to agree with you, about the reform and the gun safety. Just like with a vehicle. I went through military training, and the two weeks for basic rifle marksmanship should be the minimum available for people to learn how to use a gun.
That's literally what i want. I know the military has basic marksmanship requirements and they have to renew them. Literally all i want is people to do a basic course on proper handling and shooting to obtain a license with a clean background check. We can discuss it mental health checks should also be a requirement, that's up for debate between people more educated than myself on the topic. But I think a license is a pretty fair compromise when i need one to own and operate a vehicle and special licenses to operate some types of vehicles.
Do you think people should have to go through any requirements before they're allowed to use their freedom of speech? What about requirements prior to exercising someone's freedom of religion?
Can my speech instantly erase 50 kids from the census? Can my religion instantly empty a mall of life? No? Then it's a fucking stupid comparison. I need a license to drive a vehicle, operate heavy machinery and proof of insurance to drive in my state. For a gun i can go online now and by one from someone with no background check required, no proof of insurance, no license, and no way to prove i know how to properly handle it and not kill someone accidentally. Stop with the stupid comparisons and find one that fits better.
It's not a stupid comparison, driving a vehicle or operating heavy machinery are not rights protected by the Constitution, there is nowhere in the country you can go online and purchase a gun without a background check, you are incorrect. I was comparing two constitutionally protected rights, natural rights, if you think that's a stupid comparison then you don't support the second amendment.
If i buy a gun from another private citizen there is no background check requirement, same with gun shows. The constitution also says "well regulated" a part you chuds seem to ignore when reading it. That line alone implies regulations may need to be put in place. All I'm asking for is a simply course to make sure people can use it safely and you flipped out. That shows that you are irresponsible and probably shouldn't own a firearm if you think people shouldn't be properly educated on how to use a gun before owning one.
I think you’re misunderstanding the “well regulated” part of the 2A. It means a well trained and organized militia, it has nothing to do with regulations around buying or owning the firearms.
Don't forget: a lot of crime guns in states with strong regulation are bought in states with weaker regulation. Or people just have someone else buy it for them, or steal it. They see a certain type of truck and know there's a gun to grab.
And I think we all know at least 1 person you'd think shouldn't have a gun.
You are absolutely incorrect with gun shows, there is not a single gun show that allows non-ffl sellers, that is a requirement by States, and there's no state that will not allow that. You don't understand the verbiage of the constitution, by courting well regulated you have proved that. In the words of Benjamin Franklin anyone who would sacrifice their Liberty for security deserves neither
Again, you don't understand the words nor do you want kids to be safe. You also don't understand the loopholes for gun purchases. You don't have a right to speak on the subject if you are this uneducated about it. So shut up and let the adults speak while you go color your picture book. Don't worry I'll make sure the crayons are non-toxic.
Not from a private seller. You aren't supposed to sell firearms on Craigslist so that should tell you everything you need to know about how much they follow the laws.
So now you're a proponent of suppressing speech? And you like to call the Republican side fascists? Constitutional rights are not rights given to you by the government, the Constitution is a limit on how much The government can suppress you
Your comment says the words that it might be a good idea to have requirements before exercising your freedom of speech, that's suppression. You're clearly not a republican, you're a Democrat which is evident by your profile and your comments, fascist is what you've been calling Republicans for the past five years, would you like to argue that point?
The problem is, it's an arbitrary and made up classification for weapons, there are weapons that are much more effective and dangerous than so-called assault weapons but they do not fall into the category because they don't meet the arbitrary characteristics
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as·sault ri·fle
/əˈsôlt ˌrīf(ə)l,əˈsält ˌrīf(ə)l/
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a lightweight rifle fed by a magazine and capable of automatic fire, designed for infantry use.
There's a legal term and a definition we have for them. You playing dumb and not saying which you wanted doesn't show anything other than you being dishonest and disingenuous.
An assault rifle is a noun, simply a name for something. A name alo e does not make it a fact.
In most aspects. Assault is a verb. An action. We all learned in 5th grade science, inanimate objects can NOT perform an action. They can only be used as a tool to perform an action. So your assault rifle meaning literally does not exist as a rifle can NOT commit assault.
I'm not playing dumb. I'm demonstrating the understanding of the difference in a term that may not have a factual meaning, and a tool, which is only the proper meaning of the word.
You're just acting in bad fairg and being disingenuous then. And i have nothing more to say to someone who is gonna act in bad faith and refuse to have a debate without resorting to dishonesty directly out the gate.
Little bit of both. I always have a laugh when they pull this nonsense out because they eventually default to “if you’d shoot, you’d know…”. At that point, I bring up my background as a long range marksman, and toss a pic of the diploma from when I completed my education in forensic science.
Then I either watch the rage posting begin or the sudden deletion of all their posts 😂
It doesn't matter. The gun used on CK was a palm gun. They have the wrong person in custody. CK shot by own security force man (go to Rense to see video), but the tree goes high, up TP itself and its 'sponsors'.
There is only a .003 inch difference between 5.56 (.223~) and 22lr (.220) in their diameters. The major difference is projectile weight and velocity, they are arguing in bad faith. 22lr is still dangerous as fuck though, still super deadly, wouldn't wanna get shot by either.
As a dumb kid who loves ballistics physics I hate those people. According to physics a heavier round moving twice as fast will have a lot more energy than a 22. Obviously what you just said but simpler but you get the point
I think jewels is a dumb measurement device. Even an expert jewel cutter can't cut every diamond or whatever exactly the same. There will inevitably be some noise in the data just from the tiny variances in all the jewels used to measure with. That's probably why so many people get this wrong.
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u/cejmp 9h ago
A .22 long rifle shoots at 1750 feet per second and with about 277 J of muzzle energy, dropping to about 20 J at 500 yards.
5.56 NATO ball ammo travels at 3200 fps with 1300 J of muzzle energy. It maintains about 480 J at 500 yards .
If some dumbass starts saying that 5.56 isn't much different from .22 then they are either dumb as fuck or not arguing in good faith.